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[Zolt51]

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

why didn't the fleet rain hell on harbinger instead of watching him glass their only hope ground force?

That part at least was explained. The rest of the fleet was locked in battle trying to protect the Crucible. Only small shuttles were able to get through the Reaper's blockade of the Earth. Reapers have a powerful main gun, but have proved to be inefficient against small, agile targets. (Like ONE GUY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM WITH A LASER TARGETING THINGY)

But I agree that the explanation was insufficient. The order was for the ground forces. The rest of the fleet was not pulling back - you could see them fighting right outside the Citadel.

Also the rest of the fleet was undamaged by the red/green/blue blast, whereas the normandy gets it hard.

Really that's part is my main problem with the ending.

[NoUserNameHere]

Wintermancer wrote...

TurambarEA wrote...

Even if she's right about the retreat (she's not - that was Hammer, not Sword pulling back), there's still a massive teleportation fail: my squad with me rushing the Citadel ended up on the Normandy somehow.

I thoroughly believe this was a scripting/coding error.

The problem with this is, if they're not bleeding out on the ground right in front of you for lack of war assets, there's nothing to account for their wearabouts even after the bug. Where'd they run off too? 

[Saku39]

If this is true, it means that right after the remains of Hammer raised their rifles in victory, they got wiped out by the shockwave from the Crucible. Great. Awesome. Love it.

*facepalm*

[Drak41n]

uh huh. How did the squad get with him?

[BlueberrieEQ]

she needs to stop posting about mass effect. seriously, she's making things worse and i seriously wonder if she has even played it. just w.t.f

[GnusmasTHX]

RequiemDogma wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

To be fair, Hackett is either dead or himself pulled back too.

Or he's at some odd angle where you can't see him from the Crucible. Hackett was guarding it the whole time so he either got owned or fled while three measly cruisers defended it.

Which is kind of moot because no one was attacking the Crucible anyway.

If you watch the space-scape, there's a trio of dreadnaughts circling the crucible, a pair of sovereign class reapers, and some various other things that don't explode.

Also, if you stand around long enough without making a choice, you get the message "The Crucible was destroyed" and need to reload or quit, just like being defeated.

No those are cruisers. And also lol, didn't know about the second part.

I don't think it'd take that long to destroy the second largest target in space.

[Harbinger of Hope]

Link please? Some of us want nothing to do with some of these *removed to avoid hurting their feelings*

[Whereto]

I doubt spear would pull back, I mean, the crucible is docked with the Citadel. It's the worlds only hope and they are just going to leave it? At that point in time is wasn't about defeating the reapers by conventional means, it was just defend the crucible till we get it to work.

[kyban]

I like how she said that they weren't using a relay. Then what was happening? How did the Normandy blow up?

[Phoenix_UK]

"Hammer is wiped out, all forces retreat!"
Its in their, but this is for ground forces, not the fleet...
A) Hackett is fleet admiral, and clearly still alive (Crucible docks after the retreat order is given) so he would be ordering the fleet to fall back... yet he doesn't, as he and the fleet are still in position when we finally DO open the citadel.
God child sequence shows a butt tonne of ships still fighting in orbit.
C) Joker obeys an order to Abandon Shepard, but somehow collects the squad mates who were with him when Harbinger tore hammer a new one?

[rorako]

First, Shepard does not question the God Child.

Next, Joker turns into a back stabbing coward.

Ruining the Mass Effect story wasn't enough. Now they're ruining the characters that we know and love.

[Almostfaceman]

Everybody calm down, she's just giving her opinion, she's entitled to it as much as you are to your own. We know she's wrong, it's all good, no worries, take a chill, she doesn't speak for Bioware, yada yada yada...

[cyrrant]

If they weren't in a relay then their FTL drive wouldn't have gotten them far enough in the time allotted to make it to some uncharted world, would it?

[Aiyie]

Suntr0 wrote...

"It's too much. We need to regroup. Fall back to the Buildings."
"Hammer's been wiped out, All forces retreat."
"Pull back, Pull back"

That's all.

"all forces retreat"... how do we know this wasn't a general order sent out to everyone, space and ground?  the sudden change from a focus on the ground forces falling back to the buildings to a general retreat order can be easily explained by the sudden realization that the strike team that was critical to operational success was wiped out.

now... as for the ships still fighting during the end bit, nobody ever heard of a delaying action?  you have some forces continue to fight as others retreat, then they take up defensive positions so the delaying force can retreat, and rinse repeat until you can all get away safely.

about picking up your squad?  requires a leap of faith, in that during the retreat the fleet made every effort to rescue whoever they could before pulling back (something like this would actually support the idea of some units executing a delaying action). 

course the timeframe for all this is a bit tight, but hey, trying to make some sense of it all.

