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[DLC On The Disc]

LOL@this thread

IMO there's a broad spectrum

Religious/Theist: obvious

Agnostic/Deist/etc: varying states of doubt and certainty of the existence of God

Atheist: Doesn't care (Adam Carolla covers this pretty well)

Anti-theist/Anti-christian: So buttmutilated about religion and carrying a permanent "**** YOU, DAD" attitude that they attribute all the world's evils to religion and spout nonsense about Sky-Wizards and Spaghetti-Monsters. Frequently targets Christianity because targeting any other religion would racist/anti-semitic of them. Yes, the rich irony is indeed lost on them.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I like how in one sentense, OP went from "spiritual" to "believe in the Biblical God." BioWare can't support this properly because there are so many religions and concepts of spirituality. If they got even a small part of it different than the player, it'd offend the player. So it's impractical.

[Rafe34]

Ignoring the debate in this thread entirely:

Err, there is definitely religion in the game. Final conversation with Garrus- bar in heaven, talking with Thane- who prays for you, etc.

I think the OP needs to replay ME3.

[bandfred]

finc.loki wrote...

I thank the flying spaghetti monster that they dropped religion.
Any species capable of interstellar travel would have ditched that fantasy long ago.
Now if only that could happen here today on earth as well.

Don't worry though, the Asari "thanks the goddess" all the time.

Disclaimer:
Yes my comment is my own personal view, people are free to believe whatever they want.
Personally I stick to Science and logic/common sense.

Also I think Religion and Science is EXTREMLY mutually exclusive...

Religion and a general belief in Deity is very different. One is dogma and tries to tell "how it is" Noah's ark, earth being 6000 years old, need I say more.

Being a Deist is simply a belief that there is or might be a "higher power/entity" so that is different.

Yes, it's  pretty obvious I'm an Atheist.

I find the fact that you are trying to state that religion and science and logic are completely exclusive to eachother and cannot coexist offensive. Ditto to saying the majority of the world, including myself, lives in a fantasy world and using what essentially is religious "blackface"; FSM.

Also, reported your bigoted ass.

Modifié par bandfred, 18 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[Walrusninja]

I'm not a fan of organised religion but everyone has faith in one thing or another and everyone pratices their beliefs in various things on a daily basis. Bit of open mindedness helps in life, you never know what could happen in the next hour, never mind the next day. Pretty much nothing we consider knowledge is guaranteed, it's just subscribed theories, one direction or another. Open mindedness, the only way to go. Life's a journey not a destination right? 

Modifié par Walrusninja, 18 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Jebediah Springfield]

Battlestar Galactica is in a sense theological science fiction. Quite interesting and ME takes a lot of influence from that show. The greatest works of art in human history are almost all derived from the Bible or other religious texts. The best writers tend to rework ideas from the bible. It's a bit of a rite of passage in becoming a good writer. The bible is interesting for a reason, and another thousand years will make it no less interesting.

[jtrook]

Suprez30 wrote...

Has someone who believe in a 'Higher' power or some sort of conciousness that link everything in the universe and we call it 'GOD' . I did answer That I believed in some kind of GOD in ME1 when Ashley talked about her belief.
I consider myself agnostic.

Personnaly I don't have a problem with  my Shepard believing in Evolution.. Faith and Science can work well together. Extremist in both side annoy me.

Lets just agree to disagree.

[Spectre_Shepard]

that conversation with ashley is one of my favorites in the series. my shepard believes in a greater presence as well

[jtrook]

Walrusninja wrote...

I'm not a fan of organised religion but everyone has faith in one thing or another and everyone pratices their beliefs in various things on a daily basis. Bit of open mindedness helps in life, you never know what could happen in the next hour, never mind the next day. Pretty much nothing we consider knowledge is guaranteed, it's just subscribed theories, one direction or another. Open mindedness, the only way to go. Life's a journey not a destination right? 

 I need a like button

[Walrusninja]

Aw thanks dude

[Hydralisk]

EwEs2 wrote...

The problem with religion in videogames is that you need to put all of them in it. If you can say you believe in god (or God), then why not gods? And in which god(God) or gods? Bioware propably wanted to avoid this debate all to getter with not including religion as a major topic in conversations. (At least more than few times)

This.

In the Mass Effect Universe for all we know certain religions could be dead. So which religions do you include, which do you exclude. There is more then 6 religions so you can't fit them all on the radial.

[finc.loki]

bandfred wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

I thank the flying spaghetti monster that they dropped religion.
Any species capable of interstellar travel would have ditched that fantasy long ago.
Now if only that could happen here today on earth as well.

Don't worry though, the Asari "thanks the goddess" all the time.

Disclaimer:
Yes my comment is my own personal view, people are free to believe whatever they want.
Personally I stick to Science and logic/common sense.

Also I think Religion and Science is EXTREMLY mutually exclusive...

Religion and a general belief in Deity is very different. One is dogma and tries to tell "how it is" Noah's ark, earth being 6000 years old, need I say more.

Being a Deist is simply a belief that there is or might be a "higher power/entity" so that is different.

Yes, it's  pretty obvious I'm an Atheist.

I find the fact that you are trying to state that religion and science and logic are completely exclusive to eachother and cannot coexist offensive. Ditto to saying the majority of the world, including myself, lives in a fantasy world and using what essentially is religious "blackface"; FSM.

Also, reported your bigoted ass.

Reported me for what?

I haven't attacked anyone, no name calling, no cussing. I am talking about religion and my opinion of said topic, just as everyone else in this thread.

