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[Sentr0]

"Mass effect 3: A Crime Against Humanity"

lol

Modifié par Sentr0, 16 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[GnusmasTHX]

tqnz wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Good thing I base all my decisions on the internet masses.

Isn't everything from the internet true?

Only from 4chan and wikipedia.

[Xenolithium]

Oh man, this will surely take you places.

[firebreather19]

Mystical_Gaming wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Mystical_Gaming wrote...

the best way to put it is this.

You have a nice juicy apple.

you then get a needle and inject the apple with a little poison (few drops).

whole apple is now ruined by a few drops of poison.

The poisoning ending basically affects everything in the mass effect trilogy. You can't emotionally just walk away from it and play the game normally again without that in the back of your head ... at least I can't.

That's good, because it means you didn't grasp one iota of what Mass Effect actually meant. You played 3 games and didn't once get that every individual act matters, not just for the ending but for its own sake. So it's probably for the better.

I'm a little confused by what you mean. I DO get that every little action in the mass effect games was meant to have an effect on the end of the game and for it's own sake. ME1 and ME2 did this brilliantly. But when ME3 ending bascially says "oh everything you did was for nothing and the choices you made in all three games don't matter for the utimate resolution of the game" I then have a problem.

this is multiplied when you have a character that was imprted from ME1 > ME2 > ME3. A character built with 5 years of care and time is now dimished to a few blah choices where all of the choice making I made never actually impacted the ending in any way. I could have started a new character in ME3 and half assed my way to the end and would have still got the same ending becasue none of the choices mattered. I could be half paragon and half renegade never commiting to a certain side and still get the same blah ending.

For me (maybe not for you, and thats totally fine) it basically poisioned the entire trilogy as I stated in my little example.

Exactly, you want the end to come up and say "Hey look at all these things you did!" except you shouldn't need that. If you did it, that should be enough. 

Besides, ME1 didn't do it...I don't remember a choice not to fight Saren and say it's cool, go do your reaper thing. Saving Kaiden or Ashley didn't matter, except one or the other might've been in the final fight. ME2 did it better, but the grand scale of what was at stake didn't change.

[ticklefist]

Even brutal honesty is honesty. Major media outlets should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.

[KotorEffect3]

ticklefist wrote...

Even brutal honesty is honesty. Major media outlets should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.

Review bombing isn't honesty.

[Razorsteel]

Sentr0 wrote...

"Mass effect 3: A Crime Against Humanity"

lol

+1  I got a chuckle out of that.

[firebreather19]

Miphious wrote...

I gave the game a 3 because I enjoyed most of it, but the ending (and now all the nonsense and non-answers from staff) dropped it for me. It would have gotten a 5 with even just a mediocre ending.

But to suggest that all the people giving the game 1 star are somehow acting inappropriately is ridiculous. You have absolutely no right to tell one person how they ought to feel about something they played and had a personal experience with. If the ending was so bad for someone that they are unable to play the games anymore then that is their opinion and they are allowed to have it! And the game certainly deserves a single star rating from them for exactly that reason.

Stop acting like everyone is being childish when they don't do exactly what you do!

Some people have taken this ending really hard. Missing classes/work, becoming depressed, stopping sleeping/eating. Perhaps they should get a life, but again, their reaction is their reaction and you have no control over that.

If no one's ever asked to face the immaturity and selfishness of their actions, then anyone can do whatever they want ever and no one has to answer for anything. Maturity never develops and responsibility never matters. If people are missing classes or work because of this, that's problematic. Very.

This is all coming from someone who poured hundreds of hours into the game btw.

[Tovanus]

Calling this "review bombing" is childish. There is such a thing, but that is not what this is. Review bombing is generally what occurs when someone trashes a book or movie or game they haven't read / watched / played because they're pissed at the author or publisher or something of the kind. For instance, someone says that an author has taken a political position that offends a large group, and urges a large group to go bomb their product on amazon, with the vast majority of the group not being among the market for the product in the first place.

What is happening right now is actual players of the product giving it a terrible score because they believe that the end truly devalued the ENTIRE product. You can say you disagree with it. Don't call it dishonest. Games emphasize different things. (Stat building, graphics, strategic combat, tactical combat, story).  ME games emphasized its story aspect to a huge, huge, huge degree. There are benefits to that (it created a pretty devoted fan-base from the first game onwards). There are risks to it also. Complaining about people giving it a low score is like complaining about former Lost fans warning people away from starting the series on DVD because Lost failed to answer the mysteries it set up and ended with a cop-out. Nothing wrong with that.

