Asnine112 wrote...
And funnily enough, this Saracen personality , as always, continues to ignore the more well presented arguments against the ending. Master baiter if I ever saw one.
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Total Biscuit wrote...
Why does this tiny, TINY minority of people keep making so many threads saying the exact same thing, as if they're vastly unpopular opinion is fact?
Why not just post in one of the other 2 percenters threads if your just going to trot out the same irrelevant arguments? I suppose it makes it look like there are more of them maybe? or just that the endings only appeal to people who don't really think things through or work logically, since that describes the endings too.
It's just so annoying to get this vocal little minority filling half the forum wih the same nonesense.
Wow; please read your own post again in Hitler sounding voice. So in your opinion a 'vocal little minority' doesn't have the sames rights as what you percieve to be the 'vocal large minority?" What if those who saw the positives in this game, who are satisfied that Shep's story is over and we got the conclusion to all plots and sub-plots: did not all feel the need to post in the forums because they have no desire to **** about the last 3 minutes of a fantastic game?
Screw that 'by your own bootstraps' crap. TALI AND THE QUARIANS WANT TO GO HOME. Same for the other species. Hell, even a lot of humans aren't from Earth. Shepard and I had just got done brokering GALACTIC peace, Geth and all, and now the galactic community is in RUINS. That's bad.Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Reapers gone, galaxy can now set it's own rules on how to develop instead of using reaper tech to build everything. How is this bad?
Ibecomedeath wrote...
Yeah, that the ending missed about 99% of the plot...
Ibecomedeath wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Asnine112 wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Uezurii wrote...
Changing where the ending starts does not change the fact that the last 20 minutes or so of the game were poorly executed.Genera1Nemesis wrote...
The entire game was the end of the story, not just the last 5 minutes.
20 minutes? I'm assuming you're talking about when you meet Catalyst? That was only like 5 minutes of dialogue, and then a 3 minute cutscene. And that still doens't mean that Mass Effect 3 as a WHOLE was not the end of the story. Throughout the game we were given resolution to every MAJOR and MINOR conflict that arose for out character since ME1. Just because you didn't like the Catalyst part or the three last choices in the end does not mean that your choices NEVER counted.
How many choices were you given at the end (last five minutes) of Mass Effect 2?
Funny you mention this.
You know what the difference is?
The choice was framed within the context of what had happened earlier in the game. I'm pretty sure that if the 2 choices that came after the suicide run in ME2 were completely disassociated with the rest of the game people would've raged at ME2 as well.
And funnily enough, this Saracen personality , as always, continues to ignore the more well presented arguments against the ending. Master baiter if I ever saw one.
ME3 story is about stopping Reapers.
ME3 ending saw the Reapers stopped. Did I miss something?
Yeah, that the ending missed about 99% of the plot...
With such a narrow minded view on the story of Mass Effect, then yeah... I dont blame you for not seeing the choice arguement of the ending. Nect to that, we never actually see the Reapers getting stopped, except for the Destroy ending, but guess what, shepard wakes up in stone rubble then, which the citadel isn't made out of, which was also exploding, not to mention the Catalyst said shepard would die picking destroy. So did you really stop them or not?Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Asnine112 wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Uezurii wrote...
Changing where the ending starts does not change the fact that the last 20 minutes or so of the game were poorly executed.Genera1Nemesis wrote...
The entire game was the end of the story, not just the last 5 minutes.
20 minutes? I'm assuming you're talking about when you meet Catalyst? That was only like 5 minutes of dialogue, and then a 3 minute cutscene. And that still doens't mean that Mass Effect 3 as a WHOLE was not the end of the story. Throughout the game we were given resolution to every MAJOR and MINOR conflict that arose for out character since ME1. Just because you didn't like the Catalyst part or the three last choices in the end does not mean that your choices NEVER counted.
How many choices were you given at the end (last five minutes) of Mass Effect 2?
Funny you mention this.
You know what the difference is?
The choice was framed within the context of what had happened earlier in the game. I'm pretty sure that if the 2 choices that came after the suicide run in ME2 were completely disassociated with the rest of the game people would've raged at ME2 as well.
And funnily enough, this Saracen personality , as always, continues to ignore the more well presented arguments against the ending. Master baiter if I ever saw one.
ME3 story is about stopping Reapers.
ME3 ending saw the Reapers stopped. Did I miss something?
Asnine112 wrote...
Reads article
Notices author didn't finish game
Notices is Saracen thread
Leaves
LucidStrike wrote...