So you're abusing the report button to try and censor me and my opinion cause it doesn't sit well with you that others might not agree with YOU.

The ironic part is that you were the one breaking the rules by name calling me at the end of your post.

It is my OPINION that religion and science can't co-exist, they are contradictory and also the reason why they don't teach "Intelligent design" in schools, cause it is psuedo-science at best.
Religion is not about discovery, it's about dogma and doctrine and follows texts written long ago.

I already said that a person that has some kind of secular belief of a higher power and follow science can and DO exist.
Cause it is NOT religion.
Einstein is said to have the belief of a "Spinoza's god", look it up.

My wife is basically a Deist, she has some for of belief of a higher power but she doesn't follow religion.
I personally don't like religion and the notion of a personal god as it is presented in religions.
I am an Atheist cause I myself has zero belief in any god at all, yes I believe it is fantasy and remnants of bronze age superstition.

Are you telling me I am not allowed to think as I please, see this is where you think you have the right to censor and block people cause you sit on a high horse of faith and religion and us Atheists are just disrupting your world.
You're not exactly painting a good picture of people with faith.

Also all Atheists speak from their own point of view, we don't follow any form of doctrine, the only thing we have in common is that we don't believe in any form of deities.

Modifié par finc.loki, 18 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[dragonage200200]

^ And that folks is a great example of a over reaction. You read way to much into that guys post. I'm pretty sure he is just saying the way you worded your original post could be offending to some people.

Ex: flying spaghetti monster, calling religion a fantasy, etc.

[Homebound]

religion and science...arent exclusive. Your Shepard can be religious and still understand the science behind his regenerating shield in his armor.

[AlexMBrennan]

Sorry, but believing factually inaccurate claims because someone said so, as required by all major religions, is fundamentally incompatible with science. At best, you could go for a deist faith i.e. "light" atheism.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 18 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[scott1118]

There are a multitude of religeons out there so giving people the option of beleiving in maybe just one type would be worse than giving them a choice at all.
But yeah i see your point, although in ME3 there are some "religeous" references e.g. talking about heaven and the asari seem more religeous than most, but think how much humanity has lost its grip on religeon from now and a hundred years ago, so at that point of time very little may still have faith.
Also let's not forget that more or less everything in that game is tech and science which kind of cuts a bridge you know? Even the reapers themselves and their reason for the cycle is based on the theory of evolution which contradicts religeous views.

Or maybe they just decided not to add it for other reasons.

[finc.loki]

dragonage200200 wrote...

^ And that folks is a great example of a over reaction. You read way to much into that guys post. I'm pretty sure he is just saying the way you worded your original post could be offending to some people.

Ex: flying spaghetti monster, calling religion a fantasy, etc.

I would say overreaction is him reporting me for stating an opinion.

Hellbound555 wrote...

religion and science...arent exclusive. Your Shepard can be religious and still understand the science behind his regenerating shield in his armor.

 

How is it not exclusive when for example one religion say in the book written by their god in their gods words, Earth is 6000 years old.
We know this is not the case. What about Noa and his ark with 2 of each kind of species, we know there are and have been millions of species on earth.
How does that fit on to an ark, especially one that actually has described measurements in the bible.
It goes on and on.
Proven that earth is 4.5 billion years old, yet for them it is 6000 years.

In that particular religion that is the truth, and it is gods words etc.

All aspect of religion and intelligent design work from the concept that god DOES exist and everything else in the universe have to conform to that notion and all science is based on it and then they reject all the evidence against it. Especially according to their own religion, not a deist perspective but a religious perspective in how the bible or Koran or Tora says.

Religion and just plain Deism are two very different things.

This is WHY Science and religion IS mutually exclusive. Science and Deism is a different matter,I want to point out that specifc difference,cause ulimately religion IS Dogma and doctrine and already has a preconcieved notion and story of how things are. Knowledge in religion is set and can not be expanded upon.

Modifié par finc.loki, 18 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[r00tb33r]

Without spoilers, in ME3 Shep and Garrus hint their hope for an afterlife in one of their conversations. I think that counts.

[Farbautisonn]

-Religion and science can coexist. Many of the most famous scientists in history have been religious. That didnt mean they didnt question dogmatic thought or sought to examine things. I am a theist, but I dont let any scripture or philosophy get in the way of science and empirical facts. To me Religion is food for the soul, not the mind.

[shin-zan]

Does anything actually contradict his religiousness? Evolution is a scientific fact so not dismissing it doesn't make him a nonbeliever. Being religious shouldn't mean he has to act like an intolerant biggot either or praise god each time he opens his mouth.

I think it's just something that's left up to the player, your Shepard can be religious or an atheist, I didn't feel like the game was forcing either.

[Golden Owl]

@ OP...

.I feel in fact that it is best off BW having not taken that line further...the reason: There is much in ME in which our personal RPing is over-ridden by enforced opposing dialog choices, but by leaving religon/spirituality mostly alone it has left it open for us to RP our Sheps religous/spiritual/athiest/scientific/etc.... as we wish....Example: My Shep like myself is an Animist, he fights for ALL life, not just those he can converse with, this is an easy philosophy/belief/spirituality I am able to install into my own personal game, because there is nothing that breaks it for me....I see his lack of practise or thoughts on it ingame as the fact that he is a miltitary man and as such keeps his personal beliefs confined to personal free time....It is a much better soultion than an RP breaking choice/beliefs dialog.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 18 mars 2012 - 11:35 .