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[Sam Anders]

She says the cutscenes for the ending are the same but not the story.

****ing what? The cutscenes should show the story then.

[bleetman]

"@ReanKnopke @NicolaiAntonov uh they did not go through a Mass Relay - the one in the sol system is WAY too far away!"

...Then... why were they...

...

Hnnnnnngh.

[GreyhameBioware]

There's a lot of non-answers there.

[Zolt51]

Haters... they gonna hate.

At least she's trying to answer the complaints.

For those who haven't gotten the gist of it:
No there isn't any plan to change the ending as of now. They had never considered before that it might need changing.

That might still change but  you're looking at a development process of at least 6 months if it were to start now.

Modifié par Zolt51, 16 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[TeffexPope]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

I've never been able to understand Twitter stuff. I think I'm just becoming a grumbly old man. Has anyone ever given any useful information on Twitter? Grumble grumble.

I feel the same way

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Syrellaris wrote...

KorPhaeron wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

 then why are you in a spoilers forum?

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options.

Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it.

If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency.

As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swollow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.

Why waste my time ?

Or you are just trying to create chaos like everyone else is that does not like the endings. As there are plenty of us that do like the endings and believe they make perfect sense. Which they do. Your choices during the three games are reflected back at you and you weigh them down in your final solution.

If you had payed serious attention to the story and delved in deep, like I hope many people did, then you would have known why this ending makes sense.

Here let me break it down for you.

1) Synthetic life gets created by organics to serve them and make there lifes happier. When this goes awry, the synthetic life forms manage to gain some sort of VI intelligence and become a swarm. This swarm gets tired of being slaves and rebels.

You see this with the quarions and the Geth. Legion even explains it to you in ME2 and ME3. He also explains why it happened and what his solution to it is. He even goes as far as applying his solution or trying to at least. This one of your major plot choices. Effect is shown inmediatly.

2) The fallen reaper even explains it in detail, though cryptic. You (as shepard) do not understand the complexity of the issue and why they are doing it. YOu get this explained later on in the citadel by the catalyst.

He explains it very carefully that synthetics will in the end, always rebel against the ones that made them and do to there superiority, will win the war against the organic life forms.

The solution to this was creating a hybrid. This is what the reapers are. They are organic / synthetic hybrids. As he explains you are partially synthetic. A cyborg if you will.

3) The three choices are exactly that. The destruction option resets the cycle. Organics stay alive and all synthetic life forms die out. It is now up to the organic lifeforms to ensure that future generations will not make the mistake of creating synthetic life. Which they will and the cycle repeats.

The Control option is a balanced solution. You gain control of the reapers and thus can keep them away from organic life for good. The decided outcome is simple. If you united the Geth and Quarians. They are your proof they can live together. but for how long? Are they up for it?

the Neutral option or..Synthesize is an option you take when you believe organic and synthetic can life together with forced materials. fusing Synthetic and organic DNA. A new life string as the cataclyst explained it. You are the living proof of how that works out.

If you payed attention to the storyline, you know Cerberus revived you using Reaper tech. Hence why you are classified by the catalyst as partially Synthetic. Why? The videolog showed it. the doctors purely said that with everything they had there disposal they cannot revive you as you are clinically brain dead. Yet Lawson found a way.

The first problem is the the catalyst himself disproves the theory that all AI will wipeout all organics.  Since the reapers spare all non advanced races, he is an AI, that does not wipeout all organic life.  Thus, his conclusion that all synthetics will wipeout all organics is flawed before he ever puts his "solution" in motion.  Infinitely intelligent and anchient AIs should not be written so poorly.

[shamE12]

Be patient.

Modifié par shamE12, 16 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[The Angry One]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

Well, anyway, she just linked directly to the hallucination thread.

As an example of fan theory and imagination no doubt.
Because that's what I paid BioWare for, to speculate that it was all a dream because the ending tells me nothing.

[Almostfaceman]

Dybia wrote...