Screw that 'by your own bootstraps' crap. TALI AND THE QUARIANS WANT TO GO HOME. Same for the other species. Hell, even a lot of humans aren't from Earth. Shepard and I had just got done brokering GALACTIC peace, Geth and all, and now the galactic community is in RUINS. That's bad.Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Reapers gone, galaxy can now set it's own rules on how to develop instead of using reaper tech to build everything. How is this bad?
Baronesa wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Total Biscuit wrote...
Why does this tiny, TINY minority of people keep making so many threads saying the exact same thing, as if they're vastly unpopular opinion is fact?
Why not just post in one of the other 2 percenters threads if your just going to trot out the same irrelevant arguments? I suppose it makes it look like there are more of them maybe? or just that the endings only appeal to people who don't really think things through or work logically, since that describes the endings too.
It's just so annoying to get this vocal little minority filling half the forum wih the same nonesense.
Wow; please read your own post again in Hitler sounding voice. So in your opinion a 'vocal little minority' doesn't have the sames rights as what you percieve to be the 'vocal large minority?" What if those who saw the positives in this game, who are satisfied that Shep's story is over and we got the conclusion to all plots and sub-plots: did not all feel the need to post in the forums because they have no desire to **** about the last 3 minutes of a fantastic game?
What we have here is a group of people saying: Change or ADD more options to the endings, as a true final chapter of an RPG trilogy should have... more options...
And then another segment saying "don't change anything"
Basically, one portion saying, give us all more choice, and the other denying or trying to block others from having more choice...
Analogy: We want equality of marriage. Marriage should only be between men and women.
You liked the game ending? good for you, I'm happy you did. Would it really hurt your "rights" to add more options to the ending to satisfy the rest of the peopel who didn't enjoyed it? would having more options really detract from your own experience?
there is no A, B, C ending? Are you serious, right after the Catalyst stops talking, you get the 3 options pushed in your face, and you're saying that's not A, B, C? Oh wait, you're right, it's just A because it's the same cutscene with slight adjustments.saracen16 wrote...
Asnine112 wrote...
And funnily enough, this Saracen personality , as always, continues to ignore the more well presented arguments against the ending. Master baiter if I ever saw one.
Look who's talking. If you actually take the time to read my posts, you'll realize that I addressed every single argument presented. There's no A, B, C ending.
Why don't you get off that imaginary pedestal of yours and actually deal with the OP?
Wait...Huh? The SAME converstaion leads to the three choices with pretty much the same cinematic and you say there's no A,B,C ending? Are you serious? *Pulls up a chair* I GOTTA hear this explanation. o_osaracen16 wrote...
There's no A, B, C ending.
Adam-Sadface wrote...
Asnine112 wrote...
Reads article
Notices author didn't finish game
Notices is Saracen thread
Leaves
A wise road to follow.
Uezurii wrote...
there is no A, B, C ending? Are you serious, right after the Catalyst stops talking, you get the 3 options pushed in your face, and you're saying that's not A, B, C? Oh wait, you're right, it's just A because it's the same cutscene with slight adjustments.saracen16 wrote...
Asnine112 wrote...
And funnily enough, this Saracen personality , as always, continues to ignore the more well presented arguments against the ending. Master baiter if I ever saw one.
Look who's talking. If you actually take the time to read my posts, you'll realize that I addressed every single argument presented. There's no A, B, C ending.
Why don't you get off that imaginary pedestal of yours and actually deal with the OP?
Dude the arguements you bring in about Love Interest this, love interest that, especially about the Rachni, are so irrelevant that now I actually think you're trolling.saracen16 wrote...
Baronesa wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Total Biscuit wrote...
Why does this tiny, TINY minority of people keep making so many threads saying the exact same thing, as if they're vastly unpopular opinion is fact?
Why not just post in one of the other 2 percenters threads if your just going to trot out the same irrelevant arguments? I suppose it makes it look like there are more of them maybe? or just that the endings only appeal to people who don't really think things through or work logically, since that describes the endings too.
It's just so annoying to get this vocal little minority filling half the forum wih the same nonesense.
Wow; please read your own post again in Hitler sounding voice. So in your opinion a 'vocal little minority' doesn't have the sames rights as what you percieve to be the 'vocal large minority?" What if those who saw the positives in this game, who are satisfied that Shep's story is over and we got the conclusion to all plots and sub-plots: did not all feel the need to post in the forums because they have no desire to **** about the last 3 minutes of a fantastic game?
