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[VanDraegon]

My first play through i was mr goody goody knight in shining armor type. I thought some of those decisions were tough, boy was i wrong.  Now, i am playing as a human 2 handed warrior lecherous, cynical, jerk.

Not wanting to use blood magic and enter the fade to save Arl Eammon's son i chose to fight and kill the demon controlling him.

Bioware in made it even harder on us my making us smack around a woman then take a knife to an unconscious child. Ack! I'm surprised i didnt get a tongue lashing from Leliana.

Obviously, the point is to make us make a hard choice, but didnt think it would play out like that.  Anyone else make this choice? How did it make you feel?

Well done again Bioware.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

I was quite furious that I got all the blame while the stupid and irresponsible mother got nothing. It was all her fault, the stuck-up and snooty ****!

[Recidiva]

In one of my play throughs...I had started a few games, and I meant to LEAVE the castle and go to the circle, but I started talking to Connor. Didn't listen to his warning about going in to see his father, killed the desire demon and him. Ooops. Unintentional.

One of my others, I intended to leave, but got lost, started talking to Connor and then the arlessa can't bear his pain any more and ends up slitting Connor's throat. Horrible. I stopped playing that character and didn't go back.

I unlocked blood mage...

But I don't really see much option for myself to finish a game and be...attached to that game and those choices, without saving Connor.  Now I know enough to loot the castle..but DON'T GO NEAR CONNOR and for Andraste's sake, don't TALK to the boy.

Modifié par Recidiva, 28 novembre 2009 - 09:56 .

[Malkut]

So, am i a child murderer?

To quote Morrigan, "if you have to ask . . . ."

[marshalleck]

You can opt to decline the ritual and seek aid from the Circle mages, FYI.

[The Angry One]

[PatT2]

What Marshalleck said.

[Pennoyer]

I prefer to consider myself a Demonslayer.

[Gold Dragon]

The way I rationalized it:



She already said no, the Circle of Mages can't be involved (or else why is the boy still there), and since the Chantry would only summon the Circle (or declare the boy an apostate, sending the Templars after him), there wasn't any real option....

[VanDraegon]

Malkut wrote...

So, am i a child murderer?

To quote Morrigan, "if you have to ask . . . ."

lol

marshalleck wrote...



You can opt to decline the ritual and seek aid from the Circle mages, FYI.

Yeah, i didnt feel like taking the path this time. Not fond of the Circle quest line and figured i would have to run the whole thing to finish up Redcliffe.

A Golden Dragon wrote...

The way I rationalized it:

She already said no, the Circle of Mages can't be involved (or else why is the boy still there), and since the Chantry would only summon the Circle (or declare the boy an apostate, sending the Templars after him), there wasn't any real option....

Yeah, i tried to make the boys mother feel as guilty about her invovlement as the dialog tree allowed.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 29 novembre 2009 - 01:07 .

[Taleroth]

In my opinion, it's kind of hard to claim "the point is to make us make a hard choice," when there's a very easy choice available that saves everyone.



Is it really a hard decision when there's a valid choice with all the upside and none of the downside?

[SeanMurphy2]

Connor had been indirectly responsible for the deaths of hundreds and would have destroyed the whole village. He has left other children orphaned and maybe dead. Why is his life worth so much more than anyone else?



I had no problems killing him. I am not going to leave the Castle for a few days and risk more deaths. Especially since he was not even subdued at that stage.

[TheGreenLion]

If you haven't done the mage tower by then, wouldn't they be disinclined to help til you help them with their problem? I've always done tha Tower before Redcliffe and got the mages to throw me a bone.

[Archonsg]

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

Connor had been indirectly responsible for the deaths of hundreds and would have destroyed the whole village. He has left other children orphaned and maybe dead. Why is his life worth so much more than anyone else?

I had no problems killing him. I am not going to leave the Castle for a few days and risk more deaths. Especially since he was not even subdued at that stage.

This is where I think Bioware outdid himselves. For those who have been paying attention, people who were taken by desire demons do things they do because its something that they always wanted. The templar in the mages tower, attacked you because he really thought he was defending his family and wife, Wilhelm's daugther allowed herself to be possesed, anyone caught that bit when she said "no I won't allow you in!" when she realize the demon's evil intent, if you tried to fight the demon while she still thought of kitty as something to be loved?

Essentially, even though it could have been argued that it was the demon who made Connor do what he did, Connor at some level wanted power and did not care really care much for the people living in the village, behaviour typical of a spoiled brat whose mother "protected" him and most definitely catered to his every whim wouldn't you say?

[trh5001]

TheGreenLion wrote...

If you haven't done the mage tower by then, wouldn't they be disinclined to help til you help them with their problem? I've always done tha Tower before Redcliffe and got the mages to throw me a bone.