Flubbing the ending as bad as they did devalued, to many customers, the entire experience. Bioware deserves exactly what is happening. The one thing they have going for them is that most of these customers are loyal enough to the potential of a good ending that they won't immediately move on and will actively urge Bioware to fix it with DLC. If Bioware doesn't make use of that, then they leave this game with real brand name damage, and they deserve exactly what happens to them on metacritic or amazon.

Modifié par Tovanus, 16 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[KotorEffect3]

Razorsteel wrote...

Sentr0 wrote...

"Mass effect 3: A Crime Against Humanity"

lol

+1  I got a chuckle out of that.

Did someone say that in their review?  How can these idiots that put reviews like that be even taken seriously?

[MB957]

for me...the ending of a trilogy is quite important to the overall appeal of the game. If it succeeds...then my entire 3 game experience has meaning and purpose. If it fails, then I am left with unhappy feelings and frustration.

I know that ya cant please all the people all the time....but bioware managed to please a majority of the people most of the time following whatever template or strategy they used in ME1 and 2.

to abandon that in the last 15 minutes of ME3 seems odd to me. yes...ME3 is 10/10 in most categories, Outside of a few issues, I love the game. Till the all important ending.

for me, because it is the finale to an epic tale, stretching back over the years, it needs to deliver. and for me...it imploded at the end. and that...is unforgivable..as is. I give it a 0/10...because it fails to give what it promised...choice...resolution...and all the answers we played so long to receive.

Fight on Marauder Shields! Save as many as you can!!

[G Kevin]

Tovanus wrote...

Calling this "review bombing" is childish. There is such a thing, but that is not what this is. Review bombing is generally what occurs when someone trashes a book or movie or game they haven't read / watched / played because they're pissed at the author or publisher or something of the kind. For instance, someone says that an author has taken a political position that offends a large group, and urges a large group to go bomb their product on amazon, with the vast majority of the group not being among the market for the product in the first place.

What is happening right now is actual players of the product giving it a terrible score because they believe that the end truly devalued the ENTIRE product. You can say you disagree with it. Don't call it dishonest. Games emphasize different thing, ME games emphasized its story aspect to a huge, huge, huge degree. There are benefits to that (it created a pretty devoted fan-base from the first game onwards). There are risks to it also. Complaining about people giving it a low score is like complaining about former Lost fans warning people away from starting the series on DVD because Lost failed to answer the mysteries it set up and ended with a cop-out. Nothing wrong with that.

Flubbing the ending as bad as they did devalued, to many customers, the entire experience. Bioware deserves exactly what is happening. The one thing they have going for them is that most of these customers are loyal enough to the potential of a good ending that they won't immediately move on and will actively urge Bioware to fix it with DLC. If Bioware doesn't make use of that, then they leave this game with real brand name damage, and they deserve exactly what happens to them on metacritic or amazon.

That's an interesting point. Maybe I am too forgiving, but I still enjoyed the game...

[Phattee Buttz]

When I see negative user reviews on these sites, I usually assume that it's a bunch of neckbeards who are upset that the thing didn't exactly match what they had in mind, and I'm usually right. This was the case with Tom Bombadil's absence in LOTR and HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones, and I assumed that was the case here.

After having finished the game, I admit that I was wrong, that the people giving the game negative reviews have very genuine reasons, and I find myself siding with them.

[Vaktathi]

Tovanus wrote...

Calling this "review bombing" is childish. There is such a thing, but that is not what this is. Review bombing is generally what occurs when someone trashes a book or movie or game they haven't read / watched / played because they're pissed at the author or publisher or something of the kind. For instance, someone says that an author has taken a political position that offends a large group, and urges a large group to go bomb their product on amazon, with the vast majority of the group not being among the market for the product in the first place.

What is happening right now is actual players of the product giving it a terrible score because they believe that the end truly devalued the ENTIRE product. You can say you disagree with it. Don't call it dishonest. Games emphasize different thing, ME games emphasized its story aspect to a huge, huge, huge degree. There are benefits to that (it created a pretty devoted fan-base from the first game onwards). There are risks to it also. Complaining about people giving it a low score is like complaining about former Lost fans warning people away from starting the series on DVD because Lost failed to answer the mysteries it set up and ended with a cop-out. Nothing wrong with that.

Flubbing the ending as bad as they did devalued, to many customers, the entire experience. Bioware deserves exactly what is happening. The one thing they have going for them is that most of these customers are loyal enough to the potential of a good ending that they won't immediately move on and will actively urge Bioware to fix it with DLC. If Bioware doesn't make use of that, then they leave this game with real brand name damage, and they deserve exactly what happens to them on metacritic or amazon.

