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[Xenolithium]

Jake71887 wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 won't have problems selling. If anything, this is increasing sales.

But how many of those sales are now used copies? 

Well I work at one of said stores, and 2 used copies out of 100 sold is pretty legit.

You're not the only store 

Oh man, people returned their copies of Mass Effect 3. Some were probably Digital and can't be refunded or returned. The rest got an amazing $15 Trade-In that comes out of the store's pocket, not BioWare or EA's. EA/BioWare still has everyone's full retail payment.


Stick it to the man!!! REBEL REBEL REBEL! <_<

[Jake71887]

Thalorin1919 wrote...
People are going to buy this game regardless.

Yeah, some might be discouraged at the news of this ending. However, people complained about the Human Reaper at the end of ME2 and that game still sold anyways. There are various other games out there and other forms of entertainment that are succesful despite their poor endings.

You might think your movement matters, but ultimately, people are going to want to see and judge for themselves instead of listenting to people on the internet. 

The human reaper, and other games with poor endings(Some of which did completely bomb), did not destroy an entire franchise for some fans. 

You might think you know what the general populace is going to do, but ultimately you are not clairevoyant, so you couldn't possibly know. But that being said, there is plenty of instances where fan reviews have had a severe impact on game and other media sales... So I'm not really sure why you think it doesn't matter at all. 

No, and I'm sure we're not the only district and the only region and the only state and the only country, but I've yet to hear of any sudden influx of used ME3 copies. Must be all the husks claiming they'll burn their copy or destroy it or whatever are really not as willing to give their games up as they think.

There was a thread yesterday who claimed the exact oposite of you, and neither of you are concrete sources, so it's hard to say who's exaggerating.

[Jake71887]

Xenolithium wrote...
Oh man, people returned their copies of Mass Effect 3. Some were probably Digital and can't be refunded or returned. The rest got an amazing $15 Trade-In that comes out of the store's pocket, not BioWare or EA's. EA/BioWare still has everyone's full retail payment.


Stick it to the man!!! REBEL REBEL REBEL! <_<

EA/Bioware want to sell NEW copies, as they don't get income off of resold used copies... So all those used copies stocking up for people to buy at reduced prices? Is yes in fact hurting EA/Bioware... May hurt fans as well, but getting 15 bucks back is better than having a game they don't want to play to many.

[JPR1964]

FRancium wrote...

Not really news. I would have argued that this was an over-reaction to mistreat the overall great game. But then, I haven't gathered enough courage to play it again since seeing the ending.

Because at the end, all that remains, it's the endings...

JPR out!

[maki0129]

I was digital and deluxe, and I still regret it.

[Xenolithium]

Jake71887 wrote...

Xenolithium wrote...
Oh man, people returned their copies of Mass Effect 3. Some were probably Digital and can't be refunded or returned. The rest got an amazing $15 Trade-In that comes out of the store's pocket, not BioWare or EA's. EA/BioWare still has everyone's full retail payment.


Stick it to the man!!! REBEL REBEL REBEL! <_<

EA/Bioware want to sell NEW copies, as they don't get income off of resold used copies... So all those used copies stocking up for people to buy at reduced prices? Is yes in fact hurting EA/Bioware... May hurt fans as well, but getting 15 bucks back is better than having a game they don't want to play to many.

That's cool. Most people aren't sheep and would probably still buy the game new, despite the manchildren throwing a tantrum on review sites.

I know I did, despite the Japanese throwing a hissy fit over XIII-2 as if the gaming world revolved around them.

[ArchLord James]

In all fairness to Bioware a lot of these user reviews on metacritic seem negatively biased. Almost likes it is a coordinated smear campaign. They aren't just trashing the ending they are trashing everything. I simply cannot agree with this, no matter how much I despise the ending, and I DO despise it believe me. However, the truth is (IMO obviously) that everything leading up to the run towards the citadel beam was epic.

