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[nhcre8tv1]

This does not compute.

[Red Dust]

I'm a robot and I find this offensive.

[themaltaproject]

I hope Dean_the_young sees this.

[Lambchopz]

I'll agree it works against themes of the game (tolerance, free will, etc)

I'll agree it's forced genocide in the case of the Destroy ending.

I don't interpret it as racism though, but you make a coherent case for that. I can see where that conclusion can be drawn.

I just see it as a game with bad writing that I wish was changed, not looking into it for deeper meanings.

[Jakemantiv8]

Marauder Shields agrees!!!!!!!

[ticklefist]

Streeeeetch!

[Shwiggliness]

Guys....

This is one of the more interesting "articles" on the endings and why they suck and most of you are spamming youtube comment jokes

[Laughing_Man]

You have a point.
You may have blown the thing out of proportion, but you still have a point.

I think the original idea was to try and create a logic that is very far from human mind,
whice is of course a paradox, because to us It's Ilogical.
And that is why it failed epicly.

[Shadow-Novus]

SandTrout wrote...

Hey, if they wanted the ending to be open to interpretation, this seems perfectly valid to me.

ZING!

[TheMadBlimper]

thinicer wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

This is why I chose to destroy that little #@$!er, and everything associated with him.

Unfortunately, technology as a whole was wiped out, along with the Geth, as collateral damage.

I didn't choose the red ending because it would have completely undermined what I set out to accomplish in the 2nd and 3rd games and ultimately succeeded in: reconcilng the Geth and Quarians. If I choose the red ending, then I kill all Geth and ruin everything I did in the 2nd and 3rd games. I also kill EDI who I grew very fond of.

I hate saying this, I really do, but they were acceptable losses. In the grand scheme of things, they were martyred along with Shepard, dying for the only cause worth dying for (at least in Mass Effect.)

[Ja5ck]

I was expecting a joke or link to a youtube video about the colours of the endings but I was mistaken. Not that that's a bad thing. Very well written and I agree completely. Bravo good sir.

[LilaNoir]

You humans are all racist!

[Lambchopz]

TheRedVipress wrote...

You have a point.
You may have blown the thing out of proportion, but you still have a point.

I think the original idea was to try and create a logic that is very far from human mind,
whice is of course a paradox, because to us It's Ilogical.
And that is why it failed epicly.

That's the main problem with the logic.

If you try really, really, really hard you can imagine how the Reapers and Star Child came up with their version of logic on this issue. Imagination and what not.

It's just to those who experienced the game as Shepard, in this context, that logic makes zero sense. I guess the writers are not human.

[nevar00]

Shwiggliness wrote...

Guys....

This is one of the more interesting "articles" on the endings and why they suck and most of you are spamming youtube comment jokes

Sounds like you took a few too many Youtube comments to the kn-



...okay I won't.

[FRancium]

it was a real slap in the face at least for those players that settled the geth-quarian problem. They can't co-exist? What did I just do? WTH is spacekid talking about?--the game should have at least let me ask that (if the response was " no, that's only temporary, we've seen this in the past, blah blah blah, now, back to your 3 choices" , i would have felt a lot better)

[The_Animal81]

OP you do have a very valid point and i never really looked into it that deep and im a history major so i feel i prolly should have saw that lol but now that you brought it up, I see how you really have hit the nail on the head with that one, good job

[deathscythe517]

I agree with this interpretation, it's at least more valid then the conspiracy theories trying to rationalize the ending IMO.

[Ainyan42]

I agree.

I won't lie, I was tired of the whole 'AIs will destroy the human race' card long before it was done in the Matrix or any of the similar movies of that time. It's not a new theme - it's been around for decades, and enjoyed huge popularity in the 1950s and 1960s. I used to wish for a book or a movie that would show AIs and humans working together - not as servant and master (another common theme), but as two races in tune with each other.

In fact, one of the biggest reasons I loved the Mass Effect series was the fact that they went in the opposite direction: synthetics (the Geth) only attacked organics (the Quarians) when they themselves were attacked for achieving sentience. One of the most defining moments out of any of the games for me was meeting Legion - a second was achieving peace between the Geth and the Quarians. I think that's one of the things that has crushed me the most about the ending. They went a full 180 on what I considered a rather enlightened view of the man vs. AI debate and instead dove into waters that have not only been fully explored, but exploited by writers, directors, and game makers for decades.

