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[Farbautisonn]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

You can still be religious. You just don't get to say it.

"Dont ask, dont tell"? 

[Arkitekt]

Damn it and me thinking I am an atheist bastard with little respect for the faithful, but just by reading this thread I am almost ashamed to call myself the same nomenclature that some... Ahhh... people here.

OP, I am indeed an atheist but couldn't agree more with you on this. Of course, given all the immense variables they had to work out, it was probably way down on the priorities list and didn't make it. Despite myself not missing that feature at all I can understand you and others do.

[kleindropper]

finc.loki wrote...

I thank the flying spaghetti monster that they dropped religion.
Any species capable of interstellar travel would have ditched that fantasy long ago.
Now if only that could happen here today on earth as well.

Don't worry though, the Asari "thanks the goddess" all the time.

Disclaimer:
Yes my comment is my own personal view, people are free to believe whatever they want.
Personally I stick to Science and logic/common sense.

Also I think Religion and Science is EXTREMLY mutually exclusive...

Religion and a general belief in Deity is very different. One is dogma and tries to tell "how it is" Noah's ark, earth being 6000 years old, need I say more.

Being a Deist is simply a belief that there is or might be a "higher power/entity" so that is different.

Yes, it's  pretty obvious I'm an Atheist.

I find it funny how uninformed most atheists are about religion.  I also find if funny that scientists work so hard to unravel  the rules of the universe but totally dismiss who created the rules in the first place.

Modifié par kleindropper, 16 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[Abirn]

Stop praying in my schools Video Games  and I'll stop thinking in your church.

[BatmanPWNS]

Abirn wrote...

Stop praying in my schools Video Games  and I'll stop thinking in your church.

Thane must give you headaches then.

[Ryzaki]

...there's no chances for Shep to bring up his religion (or lack thereof) in ME3. (There was in ME1.)

So...sorry OP?

It's not like my atheist Shep can walk around proclaiming his atheism.(in ME3 anyway. He did pretty much bite Ash's head off about it in ME1 though. )

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[voteDC]

Belief in a higher power doesn't necessarily mean you follow an organised religion.

Perhaps Shepard is simply spiritual but doesn't think that being told how to believe is the right way to do it.

That's why I pick the "there's never an atheist in a foxhole" line when the choice comes up. My Shepard believes in God but not that organised religion is the way to express that.

Modifié par voteDC, 16 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[Fishy]

Has someone who believe in a 'Higher' power or some sort of conciousness that link everything in the universe and we call it 'GOD' . I did answer That I believed in some kind of GOD in ME1 when Ashley talked about her belief.
I consider myself agnostic.

Personnaly I don't have a problem with  my Shepard believing in Evolution.. Faith and Science can work well together. Extremist in both side annoy me.

[EwEs2]

The problem with religion in videogames is that you need to put all of them in it. If you can say you believe in god (or God), then why not gods? And in which god(God) or gods? Bioware propably wanted to avoid this debate all to getter with not including religion as a major topic in conversations. (At least more than few times)

[Heather Cline]

Religion is like a ticking time bomb throwing it into a video game and focusing on it is very very risky and could cause lots of problems. They avoided it by keeping it low key and just only mentioning it once or twice. The asari religion believing in a goddess is mentioned in all 3 games but it's also kept low key until a certain mission in ME3. However what I dislike about ME3 is all the auto dialogue and not being able to choose at many points what Shepard should say. They removed a lot of dialogue wheels even in full RPG mode and that sucks. It's now more their Shepard than ours.

[slimgrin]

You get a brief spiritual moment in the game, actually. But I won't list spoilers.

The religious discussion with Ashley in ME1 was interesting and pretty ballsy, so I wouldn't mind more of that type of thing in games. But the way the OP is written makes my skin crawl.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[Melca36]

Lets face facts here....

The minute we discover that aliens do exist in the universe...its going to affect every single religion on Earth.


Life and religion will never be the same.

People will be forced to rethink what they were taught.

[Abirn]

EwEs2 wrote...