I cant believe people use the tired line of nothing mattered from the previous. Okay nothing mattered in the end, but all the decisons from ME1 and ME2 definitely played a big role in many key story areas of the game. For example, if you didn't resolve Tali and Legions conflicts correctly in ME2 there was no way to get a peaceful solution between the Geth and Qarians. If you didn't save Maelons data in ME2 then the female krogan dies no matter what. There are lots of other things like whether wrex and kirrahae were alive. Without wrex its possible to save Mordin and sabatoge the genophage cure. Without Kirrahae its possible for the salarian council member to be assassinated by Kai Leng. The rachni, blah blah blah you get the point. Decisions did matter and played a big role. In the ending they didnt which is a tragedy. But you cant say they didnt matter at all that is being disingenuous and unfair to BW.

We can be critical of things we dont like people... but lets keep it real too.

[Jake71887]

Xenolithium wrote...

That's cool. Most people aren't sheep and would probably still buy the game new, despite the manchildren throwing a tantrum on review sites.

I know I did, despite the Japanese throwing a hissy fit over XIII-2 as if the gaming world revolved around them.

I wouldn't say most people, but then we'd have to  wait and actually see numbers to know for sure... But I'm glad you think most people aren't sheep, despite a majority of people doing the same thing is what most people consider sheep to be. 

Modifié par Jake71887, 16 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Jaleth]

I think this is bs, the game was great up until the end most people didn't want to have. I personally think the endings are great, but that's not the point. I think it is very disappointing that people can not get passed the last fifteen minutes of this epic game and have to bash it like this, or say **** like 'this is how we can make them listen.' It feels like the forum is filled with a bunch of angry children.

[Xenolithium]

Jaleth wrote...

I think this is bs, the game was great up until the end most people didn't want to have. I personally think the endings are great, but that's not the point. I think it is very disappointing that people can not get passed the last fifteen minutes of this epic game and have to bash it like this, or say **** like 'this is how we can make them listen.' It feels like the forum is filled with a bunch of angry children.

Nailed it.

[Flyprdu]

For those who are saying this game is 6/10+ and others are being over-critical due to the poor ending:

I have to reiterate that this game is primarily about the ending.  We've had 2 games at 60 hours of build up to the war with the Reapers.   (85 hours if you include the build-up in Mass Effect 3)

Now let me say was the content of acquiring allies entertaining?  You bet!  It was an amazing feat of game design.   But it was a sideshow.   Center ring is and has always been THE REAPERS.  And this is where the game fails.

The entire purpose of this game is defined about the war with the Reapers.   And after all that time, there was less than 2 hours of content.   The biggest war in the history of mankind, a fight for its mere survival, took less time than hammering out relations between the Geth and Quarians.  And I'm not even mentioning the quality of the content.

This entire game was a tease... one big let down brought to you over 5 years of build up.  That said, is it wrong to give this game a low score?  No.  Absolutely not. 

Mass Effect 3 failed its purpose -- To define and experience the war with the Reapers and conclude the Mass Effect series.

4 / 10

[Jake71887]

Jaleth wrote...

I think this is bs, the game was great up until the end most people didn't want to have. I personally think the endings are great, but that's not the point. I think it is very disappointing that people can not get passed the last fifteen minutes of this epic game and have to bash it like this, or say **** like 'this is how we can make them listen.' It feels like the forum is filled with a bunch of angry children.

Honestly for me, there were too many things left out, bugs, plotholes, etc in the game leading up to the ending for it to be a perfect game for me... Regardless of the endings.... 

I'm not defending the "2s"; but I can agree with some of the lower numbers.

[TheLostGenius]

It fits the narrative perfectly. We are taking about a horrific violent exctinction of humanity, all of our technology, all of our meaning , purposes, traditions, ideas and values. It had happen this way. A happy ending would have been sickening. Thankfully they did not retcon the incomprehensible power of the Reapers.

[Spanking Machine]

It's a shame, because up until the last 10 minutes it was one of the best games I've ever played.

[xcomcmdr]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...