UnbornLeviathan wrote...

  "It totally didn't end the same for everyone. Similar cut scenes do not equal same endings."

https://twitter.com/...493962228928512 

**** it, I'm out.

Yeah, I didn't pay $60 for them to tell me, "Ok here's the first 80%. Now you finish the rest with your-"

More like $180 not counting DLC counting all three games. Part of the reason for the rage is this is the capper to three games, not one.

[Noatz]

People were already writing fanfiction and making up head canon as soon as they finished the game. These tweets are effectively a tacit admission that the ending failed to provide adequate resolution since she is actively endorsing it.

[Duskfire]

I do feel dorry for her though. Shes just a community manager isnt she? I cant imagine she has much input in the scheme of things; just attempting damage control, which is part of her job. No win situation really; if she says nothing she gets criticised, but she cant say anything of worth or give inside information either.

[SecElit3]

This tweet right here got my attention

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@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red =




In reply to Swag Ali

See the wink

Modifié par SecElit3, 16 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Almostfaceman]

Duskfire wrote...

I do feel dorry for her though. Shes just a community manager isnt she? I cant imagine she has much input in the scheme of things; just attempting damage control, which is part of her job. No win situation really; if she says nothing she gets criticised, but she cant say anything of worth or give inside information either.

I believe we should be respectful, but I don't feel sorry for her. I've been in customer service, and it's in the job descriptions to deal with unhappy customers. She's getting paid to do so.

[Tequila Man]

The Angry One wrote...

How should I put this....

THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF TIMES I COULD BANG MY HEAD AGAINST THE TABLE THAT WOULD RESULT IN ME IMAGINING ANY KIND OF ENDING DIFFERENT FROM THE SINGLE BLEAK, TRI-COLOURED NON ENDING WE GOT. EVER.

Sometimes, I think Angry One should just post for all of us.

[jimmyw404]

Actinguy1 wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Someone with a public twitter account please tweet her that 90% is not an arbitrary number, it's based on polling a sample size of around 50,000 people.

I'm on the side of those enraged by the ending, but this is not a scientific poll.  It's what's called a "self-selecting sample."  It's a sample of the sort of person who goes onto a gaming website and votes on the ending.  For a scientific sample, they would have to (for example) randomly call at least 1,000 people who bought ME3 and ask them about the ending.  (1000 is a generally accepted sample size in the scientific community, provided that you truly are choosing participants randomly.)

The standard error of the sample size is probably very small given that the reaction is nearly unanimous.

After all, even 1 out of 10 Dentists say that brushing doesn't prevent cavities ;')

[Quietness]

Tequila Man wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

How should I put this....

THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF TIMES I COULD BANG MY HEAD AGAINST THE TABLE THAT WOULD RESULT IN ME IMAGINING ANY KIND OF ENDING DIFFERENT FROM THE SINGLE BLEAK, TRI-COLOURED NON ENDING WE GOT. EVER.

Sometimes, I think Angry One should just post for all of us.

Seriously keep quoting them over and over.

[Duskfire]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Duskfire wrote...

I do feel dorry for her though. Shes just a community manager isnt she? I cant imagine she has much input in the scheme of things; just attempting damage control, which is part of her job. No win situation really; if she says nothing she gets criticised, but she cant say anything of worth or give inside information either.

I believe we should be respectful, but I don't feel sorry for her. I've been in customer service, and it's in the job descriptions to deal with unhappy customers. She's getting paid to do so.

Well I am in customer service, so maybe thats why I do Because sometimes, no matter what, people are unhappy and there is literally nothing you can do. And in this case, she would have had nothing to do with the finished product, yet she is the one trying to keep it together so to speak.

[Savber100]

SecElit3 wrote...

This tweet right here got my attention

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@SwagAli how? Blue = Saran/TIM etc. Green = Singularity Red =




In reply to Swag Ali

See the wink

RED= WHAT?!!

TELL ME BIOWARE! 

