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#176
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Savber100 wrote...

@Latent_Grandeur Also both valid interpretations. Wonder why more people aren't speculating it's another part of Earth?

HUH.... >.>

That's an interesting point. Was there anything to disprove that this wasn't a part of Earth that was still untouched?

The reapers generally went for the big cities.


Because I'm like 99% sure I remember this right, but there are 2 moons in the background of the shot.

And even then if not and it is earth 

well that makes it like...10 times worse.

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KorPhaeron wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

 then why are you in a spoilers forum?

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan


I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options.

Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it.

If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency.

As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swollow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.

Why waste my time ?


That is a real deep analysis and quite similar to the reactions we got from Bioware till now. But that  doesn't change our goal or diminish our resolve.  Each passing time where they play Marketing, they get more and more customers who are angry with the ending.  Soo in the matter of time, the storm won't pass but it will only grow bigger.

You know what I learned from the last couple of years about games and the attitude of their publishers ?
1. Don't ever trust the hype, it will only crush you when you hit the reality
2. Stand up for your enjoyment and product you paid for because others won't.

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Yeah bros, the Earth totally gained a second moon.

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nightShadex wrote...

KorPhaeron wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

 then why are you in a spoilers forum?

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan


I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options.

Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it.

If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency.

As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swollow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.

Why waste my time ?


I feel as this quote needs to be saved and used later, for when we are in the final stretch of this thing. I just can't let them win. We can't back down.
Hold.the.line.


Just so people understand, the above quote isnt mine, its from a great guy on BSN that I respect

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She just mentioned something about how the identity of Stargazer can be found in the credits. Did anyone look into this?

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Brahlis wrote...

Yeah bros, the Earth totally gained a second moon.

:wizard:SPACE MAGIC:wizard:

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M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

She just mentioned something about how the identity of Stargazer can be found in the credits. Did anyone look into this?


buzz aldrin

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Brahlis wrote...

Yeah bros, the Earth totally gained a second moon.


sweet

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Fl1xx wrote...

xeNNN wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

How should I put this....

THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF TIMES I COULD BANG MY HEAD AGAINST THE TABLE THAT WOULD RESULT IN ME IMAGINING ANY KIND OF ENDING DIFFERENT FROM THE SINGLE BLEAK, TRI-COLOURED NON ENDING WE GOT. EVER.


Sometimes, I think Angry One should just post for all of us.


this. 

he/she is the embodiment of our anger i swear lol.

Prothy is the avatar of Vengence.

Shepard is the avatar of Victory.

TAO is the avatar of Anger.


I DEMAND A COSPLAY

#185
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hex23 wrote...

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To me, these tweets boil down to the following sentiment:

"The endings are whatever you imagine them to be.  If you think it was all a hallucination, then it was!  Congrats, you figured it out, you smart person you."

She says this, and Bioware doesn't have to do anything more than state, "Yep, there are many interpretations of the ending, each equally valid.  Making a new ending DLC would invalidate some of these creative, thoughtful interpretations, so we have decided not to do that."

I think it'll turn out that we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot by coming up with a theory makes far more sense than what the writers originally intended. 


Uh....that's not what she's saying at all. She's heavily hinted at indoctrination theory specifically. Over and over. For like 3-4 days. Nonstop.

How anyone could read her tweets and think "lolz she isn't telling us anyhing" is staggering.

Because she isn't telling us anything other than "If it's what you believe happened, it's what happened!"

It's PR. Stop falling for the trap. It's solely meant to force complacency. Hold the line.

Modifié par Fl1xx, 16 mars 2012 - 04:26 .


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Yes, there were two moons. From her tweets it is sounding like the reasons for Joker's exodus got cut somewhere, or just never fully fleshed out. I never recall hearing a comm message to retreat. I think she's grasping at straws too because its her job and it would look even worse for Bioware if their own employees publicly had no idea how the game ended either.

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LotharanAeron wrote...

Yes, there were two moons. From her tweets it is sounding like the reasons for Joker's exodus got cut somewhere, or just never fully fleshed out. I never recall hearing a comm message to retreat. I think she's grasping at straws too because its her job and it would look even worse for Bioware if their own employees publicly had no idea how the game ended either.


when u get up from harbinger lazering your ass you hear major coats call for a retreat after saying noone made it to the beam.  

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I've always wondered why people keep saying Joker went through the relay. It never shows it, why would people assume he did?

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Because you see energy in the form of a single straight beam chasing them Tietj
The same beam that you see a relay fire off seconds before as it explodes

Modifié par Walrusninja, 16 mars 2012 - 04:27 .


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Almostfaceman wrote...

Now she's saying that the Normandy didn't go through the relay and that the Normandy is on some planet within regular FTL range of Earth. What? She also keeps asking for a link on the 12 light years a day codex entry...


I think it's actually not codex but dialogue... last I heard, it was a line by Ashley in the first game.

Not sure though.  It's on the wiki, anyway.

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Fl1xx wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Marta Rio II wrote...

To me, these tweets boil down to the following sentiment:

"The endings are whatever you imagine them to be.  If you think it was all a hallucination, then it was!  Congrats, you figured it out, you smart person you."

She says this, and Bioware doesn't have to do anything more than state, "Yep, there are many interpretations of the ending, each equally valid.  Making a new ending DLC would invalidate some of these creative, thoughtful interpretations, so we have decided not to do that."

I think it'll turn out that we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot by coming up with a theory makes far more sense than what the writers originally intended. 


Uh....that's not what she's saying at all. She's heavily hinted at indoctrination theory specifically. Over and over. For like 3-4 days. Nonstop.

How anyone could read her tweets and think "lolz she isn't telling us anyhing" is staggering.

Because she isn't telling us anything other than "If it's what you believe happened, it's what happened!"

It's PR.


Yep.  It's also quite possible she dislikes the endings and wants to ride the indoctrination theory train to satisfaction city with the rest of us.  Doesn't mean that we're going to get DLC that canonizes it.

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 16 mars 2012 - 04:27 .


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Ashilana wrote...

There are people who are okay with a being claiming to be all powerful and all knowing... and not questioning what it tells them to do.     Scary people.


Yep I know that (however I happen to be one of them but that irrelevent) but that is Faith and Belief. What did Starbrat do to instill that kind of belief in Shepard?

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I think She means that stargazer is voiced by Buzz Aldrin

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some of you are being rather rude to this woman.


It's ok to dislike/hate the endings but calling her an idiot just makes us all look immature.

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Tietj wrote...

I've always wondered why people keep saying Joker went through the relay. It never shows it, why would people assume he did?

Because the blue whisps around the rear of the ship has been, for the last three games, the animation for Mass Relay travel?

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Brahlis wrote...

Yeah bros, the Earth totally gained a second moon.


atleast our first moon has a friend now :') :wub:

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xeNNN wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

Yeah bros, the Earth totally gained a second moon.


atleast our first moon has a friend now :') :wub:


A lot of people have theorized we had a second moon at some point.

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If their idea of "discussing the ending" with the community is "use your imagination", I would literally prefer them to just leave it alone.

Modifié par Meltemph, 16 mars 2012 - 04:34 .


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Don't worry guys. Space Hamster lives!