Good. BioWare wants to fight dirty by sicking their lap dogs on us (IGN) and re-tweeting snide remarks about the fan base? Fine, we can fight dirty too.

Yep. Right in EAware's money quad.

[firebreather19]

Flyprdu wrote...

For those who are saying this game is 6/10+ and others are being over-critical due to the poor ending:

I have to reiterate that this game is primarily about the ending.  We've had 2 games at 60 hours of build up to the war with the Reapers.   (85 hours if you include the build-up in Mass Effect 3)

Now let me say was the content of acquiring allies entertaining?  You bet!  It was an amazing feat of game design.   But it was a sideshow.   Center ring is and has always been THE REAPERS.  And this is where the game fails.

The entire purpose of this game is defined about the war with the Reapers.   And after all that time, there was less than 2 hours of content.   The biggest war in the history of mankind, a fight for its mere survival, took less time than hammering out relations between the Geth and Quarians.  And I'm not even mentioning the quality of the content.

This entire game was a tease... one big let down brought to you over 5 years of build up.  That said, is it wrong to give this game a low score?  No.  Absolutely not. 

Mass Effect 3 failed its purpose -- To define and experience the war with the Reapers and conclude the Mass Effect series.

4 / 10

This is where you're wrong. The reapers were the sideshow, the situation and the set-up that made Shepard's decisions regarding those around him so much more important. Sometimes it's better to lose everything than save nothing, because at least there was something to lose. 

[Jake71887]

TheLostGenius wrote...

It fits the narrative perfectly. We are taking about a horrific violent exctinction of humanity, all of our technology, all of our meaning , purposes, traditions, ideas and values. It had happen this way. A happy ending would have been sickening. Thankfully they did not retcon the incomprehensible power of the Reapers.

Don't want a happy ending, want an ending that makes sense, without people having to create theories to make it fit.

[Taleroth]

Jaleth wrote...

I think this is bs, the game was great up until the end most people didn't want to have. I personally think the endings are great, but that's not the point. I think it is very disappointing that people can not get passed the last fifteen minutes of this epic game and have to bash it like this, or say **** like 'this is how we can make them listen.' It feels like the forum is filled with a bunch of angry children.

Stories are powerful things. They make people feel emotions. People aren't angry because they're children. They're angry because that is the emotion the story leaves them with.

Nobody likes to be angry. Nobody wants other people to be angry. When a story makes people angry, the story has failed to be a positive thing.

[firebreather19]

Jake71887 wrote...

Xenolithium wrote...
Oh man, people returned their copies of Mass Effect 3. Some were probably Digital and can't be refunded or returned. The rest got an amazing $15 Trade-In that comes out of the store's pocket, not BioWare or EA's. EA/BioWare still has everyone's full retail payment.


Stick it to the man!!! REBEL REBEL REBEL! <_<

EA/Bioware want to sell NEW copies, as they don't get income off of resold used copies... So all those used copies stocking up for people to buy at reduced prices? Is yes in fact hurting EA/Bioware... May hurt fans as well, but getting 15 bucks back is better than having a game they don't want to play to many.

Not really, all those new copies are already bought and paid for. Plus used copies get easier added on Prothean DLC. Not quite as simple as you think.

[Jake71887]

firebreather19 wrote...

Not really, all those new copies are already bought and paid for. Plus used copies get easier added on Prothean DLC. Not quite as simple as you think.

Yes really...

Say 1000 people want to buy ME3. 

700 buy it new, that money goes to EA/Bioware. 
500 Return it and they become used copies. 
100 more buy it new; but 200 buy it used. 

So 1000 people have copies now. 
800 contribute to EA/Bioware's pocket. 
200 Do not. 


Regardless of how many have been bought before, EA/Bioware is losing money because used copies are available. I now have completely dimissed your claims about used copies,a nd the fact that you work at a store; because this is basic stuff you should know.

[Xenolithium]

Jake71887 wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Not really, all those new copies are already bought and paid for. Plus used copies get easier added on Prothean DLC. Not quite as simple as you think.

