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[Judah Ben Hur]

Here I was thinking you were bound to make a crack about the ending discriminating between the three additive primary colors. I can't say that I was expecting this.

Some advice in future: don't invoke so much hyperbolic language, and use less space. It gets to be arduous to read when every person with an inkling in their head writes a book about Mass Effect 3's ending on the forums.

[Tequila Man]

SandTrout wrote...

Hey, if they wanted the ending to be open to interpretation, this seems perfectly valid to me.

Okay, it's official. You and Angry One need to stop beating me to the punch.

[Prumand]

Well, that just turned my world upside down..

Assuming Control...

[Voidster]

The reapers? Racist!? No no no never no well a bit, ya a bit i mean they do nit pick civilizations apart and harvest the ones that might actually do something to them.

[Lost Cipher]

It kind of makes sense.

[Sawtooth357]

I'm racist. Humans are a blight on galactic purity. <points to random forum member> You sir, you are a blight. And you....and YOU human.

[Zine2]

Well, "it's just a game" is a valid criticism of my post.

But even then, we all know that's not true. Gaming as an industry has long been trying to get itself recognized as art, and therefore it is also a commentary on the real world.

If you make a work of art (i.e. a story or novel) that glorifies racism and genocide, then you should expect to get criticized. And as I've outlined, the ME3 ending DOES condone genocide, and the Catalyst's premise was entirely racist - dividing peoples along Organic/Synthetic lines.

Mass Effect as a series has been (wrongly) criticized before for promoting same-sex relationships and immorality that was simply not true. However, this time they really dropped the ball. Bad writing does not excuse the fact that the Catalyst's justifications were essentially racist and attempts to condone genocide; and that Mac Walters and Casey Hudson made it so that you cannot question it as part of a definitive ending.

[NPH11]

@KustomDeluxe

Agreed. After spending time breaking down racial barriers and bringing races together despite their differences, forcing galactic homogenization seemed like a strange and somewhat horrific move.

[nevar00]

You're right, however I don't feel as if Mass Effect 3 made the AI kid to be sympathetic or reasonable. It's not like they tried to justify his ideas as anything good.

I do agree though that you should be able to argue with him more. A LOT more. Actually we need more dialogue options in general: just about every conversation had, at most, 1 time where you need to decide what Shep says out of only two options. That was one of my more minor disappointments: a lack of dialogue options.

Or we could just explain the whole ending away with indoctrination and fix the mess of plot holes and crap with a DLC fix.


And I agree that the whole Synthesis ending was... pretty disturbing.  Combine everyone to create a MASTER RACE?  The AI talking about a 'solution'?  The parrallels to the Holocaust were not lost on me.

Modifié par nevar00, 16 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Umbrellamage]

I'm intrigued OP.

Now I'm torn if synthesis agrees that there is an absolute end goal of racial purity or if it says all races combined is the most pure.

Destroy seems to imply genocide of a race people regarded as subservient for the survival and excellence of the "higher" races is preferable.

Control implies it's right to enslave entire nations for the survival of another collection of nations.

[sth128]

I'm making a series of new endings. I'll post them when I'm done (they'll be videos, not narrations or wall of texts).

[fropas]

The Angry One wrote...

dragonage200200 wrote...

Ummmm, you have to remember, this is just a video game, and considering that as far as I know, a AI like the geth has yet to be invented so yea.....

You miss the point, in that the Catalyst's argument presumes beings should be judged by what they are instead of their actions.
That is in fact fundamentally racist, and contradicted by the game.

Racism isn't just an ideology--it's a system of discrimination the puts a premium on one race above others.

The reapers aren't really "racists" They don't hate AI, they see it as an inevitable threat to organic life. . .but they kill organic life so it's hard to say they favor either "race" in this case.

[MisanthropePrime]

Can a non-human, to say nothing of a non-organic intelligence be considered a criminal? Something cannot be a criminal unless it is subject to laws. The Yahgs, for instance, were not considered "murderers" for killing the Council delegates to their planet, simply because the citadel did not extend its laws to them.

If a dog kills a human on Earth, we do not consider it a murderer. We consider it dangerous, yes, but not a murderer. Similarly, if a machine kills someone, it's malfunctioning, it's dangerous, but it's not a murderer.




I'd quote Matriarch Aethyta here but that'd get me banned, but basically: stop thinking like an "anthropocentric bag of male genitalia".

[thinicer]

TheMadBlimper wrote...

This is why I chose to destroy that little #@$!er, and everything associated with him.

Unfortunately, technology as a whole was wiped out, along with the Geth, as collateral damage.

I didn't choose the red ending because it would have completely undermined what I set out to accomplish in the 2nd and 3rd games and ultimately succeeded in: reconcilng the Geth and Quarians. If I choose the red ending, then I kill all Geth and ruin everything I did in the 2nd and 3rd games. I also kill EDI who I grew very fond of.

While it may be satisfying to see the Reapers keel over and die, for all intents and purposes there is virtually no difference between the three endings and that is what I am most disappointed by. It's funny how Bioware got it right when it came to the resolution of the Geth-Quarian war, actually having your actions over the course of two games determine the outcome of it, yet they could not do the same for the actual end to the whole saga.

Just disappointing. Utterly disappointing.

[Jadebaby]

0_o

[Sc2mashimaro]

Well, your racial/ethnic analysis of the ending goes a bit deeper than the surface intentions or methods, so I cannot support the assertion that Mass Effect ended on an overtly racist note. However, as many have discussed, this does support the thought that the end of ME3 was thematically contrary to everything Mass Effect had been up until that point. Interesting rhetorical analysis, though, so I hope it doesn't just get buried because you make a decent point from a scholastic perspective on communication.

[Nostradamoose]

Damn right I'm bigotted against AIs...

Look how stupid these guys looks running around in ME3...

Stupid, stupid AI...

[Super_Angurius]

And keep in mind that with any art, what you intend to represent, and how people will interpret it. Remember the Far Side comic strip? Remember "Cow Tools?" People went nuts trying to figure out what each cow tool was. Because one was clearly a rake. Except it wasn't. Gary Larson intended the joke to be how Cows can't make tools. But many people got pissed off they could not figure out what the tools were supposed to be. And let's not get started on "What Dogs Dream Of"...

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Walrusninja wrote...

Well this is new ....

[Avina]

*Clap*

Thank you! Someone who isn't just puking on the forum and is actually making sense!

Modifié par Avina, 16 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[Turtlicious]

SandTrout wrote...

Hey, if they wanted the ending to be open to interpretation, this seems perfectly valid to me.

[Skirata129]

I was expecting something completely different when I clicked on this topic. Actually very well written and you make excellent points.

[Shwiggliness]

I know a lot of guys are making fun of you, but you really do have a very interesting point here, and I wish more people took it seriously

[spartan5127]

Yet another reason why this ending goes against a prevalent theme throughout the entire series. That is, tolerance. You spend the whole game telling people to get along and then this brat comes out and says that synthetics will rise against you because they are synthetics. How about we cross that bridge when we come to it because it is clearly shown that being synthetic does not prevent them from coexisting with organics.

[jahaa]

I'm an ending and i find this offensive.