[SecElit3]

This one:

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@ReanKnopke @mcderose I don't think anything you saw/read/heard today should make you sad about the endings. Some theories still hold true.

[In Exile]

Syrellaris wrote...
1) Synthetic life gets created by organics to serve them and make there lifes happier. When this goes awry, the synthetic life forms manage to gain some sort of VI intelligence and become a swarm. This swarm gets tired of being slaves and rebels.

You see this with the quarions and the Geth. Legion even explains it to you in ME2 and ME3. He also explains why it happened and what his solution to it is. He even goes as far as applying his solution or trying to at least. This one of your major plot choices. Effect is shown inmediatly.

Except you totally don't see this with the Geth.

You are literally shown the Geth not understading why the Quarians decide to engage in outright genocide against them. Then, when the Geth have the option to exterminate all of the Quarians, they don't. Then, the Geth isolate each themselves beyond the Veil, and build a Dyson Sphere where they can achieve a singularity and be left alone.

The only geth that ever try to kill organics are the ones that Sovereign shows up to and says "Yo, check it, you can totally be like me if you kill all the organics." So basically, the only AI we actually see trying to kill anyone is AI that Sovereign convinced to try to kill us. 

2) The fallen reaper even explains it in detail, though cryptic. You (as shepard) do not understand the complexity of the issue and why they are doing it. YOu get this explained later on in the citadel by the catalyst.

He explains it very carefully that synthetics will in the end, always rebel against the ones that made them and do to there superiority, will win the war against the organic life forms.

Saying "it will totally happen every time" isn't an explanation. It's a statement. Hell, it's not even a statement backed up by evidence.

The solution to this was creating a hybrid. This is what the reapers are. They are organic / synthetic hybrids. As he explains you are partially synthetic. A cyborg if you will.

Actually, that's not what Magic Space God Child says. It says the solution is to constantly kill of all organics that could make AI and turn them into Reaper slurpee.

Modifié par In Exile, 16 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Zolt51]

Sam Anders wrote...

She says the cutscenes for the ending are the same but not the story.

****ing what? The cutscenes should show the story then.

That's just not practical. You'd need hundreds of different cutscenes. For most of your choices, you already know what you have bought with them: A future for the Krogan, a new homeworld for the Quarians and so on, saved Miranda, saved Mordin. You don't need to be shown that again. The only big question mark is the fate of your crew, except for those who are shown in the Normandy cutscene (and how did they even get there?)

Modifié par Zolt51, 16 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[pavi132]

Zolt51 wrote...

Haters... they gonna hate.

At least she's trying to answer the complaints.

For those who haven't gotten the gist of it:
No there isn't any plan to change the ending as of now. They had never considered before that it might need changing.

That might still change but  you're looking at a development process of at least 6 months if it were to start now.

She is probably doing more harm than good, honestly.

[Athro]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

Qutayba wrote...

To be honest, how can they plan anything when they have to spend all their time and energy writing upbeat tweets in response to the Twitter bombs?

...because they employ a number of different people with substantially different job descriptions...

There's a really common statement in writing - if it isn't shown, it didn't happen. If nothing proves or raises enough of a reason to imply that The Catalyst/Starchild lied - then we have to assume that he didn't lie.

Now it could be suggested that the "Shepard lives" shot is showing he lied - except that it doesn't really show enough to prove this and the Starchild only says "you might die."

It's bad writing because as others have said - it neither shows nor tells, it just skirts around trying to be mysterious and open to interpretation.

As for following her twitter? I'm not really interested in a stream of coy deflections instead of straight answers. That's what made me grumpy about the endings in the first place.

[xeNNN]

i swear she's playing us.......

shes like a female harbinger... assuming direct control via twitter djkfl;ksajdf;lkajsd 

cant tell if shes actually hinting at something or not

trying to take it with a pinch of salt but yeah.

Modifié par xeNNN, 16 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[shamE12]

She just asked someone to link her to this thread. Jesus christ this is turning me into a stalker.