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[Elios]

CavScout wrote...

Alizonius wrote...

One thing that explains all the plotholes. 

Spees Magickz! 

People complaining about "space magic" after playing three games using the force biotics to thrash people is funny.

you can "tech" things but you can take it to far
Biotics cant do every thing just like "the force" they have limits

[Sinquanto1123]

CavScout wrote...

Alizonius wrote...

One thing that explains all the plotholes. 

Spees Magickz! 

People complaining about "space magic" after playing three games using the force biotics to thrash people is funny.

uh, biotics are caused by exposure to element 0 which affects mass (and thus gravitational) fields.  Thus, they are able to push and pull people by changing the gravitational pokets around the area.  While this may seem a little far fetched, it has a fairly decent hold upon the physics presented through the world of Mass Effect and as such isn't some space magic introduced at the last 10 minutes of the game.

[Eyjh]

Why would the reapers even allow Shepherd to control them? Technically that does not solve any of their problems.
Pay close attention to the scene depicting the chain explosion of the Mass Relays, it doesn't start in the Sol system but in Batarian space, but the previous animation clearly shows the the Sol relay was the first to explode, because the Citadel is in the system.
In all previous cases, the subtitle always correctly tells you who the person is, even before they introduce themselves in the game. i.e. Saren was subtitled 'Saren' the name was revealed to the player via dialogue. The 'Child', however, is subtitled 'The Child', not the 'Catalyst', although he claims to be the Catalyst.
How does Shepherd survive a violent re-entry to earth in the Destroy ending? We know that Shepherd is not very good at surviving re-entries into planets, despite how tough he is.
How does Shepherd know how to open the Citedal's arms?
Why is he contacted only by Admiral Hacket and Anderson? If he had communications, shouldn't he also be contacted by the Normandy and the ground team?
The Illusive man seems completely out of character (although this may be due to indoctrination)
The destructive explosion of the Mass Relays should wipe out the entire system.

More to come.

Modifié par Eyjh, 16 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[Mobius-Silent]

If the Reapers retreated to Sol to protect the Citadel, why does the destroy/control wave need to travel the entire galaxy?

[CavScout]

MadMatt910 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Alizonius wrote...

One thing that explains all the plotholes. 

Spees Magickz! 

People complaining about "space magic" after playing three games using the force biotics to thrash people is funny.

Biotics are based on using dark energy, the same process used to generate the mass effect. So that is actually explained in the codex.

Explained magic is still magic.

[MadMatt910]

Abirn wrote...

I don't think the novels should be valid sources for a lore in a video game. If its not in the game it's not cannon

As much as i agree, im trying to give the endings the best possibel chance here.

If they still cant be answered it really presents huge problems.

[Eyjh]

CavScout wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Alizonius wrote...

One thing that explains all the plotholes. 

Spees Magickz! 

People complaining about "space magic" after playing three games using the force biotics to thrash people is funny.

Biotics are based on using dark energy, the same process used to generate the mass effect. So that is actually explained in the codex.

Explained magic is still magic.

So, if starting fire was previously thought to be magic by our cavemen ancesters, but now science explains it, is it still magic?

Look up the definition of magic please.

Modifié par Eyjh, 16 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[Uezurii]

Abirn wrote...

I don't think the novels should be valid sources for a lore in a video game. If its not in the game it's not cannon

The Mass Effect books are though, all books get mentioned in all 3 games. Andersons past which was the first book, the Cerberus attack on the Quarians is mentioned in ME2, which was in the second book, and in ME3, they mentioned Graysons body being altered with Reaper tech and that Anderson encountered Leng at Omega again. Not to forget that anderson also mentions he shot Leng in his legs. So the books are definatly canon.

[jayYyYy]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't the presidium council room control panel the only place to open the citadel in mass effect 1?

[Ultra Prism]

I started to buy this Space Magic, which makes perfect sense to all the bull

[Elios]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

If the Reapers retreated to Sol to protect the Citadel, why does the destroy/control wave need to travel the entire galaxy?

this is a good question if the Bulk of the fleet is in Sol any way

[jayYyYy]

Eyjh wrote...

CavScout wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Alizonius wrote...

One thing that explains all the plotholes. 

Spees Magickz! 

People complaining about "space magic" after playing three games using the force biotics to thrash people is funny.

Biotics are based on using dark energy, the same process used to generate the mass effect. So that is actually explained in the codex.

Explained magic is still magic.

So, if starting fire was previously thought to be magic, but science explains it, is it still magic?

Look up the definition of magic please.

Please continue...?

[WarBaby2]

Hm, there is another one:

Destroy ending: Destroyes ALL synthtic life...
Control ending: Controls ONLY the reapers?

Why did the reapers not control all synthetic life?
Why could we not only destroy the reapers?

This doesn't add up, no matter how you look at it...

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Kanub wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

Kanub wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

1) In ME2, what was the point of the human reaper or the collectors?

2) How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?