[shadey]

they would have retreated to regroup not flee

it was pretty obvious to everyone there that this was there only shot at taking down the reapers, there was no retreat, it was fight or die.

also there is no way in heck joker and the crew would have just bailed on shep.

[Rockpopple]

The order were for the Earth forces to pull back, not a full on retreat. Why would they order a COMPLETE retreat of the Galaxy fleet because the team on Earth failed? The Crucible was still in play. They could have tried again.

Makes no sense, unless Shepard was trippin.

Then there's the teleporting crew.

I think what she's doing here is a tactic called "stalling for time."

[rorako]

shadey wrote...

they would have retreated to regroup not flee

it was pretty obvious to everyone there that this was there only shot at taking down the reapers, there was no retreat, it was fight or die.

also there is no way in heck joker and the crew would have just bailed on shep.

This.  Hackett, Anderson...they BOTH said it multiple times.  There was no option for retreat.  It was do or die, because everyone knew there was no where to hide.

[Aiyie]

rorako wrote...

shadey wrote...

they would have retreated to regroup not flee

it was pretty obvious to everyone there that this was there only shot at taking down the reapers, there was no retreat, it was fight or die.

also there is no way in heck joker and the crew would have just bailed on shep.

This.  Hackett, Anderson...they BOTH said it multiple times.  There was no option for retreat.  It was do or die, because everyone knew there was no where to hide.

since this entire thread is full of assumptions...

here's another one.

how many times throughout history have we seen examples of armies composed of multiple forces that fall apart at the critical moment?

you've got humans, turians, krogan, quarians, salarians, asari, mercs and whoever else in a mulitlateral force.  each one with its own perspective.  sure... the commander in chief, Hackett, a human fighting to retake his homeworld, may hold the view "no surrender, no retreat"... but what about the quarians, who had just retaken their own homeworld... or the turians, or asari?

when the critical part of the whole operation seemed wiped out, is it really that hard to think that the other parts of the force, which may have found the fight to retake Earth as a lost cause (after all they were only there because of Shepard, who was now presumed dead), said, "screw this, time to save my own ass"... and Hackett, seeing the force falling apart, regretfully opted to call for a retreat in the dim hope that "he who runs live to fight another day"?

alot of presumption, but its either that or just accept that BW just dropped the ball and sink even deeper into a self-fulfilling rage-fest.

Modifié par Aiyie, 16 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[magikbbg]

Hey Aiyie, i thought shepard made it known that there is no place to hide from the reapers and that we can only win by working together.. i dunno

[Aiyie]

magikbbg wrote...

Hey Aiyie, i thought shepard made it known that there is no place to hide from the reapers and that we can only win by working together.. i dunno

sure... and then shep was apparently killed before completing his/her mission.

maybe i just have a bit too cynical an outlook... but yea, i could see it all breaking down at that point.  every man for himself and all that once the last, best hope was gone.

thats the problem with idolizing an individual... taking out that individual can shatter morale in an instant.  sure, you might create a martyr... but a martyr can only exist when there's the tangible hope of eventual victory.  and the more you pin your hopes on that individual, the more devastating their loss becomes and the more that hope decays, until it reaches a breaking point.

Modifié par Aiyie, 16 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[JasonTan87]

Aiyie wrote...

magikbbg wrote...

Hey Aiyie, i thought shepard made it known that there is no place to hide from the reapers and that we can only win by working together.. i dunno

sure... and then shep was apparently killed before completing his/her mission.

maybe i just have a bit too cynical an outlook... but yea, i could see it all breaking down at that point.  every man for himself and all that once the last, best hope was gone.

thats the problem with idolizing an individual... taking out that individual can shatter morale in an instant.  sure, you might create a martyr... but a martyr can only exist when there's the tangible hope of eventual victory.  and the more you pin your hopes on that individual, the more devastating their loss becomes and the more that hope decays, until it reaches a breaking point.

This doesn't really work for me. 

In any case, Jesscia's tweet kinda tells me that Bioware is not in control of the situation and they're are grasping at straws; just like the theories flying around here.

I think they really intended the ending to be the ending, unfortunately.

[Faded-Myth]

Joker sat in the cockpit of a disintegrating ship at the beginning of Mass Effect 2. The only thing separating him and the void of space was a blue field. He even resists when Shepard tries to pull him away. He was prepared to go down with the ship.

I really don't think Joker would just flee for no good reason. That was just poor writing. (Though at this point I'm not even sure it could technically be called writing so much as a vague idea.)

[Scitenik]

She's already mentioned that she doesn't speak for the devs or the writers, so you can't take what she says at face value.

[Fl1xx]

Jessica Merizan Explains Why Recolouring The End Cutscene Does Not Mean It's The Same Cutscene.

Oh, sorry, I thought we were taking this PR woman's tweets as Word of God. My bad.