Yes really...

Say 1000 people want to buy ME3. 

700 buy it new, that money goes to EA/Bioware. 
500 Return it and they become used copies. 
100 more buy it new; but 200 buy it used. 

So 1000 people have copies now. 
800 contribute to EA/Bioware's pocket. 
200 Do not. 


Regardless of how many have been bought before, EA/Bioware is losing money because used copies are available. I now have completely dimissed your claims about used copies,a nd the fact that you work at a store; because this is basic stuff you should know.

Oh man, he just pulled out the good old "Good Day Sir!" on the other dude!

Modifié par Xenolithium, 16 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Mystical_Gaming]

firebreather19 wrote...


Exactly, you want the end to come up and say "Hey look at all these things you did!" except you shouldn't need that. If you did it, that should be enough. 

Besides, ME1 didn't do it...I don't remember a choice not to fight Saren and say it's cool, go do your reaper thing. Saving Kaiden or Ashley didn't matter, except one or the other might've been in the final fight. ME2 did it better, but the grand scale of what was at stake didn't change.

my friend, you miss my point though. It's not just about the choices I made whether they had a huge impact or not. Whether they led to my shepard's demise or not. It was the fact I was given the choice the entire trilogy. But then in the end I had to betray the cannon of my femsep becasue the game steps out of place and all of the sudden doesn't allow us to choose a choice that would reflect the way our character would have chosen (and had been chooing all 3 games long). What is the point of having a trilogy based about choice only to have a dues ex choice style end that was not fit for a game like mass effect.

this is why I used the exmaple of the apple and perhaps why some players (who played the game and beat it, who rightfully have the choice to down rate the game) went to amazon and metacritc or wherever they bought it a gave it a low score. I myself did not go all around down rating the game down so please, before you put me in the bandwagon of haters and players that just down rate to make a point I don't do that kind of stuff.

I'm just simply posting on this forum giving my feelings. If you feel I am silly for expecting or desiring a trilogy ending that has something to do with the choices we've made in the 3 games then fine ... but know this: As real people we make choices every day and we wouldn't or don't just one day decide to go against everything we beleive (without some reason for us to change or an event that changes us ad shapes us as people) to all of the sudden make a choice that would go against our character. This however happens in the end of ME3 where we simply don't have a choice anymore becasue the game decided not to allow it anymore ... I have nothing further to say and will leave it at that.

Modifié par Mystical_Gaming, 16 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Jake71887]

Xenolithium wrote...
Oh man, he just pulled out the good old "Good Day Sir!" the other dude!

Ah, reduced to trolling because you can't think of adequate responses, sad... I'm still waiting on your response to our previous conversation BTW.

[AtreiyaN7]

webhead921 wrote...

I hate metacritic and amazon trolls. It really is a good game and is much better than the vast majority of "blockbuster" games. I personally don't hate the ending (don't love it either), but even with a bad ending I'd take Mass effect over halo/cod/uncharted/gears/battlefield ANY DAY.

Pretty much that. And I think I'll write a review later at some point since there should be a counterbalance to this kind of crap - not that I'd bother with metacritic since it's useless.

[firebreather19]

Xenolithium wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Not really, all those new copies are already bought and paid for. Plus used copies get easier added on Prothean DLC. Not quite as simple as you think.

Yes really...

Say 1000 people want to buy ME3. 

700 buy it new, that money goes to EA/Bioware. 
500 Return it and they become used copies. 
100 more buy it new; but 200 buy it used. 

So 1000 people have copies now. 
800 contribute to EA/Bioware's pocket. 
200 Do not. 


Regardless of how many have been bought before, EA/Bioware is losing money because used copies are available. I now have completely dimissed your claims about used copies,a nd the fact that you work at a store; because this is basic stuff you should know.

Oh man, he just pulled out the good old "Good Day Sir!" the other dude!

No, there's no "700 buy it new, the money goes to EA."

It's 1000 are purchased from EA by the store. 

Then the rest.

EA gets the money right away, sorry.