Right, I don't like the ending, but those two are explained.

1) Ghost Boy tells you that the Reapers 'record' each species they wipe out as a means of honouring them (in a sick kinda way.) The human reaper wasn't for any particular war reason, it was just a record of humanity for their scary archives.

2) Because the reapers don't wipe out all organice life, just the advanced stuff. Their argument is that eventually these advanced species would make synthetics that WOULD wipe out all organic life, completely. The reapers allow unevolved and primitve life to continue, untill such a point where it has the technology to be a threat to itself. 

Thus the claim that they are in fact preserving life in the galaxy.

1) ok fair enough, i missed that.
2) This still begs the question why didnt the reapers just tell the advanced civilisations not to do it?

Can't answer that. Or why don't the Reapers just come in and kill the synthetics when they get too rowdy? So yeah, it answers your first question, but it simply begs more answers with that question.

Reapers can't just "tell" organics not to do something. Organics don't do what they're told. Also the catalyst implies that synthetics would grow too powerful to be stopped by the reapers. Still, I agree that it wouldn't be impossible to just show up before that happens but I guess it's just too risky for the reapers to consider it.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 16 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[Captain Arty]

My two/three big gripes:

What was the significance of London?
What was the significance of the human reaper?
Why are humans so special that the Reapers are focusing on them?

All of that could have been tied together and just wasn't.

Modifié par Captain Arty, 16 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[MadMatt910]

Captain Arty wrote...

My two/three big gripes:

What was the significance of London?
What was the significance of the human reaper?
Why are humans so special that the Reapers are focusing on them?

All of that could have been tied together and just wasn't.

Not sure with london but other 2 are answered with dark energy ending.

In the current ending, im told that the human reaper is a trophy of humans as a conquest by the reapers, theoretically each species woudl have one.

[Glitch007]

Made me lol:

[FOX216BC]

How did anderson  get to the control panel before shepard?
Wasn't he running behind shepard and how did he get up there whitout a scratch?

Modifié par FOX216BC, 16 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[MadMatt910]

FOX216BC wrote...

How did anderson  get to the control panel before shepard?
Wasn't he running behind shepard and how did he get up there whitout a scratch?

This brushed off as anderson coming out at a different point to shepard

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

If the Reapers retreated to Sol to protect the Citadel, why does the destroy/control wave need to travel the entire galaxy?

Are you 100% sure that every single reaper left to protect the citadel? It seemed to imply there are several hundred or maybe even 1000 reapers but you don't see anywhere near that number.

Either way, with the destroy ending, you're not just wiping out reapers, you're wiping out the reapers, all synthetic life, and, seemingly, all reaper tech. The relays and citadel (even though you never see it completely destroyed) are, therefore, destroyed aswell.

[jayYyYy]

MadMatt910 wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

How did anderson  get to the control panel before shepard?
Wasn't he running behind shepard and how did he get up there whitout a scratch?

This brushed off as anderson coming out at a different point to shepard

Except if you look closely, the way shepard is walking is the only way that leads to that room.

[FOX216BC]

Arcian wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

How can shepard breath in space when talking to the catalyst?

The same way the Citadel has open yet breathable streets - mass effect fields can contain gasses.

And why is he still breathing after you destroy the reapers and the citadel?
And why does the rubble look like concrete?

[jumpingkaede]

MadMatt910 wrote...

How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?

Would just like to point out that a lot of people say this isn't a plothole (I'm looking at you Penny Arcade) because the Reapers aren't killing organics they are pruning organics.  That is, they are only harvesting advanced civilizations (e.g., Protheans 50,000 years ago) while leaving behind the unadvanced ones (e.g., Hanar, Asari, Salarians 50,000 years ago).

As I read it, that only really works if one or more of the following is true:

1)  If synthetics take over somehow, they go from planet-to-planet, system-to-system, wiping out all organic life.  So they would've wiped out the Protheans 50,000 years ago, and then also wiped out the Hanar, Asari, and Salarians, etc.  

2) The reapers, by leaving the Mass Relays behind, have the evolution process down to a science: it takes 50,000 years for organic species -- any organic species -- to build synthetics and AI up to the point where they become a real threat to organics.  Assumption is that the Quarians wouldn't have built the Geth say, 1,000 years ago, and then doomed the galaxy as in (1) before the Reapers could arrive.

3) After 50,000 years in this cycle the Geth weren't really a threat to organics so Sovereign thought, "Screw it, if they won't revolt against organics on their own I'm going to make them." 



4) That there's a reason to maintain these cycles and prevent the AIs from taking over.

5) Anything else?

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 16 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[MadMatt910]

jayYyYy wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

How did anderson  get to the control panel before shepard?
Wasn't he running behind shepard and how did he get up there whitout a scratch?

This brushed off as anderson coming out at a different point to shepard

Except if you look closely, the way shepard is walking is the only way that leads to that room.

Oh i agree its BS, thats just the explanation we get.