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[Avissel]

jayYyYy wrote...
Except if you look closely, the way shepard is walking is the only way that leads to that room.

The beam functions like a Mass Relay, things that through it do not come out in the exact same spot every time. This is brought at the start of ME1 when Joker mentions "Drift" coming out of the Relay.

Shepard and Anderson go in, Anderson exits further down the Hallway than Shepard did. Anderson appears to be less injured than Shepard so he is able to move faster and you are unable to catch up.

[Keltikone]

The worst bit for me was the circular logic of synthetics killing organics to prevent .... synthetics killing organics ?


And since its so goood:

Modifié par Keltikone, 16 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[FOX216BC]

if the reapers are synthetics controled by the cata...god child vi, does that mean they destroyed their organic creators? seriously they must have started somewhere.

[Beanicus]

You do have to be fair to Sovereign in ME, we can't understand the reapers' motivation!

[Enraged Sympathizer]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

To add to your list: Why does TIM look so mutilated when all he did is perform surgery without anaesthetics?

Indoctination. People eventually turning in to husks by just contact with Reaper tech, Dragons teeth just speeds up the process. TIM put the tech in him which would have sped up his indoctrination like when Saren tells you about how Soveriegn "upgraded"s him after Virmire.

Modifié par Enraged Sympathizer, 16 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Enraged Sympathizer]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

To add to your list: Why does TIM look so mutilated when all he did is perform surgery without anaesthetics?

Indoctination. People eventually turning in to husks by just contact with Reaper tech, Dragons teeth just speeds up the process. TIM put the tech in him which would have sped up his indoctrination like when Saren tells you about how Soveriegn "upgraded"s him.

[FOX216BC]

Avissel wrote...

jayYyYy wrote...
Except if you look closely, the way shepard is walking is the only way that leads to that room.

The beam functions like a Mass Relay, things that through it do not come out in the exact same spot every time. This is brought at the start of ME1 when Joker mentions "Drift" coming out of the Relay.

Shepard and Anderson go in, Anderson exits further down the Hallway than Shepard did. Anderson appears to be less injured than Shepard so he is able to move faster and you are unable to catch up.

If you listen to the Alliance radio chatter when shepard is getting up.
They didn't see anyone get up that beam. 

Modifié par FOX216BC, 16 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[FOX216BC]

miss quote sorry

Modifié par FOX216BC, 16 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[oyukichan]

Sinquanto1123 wrote...
also, if the catalyst is the citadel, why would he have allowed the Protheans to put a mini Mass Relay on the station? He had to know what it was. Why not just have the Keepers sabotage it? And even if he found it a bit cute that these primitives did so, why then when they came to change the "Keeper signal" would he have allowed that. He can still communicate to the Reapers, otherwise how could he allow Shepard to gain control of them? So, why would the Keepers even be needed to send the signal?

Also, if all advanced tech is gone, the Quarians are dead even if they can land safely as their suits no longer function to keep them safe from pathogens, and the Volus all just popped like balloons.

Since this hasn't been answered yet... The Relay on the Citadel has always been there. The Protheans didn't put it there. The Protheans built the Conduit on Ilos as a one-way access to the Relay already existing on the Citadel.

Protheans somehow prevented Reapers from telling Keepers to open up the Citadel Relay in their cycle which is why Saren (and Sovereign) needed to get to the Conduit on Ilos to get to the Citadel instead of the way the Reapers normally begin their invasion.

Edit: Also, according to the Catalyst/child (if anyone's going to put any stock into that at all), Shep is the first organic up there. You do not run into the Catalyst anywhere else on the Citadel so it can be safely assumed that they only exist in that one space and may not have any control over the Keepers at all. OR what the Protheans did also disabled the Catalyst's communication with the Keepers.

Still doesn't answer many questions, but not all questions in this list are unanswered.

Modifié par AurinShepard, 16 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[MadMatt910]

AurinShepard wrote...

Sinquanto1123 wrote...
also, if the catalyst is the citadel, why would he have allowed the Protheans to put a mini Mass Relay on the station? He had to know what it was. Why not just have the Keepers sabotage it? And even if he found it a bit cute that these primitives did so, why then when they came to change the "Keeper signal" would he have allowed that. He can still communicate to the Reapers, otherwise how could he allow Shepard to gain control of them? So, why would the Keepers even be needed to send the signal?

Also, if all advanced tech is gone, the Quarians are dead even if they can land safely as their suits no longer function to keep them safe from pathogens, and the Volus all just popped like balloons.

Since this hasn't been answered yet... The Relay on the Citadel has always been there. The Protheans didn't put it there. The Protheans built the Conduit on Ilos as a one-way access to the Relay already existing on the Citadel.

Protheans somehow prevented Reapers from telling Keepers to open up the Citadel Relay in their cycle which is why Saren (and Sovereign) needed to get to the Conduit on Ilos to get to the Citadel instead of the way the Reapers normally begin their invasion.

As a massive BUT.