The problem with religion in videogames is that you need to put all of them in it. If you can say you believe in god (or God), then why not gods? And in which god(God) or gods? Bioware propably wanted to avoid this debate all to getter with not including religion as a major topic in conversations. (At least more than few times)

By definition you can make up any religion you want.  In order to have every religion you would have to have an infinite numer of them.  Which isn't possible lol.

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...
But the way the OP is written makes my skin crawl.

This. I do NOT want religion being given any time really. There are far too many ways it could explode in Bioware's face. Shepard saying he believed in God is good enough.

[naledgeborn is back]

I support. Something I've supported from the beginning.

[XRelakX]

LOL..to be honest i think him after fighting reapers and seeing worlds getting destroyed,entire races,etc i think the concept of "GOD" for him is a bit meh.God didnt fight a reaper /thread.

[robtheguru]

If the Protheans proved that the alien races evolved from tadpoles and what not, then surely that disproves the bible?

Sorry but sci-fi and religion don't really work.

[Chromie]

robtheguru wrote...

If the Protheans proved that the alien races evolved from tadpoles and what not, then surely that disproves the bible?

Sorry but sci-fi and religion don't really work.

Considering Jhavik is the only Prothean doesn't change anything he isn't exactly going around proving religion is wrong. But I get what your saying what's to say Asari didn't study the humans when we were in the year 1 A.D.

Modifié par Skelter192, 16 mars 2012 - 09:28 .

[Wise Men]

starmine76 wrote...

  One of the most profound moments in any video game is in ME 1 where you briefly get to choose whether or not your character believed in God. 

Like quite a few others, I chose yes, not only because of my own beliefs but because the Idea of a hero in a blockbuster sci-fi epic who actually had deeply held religious convictions was interesting to me. To my dismay, this concept was never picked up on again after ME1, except for a brief mention of prayer in Ashley's letter. Not only was it never mentioned again, some of the things Shepard says in ME3 actually contradicts his religious beliefs. Comments about evolution which imply his agreement with it, moments where Shepard will positively comment on a very non-religious philosophy, the fact that your disscusions with Ashley never mention faith, the game never takes into account what YOUR Shepard believes and that's disappointing. 

Belief in God is just another strong reason for Shepard to defy the reaper's bleak ideology. I just wish NBoware had realized that.

Edit: Just to clarify you don't have subscribe to any spiritual beliefs to support this idea. This is about Bioware not following through on player choice, not your own convictions

Although I don't believe in Gods (of any kind), I do understand your point. I guess it's just like offering a choice for same-sex romance.

Also, I wonder how the game would play out for a Shepard who believes in a God. Would that God help him save the galaxy? Maybe they could create different dialogue choices where instead of a "pep speech" before the crew went on a mission, he could lead a prayer or something.

I see no reason why that wouldn't be an interesting option for those that believe in Gods. It might make the game even more personal for them.

[Cadwallen]

You're all right.

Shepherd cannot observe his creator(s) and thus has no scientific reason to believe in... BioWare.
It seems clear to me that they (and we) do not exist. If we do exist, we exist as a fabrication of Ashley's imagination. 1÷0=∞ and all that.

[naledgeborn is back]

robtheguru wrote...

If the Protheans proved that the alien races evolved from tadpoles and what not, then surely that disproves the bible?

Sorry but sci-fi and religion don't really work.

Ahem... Stargate.

[BatmanPWNS]

Melca36 wrote...

Lets face facts here....

The minute we discover that aliens do exist in the universe...its going to affect every single religion on Earth.


Life and religion will never be the same.

People will be forced to rethink what they were taught.

Nope, not really every. Some will continue and new ones will be made. Religion never died before and, as much as some want, won't die in the future.

[xPandaHunterx]

robtheguru wrote...

If the Protheans proved that the alien races evolved from tadpoles and what not, then surely that disproves the bible?

Sorry but sci-fi and religion don't really work.

That's under the assumstion that belief in GOD = Befief in Bible.

Contrary to popular belief, it IS possible to believe both in evolution and a higher power. 

For example, I, for one, believe in a higher power, but I refuse to one singular organization's truth as THE TRUTH.

Belief in a higher power ≠ religion . 

Modifié par xPandaHunterx, 16 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[Mr. Siegal]

Try not to derail here, folks. There are plenty of other places on the internet to argue about religion.