And the AI vs. Man debate has always been about racism and slavery. It's been a way to talk about racism and slavery all the way back to when talking about racism and slavery was taboo. And while I doubt that the writers of Mass Effect 3 were thinking about this when they wrote the end, the fact is - they give you three choices: genocide, slavery, or the removal of free-will. None of them satisfying, not to me.

[thinicer]

TheMadBlimper wrote...

thinicer wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

This is why I chose to destroy that little #@$!er, and everything associated with him.

Unfortunately, technology as a whole was wiped out, along with the Geth, as collateral damage.

I didn't choose the red ending because it would have completely undermined what I set out to accomplish in the 2nd and 3rd games and ultimately succeeded in: reconcilng the Geth and Quarians. If I choose the red ending, then I kill all Geth and ruin everything I did in the 2nd and 3rd games. I also kill EDI who I grew very fond of.

I hate saying this, I really do, but they were acceptable losses. In the grand scheme of things, they were martyred along with Shepard, dying for the only cause worth dying for (at least in Mass Effect.)

Except that destroying the Reapers was unnecessary because the blue and green endings also stopped their attack on Earth and on the galaxy, so they were not acceptable losses as all three endings end the Reaper threat.

[Cirreus]

I think OP may be giving the writers & Casey Hudson too much credit. These ****s just fumbled there way through this narrative game & the collateral damage is this ending.

But I your right on about this none the less. Many works of fiction & non fiction tackle the subject of FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Doubt) as justifications for some of humanity's most horrible actions & inventions. Basicly these "creators" at Bioware are bumbling around a field they have no experience in, and pass it off as being clever. I don't agree 100% with the title of this post, but it's contents bring up a very serious problems & implications. But this is EA/Bioware we're talking about ... Ethical isn't a word used in the office there.

[millich]

Ok, sure. But it was the Catalyst saying and doing those things, not Bioware.

[Zolt51]

Stygian1 wrote...

To be honest... it was a lil' racist.
(or whatever being prejudice against robots would be called)

Yes, the catalyst has a strong prejudice against synthetics, probably because his original civilization was wiped out by them. That does not make him right of course. But it does explain his actions.

Even if you say, "there can be peace with the synthetics". Not all synthetics are want to kill us. That doesn't really solve the problem. All it takes is one out-of-control synthetic species to wipe out the whole galaxy and prevent organics from rising. ever. again.

One flaw in the reasoning however is that organics can pretty much do the same thing. Take the Krogan for example. If they hadn't been stopped by the genophage, they could have kept breeding like rabbits on an IV of viagra and eventually overrun the whole galaxy. Preventing other organic civilizations from rising, ever. again. I'm stereotyping on the Krogan here, but it could happen with other species.

The Reapers prevented both scenarios by the most fool-proof possible method: Harvesting sapient species before they could become too powerful to be stopped. It's wrong priorities of course, but you can't say it doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Zolt51, 16 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[SandTrout]

millich wrote...

Ok, sure. But it was the Catalyst saying and doing those things, not Bioware.

BioWare wrote the catalyst and prevented Shepard from rebuting it.

The Catalyst's message is BioWare's message.

[daigakuinsei]

http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/5/

"Legion proves that all forms of life can and do have value, and that it is absolutely possible[/i] for synthetic and organic life to co-exist peacefully. Throw in EDI from Mass Effect 3 and the debate changes radically again — now synthetic and organic characters aren’t just not killing each other, they’re actively hooking up of their own free will.

That doesn’t sound like a world in which the cylons are destined to nuke the humans. Mass Effect 3 even gives you a chance to redeem the quarians and the geth in their struggle and reunite creator and created, parent and child. These events, in the very same game[/i], are fundamentally opposed to the philosophy of the ending and the themes it represents."

Modifié par daigakuinsei, 16 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[dragonage200200]

I do see your point, I just highly doubt Bioware intended the endings to be racist, but I can see how you interpreted them that way after I re-read your post.