What we have here is a group of people saying: Change or ADD more options to the endings, as a true final chapter of an RPG trilogy should have... more options...
And then another segment saying "don't change anything"
Basically, one portion saying, give us all more choice, and the other denying or trying to block others from having more choice...
Analogy: We want equality of marriage. Marriage should only be between men and women.
You liked the game ending? good for you, I'm happy you did. Would it really hurt your "rights" to add more options to the ending to satisfy the rest of the peopel who didn't enjoyed it? would having more options really detract from your own experience?
Horrible analogy: there was no option to make love to the Rachni queen in ME1. I wanted to sleep with that ancient beauty, but BioWare didn't let me. And face it, really: the developers gave us hard decisions. They gave us choice, but they didn't give us EVERY SINGLE choice. Remember ME1's tagline: "Many decisions lie ahead... none of them easy".
saracen16 wrote...
Ibecomedeath wrote...
Yeah, that the ending missed about 99% of the plot...
You really think so? If anything, the ending answered 100% of all questions about the Reapers and how to stop them. The rest of the game dealt with all the major plots and subplots. You seriously think that the developers can sneak in Kasumi Goto and Keiji in their, too?
LucidStrike wrote...
Wait...Huh? The SAME converstaion leads to the three choices with pretty much the same cinematic and you say there's no A,B,C ending? Are you serious? *Pulls up a chair* I GOTTA hear this explanation. o_osaracen16 wrote...
There's no A, B, C ending.
Uezurii wrote...
Dude the arguements you bring in about Love Interest this, love interest that, especially about the Rachni, are so irrelevant that now I actually think you're trolling.saracen16 wrote...
Baronesa wrote...
Genera1Nemesis wrote...
Total Biscuit wrote...
Why does this tiny, TINY minority of people keep making so many threads saying the exact same thing, as if they're vastly unpopular opinion is fact?
Why not just post in one of the other 2 percenters threads if your just going to trot out the same irrelevant arguments? I suppose it makes it look like there are more of them maybe? or just that the endings only appeal to people who don't really think things through or work logically, since that describes the endings too.
It's just so annoying to get this vocal little minority filling half the forum wih the same nonesense.
Wow; please read your own post again in Hitler sounding voice. So in your opinion a 'vocal little minority' doesn't have the sames rights as what you percieve to be the 'vocal large minority?" What if those who saw the positives in this game, who are satisfied that Shep's story is over and we got the conclusion to all plots and sub-plots: did not all feel the need to post in the forums because they have no desire to **** about the last 3 minutes of a fantastic game?
What we have here is a group of people saying: Change or ADD more options to the endings, as a true final chapter of an RPG trilogy should have... more options...
And then another segment saying "don't change anything"
Basically, one portion saying, give us all more choice, and the other denying or trying to block others from having more choice...
Analogy: We want equality of marriage. Marriage should only be between men and women.
You liked the game ending? good for you, I'm happy you did. Would it really hurt your "rights" to add more options to the ending to satisfy the rest of the peopel who didn't enjoyed it? would having more options really detract from your own experience?
Horrible analogy: there was no option to make love to the Rachni queen in ME1. I wanted to sleep with that ancient beauty, but BioWare didn't let me. And face it, really: the developers gave us hard decisions. They gave us choice, but they didn't give us EVERY SINGLE choice. Remember ME1's tagline: "Many decisions lie ahead... none of them easy".
Fact is, is that the ending of this game, see THIS GAME, not the entire trilogy, which means the last 15 minutes or so, is handled poorly. You can say whatever you want, but that wont make the plot holes go away and inconsistencies.
Nu-Nu wrote...
I'm gonna be lazy and copy and pasted what I wrote in another thread about artistic intergrity (I'm a graphic designer working for a stuido and sometimes you have no control over what happens) -
I seriously doubt Bioware even had full control over their creativity. EA buisnessmen in suits who aren't trained in anything creative will stick their nose in and interfere with the creative process. No creative group who works for a corporate business which is all about making money will ever have full control over their creativity. No, such thing as creative integrity when it comes to ruthless buisnesses.
Since Bioware usually has a great track record, I can only assume EA stuck their nose in the ending.
This link is for web design, but can be used across all creative fields - theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell Just imagine those customers as EA businessmen.
Ibecomedeath wrote...
saracen16 wrote...
Ibecomedeath wrote...
Yeah, that the ending missed about 99% of the plot...