Unfortunately there's a ton of reviews on metacritic and amazon from people who started trashing it from day 1 or even earlier, usually that never bought the game and certainly didn't have a chance to finish it before posting reviews. Hell, the whole "zomg gay sex don't let biowar turn me ******" thing crashed ME3's metacritic ratings days before the ending controversy erupted over last weekend. 

Poor ratings based on people who bought the game or at the very least actually played through it even if they pirated it are totally legitimate, but many, if not most, of these reviews are not by people who did so. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 16 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Jake71887]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Did someone say that in their review?  How can these idiots that put reviews like that be even taken seriously?

How can you be taken seriously, when a majority of your posts are just insults? We get it, you're upset with the fans; but if what you see is upsetting you so much, then stop browsing the forums. 

[PaulSX]

Mass Effect 3 deserve a much much better score. but the user rating is also right since the game failed to deliver its promises.

[dkear1]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

When I see negative user reviews on these sites, I usually assume that it's a bunch of neckbeards who are upset that the thing didn't exactly match what they had in mind, and I'm usually right. This was the case with Tom Bombadil's absence in LOTR and HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones, and I assumed that was the case here.

After having finished the game, I admit that I was wrong, that the people giving the game negative reviews have very genuine reasons, and I find myself siding with them.

Unfortunately true.  Without a fix for the ending the game suffers......so should its rating.

[Wattoes]

2484Stryker wrote...

I get why people are angry, as am I, but review bombing is being used as the number 1 attack against us. Next up is how we apparently all want "happy" endings.

ME3 not only ruined the game, it ruined the series.  Not only did it ruin the series, but I haven't been able to play ANY games for the past couple days.

20 hours of fun is not worth that.  Completing Mass Effect 3 was one of the worst experiences ive ever had.  The game DESERVES a zero, even with how incredible everything else is.

The rating bombing is more than deserved.

[Leafs43]

I personally rate ME3 around an 8.5.

If the ending had been finished on release, the game would have easily gotten a 10 out of me.

[firebreather19]

That people can reason that the battle on Tuchanka, the Geth-Quarian conflict, the tragic fall of Thessia, the assault on the Collector's base, the gaining of squadmates, Shepard's relationships with them, and even the loss of them...that it's all rendered insignificant because of how the story "ends"...that's sad, and I'm sorry for you. But at the same time Bioware inadvertantly did something pretty brilliant by revealing the true nature of a lot of individuals.

[webrakefornobody]

while i couldn't give mass effect 3 a "poor" (metacritic) or less than 3 stars (amazon review) because it is a great game and "only" the ending sucks, i really have no problem with other people destroying this game in their review, just like this game destroyed the trilogy's appeal to me in the ending.

but i'm starting to feel really bad about all the people that worked hard for this franchise. they sure put a lot of effort in this and now they have to see all this *points at forum*, because of the decisions only 1-2 people made.

[maki0129]

To be fair, when you get to the ending of Mass Effect 3, it's like you found a turd at the bottom of the most delicious bowl of soup.

It was great soup, delicious meal, it was nutritious, it was delicious, it was an experience...

But there was a turd at the end of it.

If they asked me to grade the soup afterwards, I would certainly give it the lowest rating. But of course this example is hyperbolic, and I'm of the opinion that applying it's core principle IRL would be ridiculous. I'm just saying I understand the feeling...

Modifié par maki0129, 16 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Thalorin1919]

There is a difference between review bombing and putting out an honest review.

I see everyone on this entire board agree that 95-99% of the game is perfect until the very end. How does this qualify for a 2/5 star average or a 4.0 user score?

This is ridiculous. I don't think this movement would be so scarred with the words 'whiny' and 'entitled gamers' if you guys put out your issues in articulated matters rather than pulling this crap.

[pharsti]

Lets be honest, ive never had a game that was so hard to rate....

How do you rate a game thats amazing in every sense, but that not only destroys everything youve been told the end would be (a conclusion, epic, choices mattered), but also manages to leave such a dull feeling that kills all replayability (on a series that focused on replayability and creating "your" story) not only of the game itself, but also any replayability the previous two titles had, its not easy.

If it matters, i dont really think those scores mean much, except that people werent happy that is.

[DrowNoble]

Not only is the game getting hammered with the ratings, but price is already coming down. Saw it on amazon for only $44 already. You don't suddenly drop the price on a new game unless you're worried it may stop selling. Heck, Arkham City is only down $5 from when it came out in November.

Bioware needs to man up and get this fixed or the ME legacy is going to be forever tarnished cuz of the horrible ending.

Remember people: HOLD THE LINE