If you go to redcliffe first you get the option to leave and go to the tower where you end up helping them then get them to help connor.

[MatronAdena]

I always go to the circle and " after doing the circle quest" Bring them back to redcliff for help, and send Morrigan into the fade, It ends better for the boy anyway that way. His mother was an idiot no questions about it, but the circle, nor the chantry hold the child accountable for what happened as he was a " budding potential" who was misguided, and made a mistake as he knew no better.

[Beechwell]

I only confronted the demon/connor directly in my thrid play through, and must say that I found this the most touching story. And you don't have to smack the mother around. Just keep talking to her.



And I didn't find the "get help from the mages" path so obvious. As Isolde points out, Connor may well strike again in the at least 2 days you will be gone. When I did get help from the circle, I fully expected to find half the people remaining in tha castle to be dead by then. Seems like an easy choice afterwards, but not when making that decision.



And you can't really fault Connor for what he did under the demon's control. Firstly, unlike the charmed templar, the demon was actually inside Connor and possesed him. The Templar was merely caught in a dream. And even if the demon used some hidden desires of Connor, its not really unnatural for a young boy to seek power and to be stronger than all those adults. But as you can see when you free Connor from that Demon, he isn't at all like that when he is himself.

[Taleroth]

Beechwell wrote...

And you can't really fault Connor for what he did under the demon's control. Firstly, unlike the charmed templar, the demon was actually inside Connor and possesed him. The Templar was merely caught in a dream. And even if the demon used some hidden desires of Connor, its not really unnatural for a young boy to seek power and to be stronger than all those adults. But as you can see when you free Connor from that Demon, he isn't at all like that when he is himself.

Since you seemed to miss what was going on, let me explain.  The possession of Conner by the Desire demon was voluntary.  Which is stated as being the sole reason that it could be purged.  Ironic, that.

The desire it tempted him with was his desire to save his father.  And, in truth, it did that.  The Desire demon trapped the Arl to prevent the poison from killing him.

[wlderotter]

the first time through I killed the child and took a -15 hit in attitude from Alistair, so second time through I had the mother killed and yook a -20 hit form alistair. I had not done the mage tower yet either time. Next time through I will do the mage tower first, Alistair is so touchy... then I was comapssionate to Lohgrain and that was a total disaster. I would not want to be a citizen in the country that had Alistair as King. Note have not finished the game yet - I play for awhile then start a new character. Almost have the game done with Alistair gone - will finish that one. - Want to see what having a Rnager is like from lvl 7 - thought it would be about archery but it's not.

[Realmzmaster]

You can ask the Circle mages for help as long as you do not carry out the annulment. The problem is figuring out how to use the litany. If you botch the litany, you carry out the annulment. You are then left with two choices for Connor: Kill him or use blood magic to save Connor, but kill the mother. Also the quest of the Unlikely Scholar depends on successful use of the litany. You have to give BioWare a pat on the back for all the hard choices and how the choice affects other quests.

[Axterix]

Taleroth wrote...

In my opinion, it's kind of hard to claim "the point is to make us make a hard choice," when there's a very easy choice available that saves everyone.

Is it really a hard decision when there's a valid choice with all the upside and none of the downside?

Well, theoritically, the "easy" choice isn't that easy, as while you are off visiting the circle, Conner can supposedly do more evil.  So choosing to go get Circle help can potentially result in a lot more trouble.  Unfortunately, Bioware failed to back that up.  You can travel to the Circle, have to do the entire free the Circle quest line, and return, and nothing will have happened.

If you have the Circle free, go to the Circle, then return, okay, nothing happens.  But if you dally around, something bad really should have happened, to put a cost to that choice.

[Gold Dragon]

Oddly enough, I killed connor, and somehow managed a 7 point BOOST with Alistair...



Maybe I did get the 20pt drop, but the ending of the conversation only said a boost.

[Maderas_]

I have to agree that the "go to the Circle and save everybody happy butterflies and rainbows" option should have carried a consequence. When I first took it I was fully expecting to return to find Redcliffe in ruins.



The objective of the quest seemed to be to force a difficult decision onto the player, and in that regard I think it failed since the save-everybody option is easier than the 'quick' approach to kill Connor.

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Seriously. I was expecting to have to use the Circle Mages to blast my way through new waves of undead/demons as I returned from the circle, to find the knights making a desperate stand, and ultimately fighting our way to Connor to quickly perform the ritual. Perhaps finding Isolde/Teagan dead or something like that, too.

[Taleroth]

In their defense, the game doesn't really have any hard decisions. It doesn't seem to have been an objective of the game's development.

Hardest choice in the game is Loghain. And really, what's hard about that?

Modifié par Taleroth, 29 novembre 2009 - 03:22 .