Since catalyst controls citadel, why did anyone have to go there. Saren and sovereign are rendered pointless by god child.

[Rulycar]

I have one question:

Is Element Zero a sentient species?
Is Element Zero causing the supernovae in self-defence?
Do reapers harvest advanced civilizations to prevent the coming war between Element Zero and Organics?

Because pre ME1 this was the story being discussed.

Modifié par Rulycar, 16 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[oyukichan]

MadMatt910 wrote...

AurinShepard wrote...

Sinquanto1123 wrote...
also, if the catalyst is the citadel, why would he have allowed the Protheans to put a mini Mass Relay on the station? He had to know what it was. Why not just have the Keepers sabotage it? And even if he found it a bit cute that these primitives did so, why then when they came to change the "Keeper signal" would he have allowed that. He can still communicate to the Reapers, otherwise how could he allow Shepard to gain control of them? So, why would the Keepers even be needed to send the signal?

Also, if all advanced tech is gone, the Quarians are dead even if they can land safely as their suits no longer function to keep them safe from pathogens, and the Volus all just popped like balloons.

Since this hasn't been answered yet... The Relay on the Citadel has always been there. The Protheans didn't put it there. The Protheans built the Conduit on Ilos as a one-way access to the Relay already existing on the Citadel.

Protheans somehow prevented Reapers from telling Keepers to open up the Citadel Relay in their cycle which is why Saren (and Sovereign) needed to get to the Conduit on Ilos to get to the Citadel instead of the way the Reapers normally begin their invasion.

As a massive BUT.

Since catalyst controls citadel, why did anyone have to go there. Saren and sovereign are rendered pointless by god child.

Does the Catalyst ever say he controls the Citadel? I cannot remember.

[jayYyYy]

The catalyst only says the citadel is his home.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Also says that "the citadel is part of me." Or "the catalyst is part of me."

Pretty sure it's the 1st one, seeing as he/it is the catalyst.

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 16 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[TheGunslinger]

jayYyYy wrote...

The catalyst only says the citadel is his home.

And that it is a part of him. 


EDIT:  Kai Leng'd. 

Modifié par TheGunslinger, 16 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Avissel]

AurinShepard wrote...
Does the Catalyst ever say he controls the Citadel? I cannot remember.

He describes it as "his home" and "part of me".

Ethier: A. He controls it, and Sovriegn was pointless, as was Arrival
or B: He does NOT control it, which means that he has built in limitations, meaing he is a shackeld A.I. and not everything he said should be believed completely.

[RyanPun1991]

james is Reaper sleeper agent, like the final 4 in BSG, and he heard all along the watch tower
jokes
edit: james is a reaper lolz

Modifié par RyanPun1991, 16 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[REMoyen2]

Why is the Normandy the only ship (that is not a Reaper/Relay/Citadel) that gets damaged by the rainbow explosion?

I am pretty sure that we just effectively destroyed the galactic armada and all ground forces vehicles.

[eran5005]

Some of the claims here are valid and point out serious holes in the plot and the lore, but nothing deal breaking in my opinion - inventing an entire universe around such a long and elaborate story is not easy, its actually DAMN HARD and you are bound to make mistakes and dedicated fans are bound to find them, i don't think anyone should think less of BioWare for them.
Also, some people here are damn outright nitpicking at tiniest most insignificant details they can get their hands on and i think that's not fair, you all had a ton of fun playing these games, every single one of you enjoyed this world to bits and now that the trilogy is over you enjoy picking at the some small silly mistakes sleep deprived developers overlooked when they were making one of the best gaming experiences ever?
For shame people, for shame.

[Avissel]

eran5005 wrote...

Some of the claims here are valid and point out serious holes in the plot and the lore, but nothing deal breaking in my opinion - inventing an entire universe around such a long and elaborate story is not easy, its actually DAMN HARD and you are bound to make mistakes and dedicated fans are bound to find them, i don't think anyone should think less of BioWare for them.
Also, some people here are damn outright nitpicking at tiniest most insignificant details they can get their hands on and i think that's not fair, you all had a ton of fun playing these games, every single one of you enjoyed this world to bits and now that the trilogy is over you enjoy picking at the some small silly mistakes sleep deprived developers overlooked when they were making one of the best gaming experiences ever?
For shame people, for shame.

People nitpick because they care. Go to an scifi convention and listen to the Star Wars/Trek fans. It is our emotional investment in the univearse that drives us to question it.

[Sinquanto1123]

AurinShepard wrote...

Sinquanto1123 wrote...
also, if the catalyst is the citadel, why would he have allowed the Protheans to put a mini Mass Relay on the station? He had to know what it was. Why not just have the Keepers sabotage it? And even if he found it a bit cute that these primitives did so, why then when they came to change the "Keeper signal" would he have allowed that. He can still communicate to the Reapers, otherwise how could he allow Shepard to gain control of them? So, why would the Keepers even be needed to send the signal?

