Dark Penitant wrote...
I hear you. I really hear you, and hell, I actually agree to a limited extent. But that's also not what I'm arguing. It's not a question of free will at all. I -also- think that the other endings are extremely problematic on numerous levels, but neither the control nor destroy endings directly violate bodily sovereignty, for reasons I'll explain later (and yes I know I'm using the word like a high schooler who just discovered it out of a dictionary xD, but it is important).
A problem here is that you assume Starchild is telling the truth; I've made no such assumption. Perhaps he is, in which case I'm just pissed at Bioware for screwing up an ending worse than ToB, and if he isn't, then Synthesis is possibly the most dangerous of endings, besides being a horrific act of forcing innocents against their will.
Another issue that you are forgetting is that the relays are rendered useless in all the endings, so choice there is immaterial, but in addition consent isn't actually an issue there. All bodily sovereignty dictates is the right to refuse to let our bodies be altered or used without our consent.
So really, it's not the lack of free will, though I believe that's a very valid critique given the lack of validation concerning Starchild's motivations and general veracity, but it's more the inherent issue in the alteration process itself. By the very fact of alteration in the first place, trillions of people have their bodies altered, even potentially without impact, without their consent. That, to me, is far worse than any other option. This is not to say any of the other endings are necessarily much better, but I personally simply find the Synthesis endings so morally repulsive that it's hard for me to stomach seeing it as a valid option.
The Mass Relays aren't really made useless overall in the control Ending. They aren't destroyed in the other two and that could mean arguably that they still work. I am also not ignoring the fact that they aren't working anymore. they are in fact a corner piece to several of my arguments against Destroy.
And since you wish to continue this argument I will point this out. You have no proof that there wasn't the ability to somehow consent to what was done and those that changed in fact did actually in some form subconciously or whatever accept and choose to change. In which case any of those that didn't choose to change would be wiped out. Ironically being wiped out is a very real potential for both of the other endings as well. Your argueing lack of consent to what happens to them in the ending but you can't in any way prove that it takes place. You just adamantly stand on this point with no backing evidence or two theory. Just your argument that it is wrong. Wrong is subjective. By your argument you better throw fits at your next cold and the person that passed it to you because believe it or not do to that cold you have undergone a biological change. albeit a small one from that exposure. Your throwing around Bodily Sovereignty like a flag that suggests you may have other issues really but the basis of your argument for what it is it's already violated quite regularly whether you admit to it or accept it or not.
To me the synthesis ending is the one ending that is least likely and least plausibly dooming entire species and planets after the war and to death whether quickly or more Slowly. As in the Reapers being quickly in the destroy ending and the inevitable fallout being the slow way for a great many people BECAUSE the Mass Relays don't work and the FTL trips alone would be extra hazardous given the limited resources as well as the possibilities of some of these different species staying on planets together or on devestated planets where it's going to be decades before population sustaining resources are tapped into once again or regrown.
And I'm sorry but the more I look at it and the more I see things the Control ending when you boil it down to a realistic basis. It's the one end that changes nothing. The Reaper threat is still there. The galaxy just doesn't know why they will come back anymore Could be never could be something great or could be something small all dependant on Shepard as an AI control system for the Reapers themselves.. The intermingling system is still there. The galaxy still sits upon a dangerous precipes and a great possibility of making the exact mistakes that the starchild warns about whether telling the truth or lieing... and if he's lieing it's also the ending that means the most quickly that the reapers will indeed return and finish their work even though your promised that it won't actually happen.
I'm still going to prefer synthesis. Even if it's a change without consent considering the Galaxy as a whole makes those kinds of choices all the time and even other people do. Sometimes totally without being aware of it really themselves. You are actually affecting people without your consent every time you go to work or interact with others simply with a cold. And some people don't realize that when they interact with you even knowing you have a cold.
Cancer causing elements are another way that one person can and often does affect the other without their real consent. Some such sources are natural. some sources are actually through the cause of other human beings. some of them in rather underhanded ways. Cancer in a way is a fundamental change to your DNA with or without your knowledge and usually for the worse not for the better.
Social and Psychological stressors are another thing that actually can affect a person biologically and often in adverse ways that often are not asked for or wanted but tend to happen daily. Some from situations that people cannot just remove themselves from. Some not even realizing what it is doing to them or their health.
Your argueing a fundamental change on the basis that it changes you without your giving permission for it but the reality is that by living and interacting with others your often subjected to such things but your complaint is about one that doesn't necessarily change your mind. doesn't necessarily come without your consent by what we are shown, and doesn't necessarily come with adverse affects and might likely come with advantages simply because you can't choose to do it.
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