You really think so? If anything, the ending answered 100% of all questions about the Reapers and how to stop them. The rest of the game dealt with all the major plots and subplots. You seriously think that the developers can sneak in Kasumi Goto and Keiji in their, too?
I dunno, maybe I was dazzled by the laser show, but that ending answered nothing and only created more questions, questions which you seem to be ignoring from everyone else, such as how the hell did Joker, Edi and Liara (in my ending) end up trying to outrun the blast and then crash on some jungle planet, when Edi was on the mission with me, and I had just said goodbye to Liara on Earth while Joker should have been upto to his arse in Reapers trying to shoot at him along with the rest of the fleet...
Nothing that happened in the final minutes makes any real sense if you actually look at it from the matter-of-fact style of the rest of the game... Bioware gave us Mass Effect with a Final Fantasy ending... All it did was create more questions and some pretty major plot holes...
Uezurii wrote...
Dude the arguements you bring in about Love Interest this, love interest that, especially about the Rachni, are so irrelevant that now I actually think you're trolling.
Fact is, is that the ending of this game, see THIS GAME, not the entire trilogy, which means the last 15 minutes or so, is handled poorly. You can say whatever you want, but that wont make the plot holes go away and inconsistencies.
Modifié par saracen16, 16 mars 2012 - 11:31 .
Yes it is, just because you start filling in the blanks and imagine the choices you made will work out fine, doesn't mean the ending wasn't A, B, C. No matter what you do, most people, or even all, we never see them escape, are killed on the Citadel, including your Conrad Verner who walked happily into the sunset. In all endings, that massive fleet you collected, are stranded next to Earth, without the resources to get home, no matter what choices you made. The Normandy will always crash too, and magically, your squadmates that were running right behind you when Harbinger hit you, are there too.saracen16 wrote...
Uezurii wrote...
there is no A, B, C ending? Are you serious, right after the Catalyst stops talking, you get the 3 options pushed in your face, and you're saying that's not A, B, C? Oh wait, you're right, it's just A because it's the same cutscene with slight adjustments.saracen16 wrote...
Asnine112 wrote...
And funnily enough, this Saracen personality , as always, continues to ignore the more well presented arguments against the ending. Master baiter if I ever saw one.
Look who's talking. If you actually take the time to read my posts, you'll realize that I addressed every single argument presented. There's no A, B, C ending.
Why don't you get off that imaginary pedestal of yours and actually deal with the OP?
This is what I said in the OP:
-I saved Wrex and Maelon's data and Mordin himself in the previous
games, and that ended up with Eve getting saved during the cure
extraction procedure and saved the Krogans from the genophage. With Wrex
in charge, he wants to expand krogan territory. With Eve still alive
thanks to Maelon's data, she will act as a balancing influence.
-I gave Tali the geth data, and I absolved her in her trial. I rescued
Legion instead of selling him to Cerberus, and I rewrote the heretics,
who became even stronger afterwards (clearly a mistake?). I saved both
the Geth and the Quarians, and Legion sacrificed himself. That left me
with both cooperating for a better future on Rannoch and ultimately geth
uploading into Quarian hardsuits so the Quarians can better adapt to
Rannoch's atmosphere.
- I saved the council. I saved Thane. And
I saved Kolyat from what he was about to do. The Salarian councillor
offered his help in the end to the war effort. The Destiny Ascension
also joined the ranks of the war assets. Thane saved the councillor from
Kai Leng and ended up dying. Both Kolyat and I were on the deathbed of
Thane. Thane dies. Beautiful ending.
- I didn't alienate Conrad
Verner. I saved Gavin Hossle's data. I helped Jenna in Chora's Den.
I retrieved the writings of Matriarch Dilinaga. I helped him on Ilium. I
see him again on the Citadel, and persuade him to join our side. He has
a thesis on dark energy with information that needs to be translated.
He calls in a favor - GAVIN HOSSLE - to help him out. Shepard gives him
ancient Asari texts to help him complete his work. He jumps in front of
Shepard and saves him from the Cerberus agent. Turns out the agent's gun
was sabotaged by Jenna, and he was left alive in the end. They both
walk into the sunset to help with the Crucible.
- I paragoned Khalisah from the beginning, up to the end. She became a war asset.
- I saved the Rachni on Noveria. I killed the Rachni on Utukku. Problem solved.
-I destroyed the Reapers at the end. What will the Quarians do without
the Geth? What if I synthesized organics and synthetics? How will the
relationship between Quarians and Geth change?
This is the entire story. It's not A, B, C.
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