Also, if all advanced tech is gone, the Quarians are dead even if they can land safely as their suits no longer function to keep them safe from pathogens, and the Volus all just popped like balloons.

Since this hasn't been answered yet... The Relay on the Citadel has always been there. The Protheans didn't put it there. The Protheans built the Conduit on Ilos as a one-way access to the Relay already existing on the Citadel.

Protheans somehow prevented Reapers from telling Keepers to open up the Citadel Relay in their cycle which is why Saren (and Sovereign) needed to get to the Conduit on Ilos to get to the Citadel instead of the way the Reapers normally begin their invasion.

Edit: Also, according to the Catalyst/child (if anyone's going to put any stock into that at all), Shep is the first organic up there. You do not run into the Catalyst anywhere else on the Citadel so it can be safely assumed that they only exist in that one space and may not have any control over the Keepers at all. OR what the Protheans did also disabled the Catalyst's communication with the Keepers.

Still doesn't answer many questions, but not all questions in this list are unanswered.

Yes, but the conduit connected to the statue on the procidum... are we now to believe that that little statue is the mass relay that connects to deep space, when you need mass relays nearly the size of the citadel just to travel between parts of the galaxy?

They catalyst has the ability to comunicate to the Repears, so even if  you disable the Keepers ability to do so, he could have still called them from deep space, otherwise how would Shepard be able to control them in the first place.

To say that you put the "King" of the reapers onto what should be the center of any civilization so that you knew where to hit them and best cripple them every 50,000 years, but give him absolutely no way of knowing what those "ants" are doing onboard your space station is totally illogical and idiotic.

[MadMatt910]

eran5005 wrote...

Some of the claims here are valid and point out serious holes in the plot and the lore, but nothing deal breaking in my opinion - inventing an entire universe around such a long and elaborate story is not easy, its actually DAMN HARD and you are bound to make mistakes and dedicated fans are bound to find them, i don't think anyone should think less of BioWare for them.
Also, some people here are damn outright nitpicking at tiniest most insignificant details they can get their hands on and i think that's not fair, you all had a ton of fun playing these games, every single one of you enjoyed this world to bits and now that the trilogy is over you enjoy picking at the some small silly mistakes sleep deprived developers overlooked when they were making one of the best gaming experiences ever?
For shame people, for shame.

I can think of a lot lot more plot holes through all 3 games if you would liek to defend those as well?

Lets be honest as well, if the ending was good, consistent andconclusive then we wouldn't be constantly questioning anyway.

Ive tried to bring up major ideas as well as things that contradict what you learnt about the universe so far. I personally would buy dlc if bioware sorted this ending out. Not trying to do them down, more trying to get an ending that makes sense for the series, as well as stop people saying there are no significant plot holes.

[MadMatt910]

Avissel wrote...

AurinShepard wrote...
Does the Catalyst ever say he controls the Citadel? I cannot remember.

He describes it as "his home" and "part of me".

Ethier: A. He controls it, and Sovriegn was pointless, as was Arrival
or B: He does NOT control it, which means that he has built in limitations, meaing he is a shackeld A.I. and not everything he said should be believed completely.

Arguable B leads to even more questions...

[savionen]

eran5005 wrote...

Some of the claims here are valid and point out serious holes in the plot and the lore, but nothing deal breaking in my opinion - inventing an entire universe around such a long and elaborate story is not easy, its actually DAMN HARD and you are bound to make mistakes and dedicated fans are bound to find them, i don't think anyone should think less of BioWare for them.
Also, some people here are damn outright nitpicking at tiniest most insignificant details they can get their hands on and i think that's not fair, you all had a ton of fun playing these games, every single one of you enjoyed this world to bits and now that the trilogy is over you enjoy picking at the some small silly mistakes sleep deprived developers overlooked when they were making one of the best gaming experiences ever?
For shame people, for shame.

People will always nitpick, there will always be some sort of plotholes, but, characters being dead in one location and then being shown alive in another location isn't nitpicking. It doesn't make sense, it's so big, it breaks the 4th wall.

ME3's ending also negates ME1 and ME2 even happening. It'd be like the Emperor suddenly turning into a good guy at the end of Return of the Jedi and saying all he's ever wanted is peace.

[BigBubbaBacon]

Kanub wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

1) In ME2, what was the point of the human reaper or the collectors?

2) How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?

Right, I don't like the ending, but those two are explained.

1) Ghost Boy tells you that the Reapers 'record' each species they wipe out as a means of honouring them (in a sick kinda way.) The human reaper wasn't for any particular war reason, it was just a record of humanity for their scary archives.

2) Because the reapers don't wipe out all organice life, just the advanced stuff. Their argument is that eventually these advanced species would make synthetics that WOULD wipe out all organic life, completely. The reapers allow unevolved and primitve life to continue, untill such a point where it has the technology to be a threat to itself. 

Thus the claim that they are in fact preserving life in the galaxy.

Also, about the human Reaper, it is my understanding that the "cuddlefish" look all of the Reapers have is just a shell and that inside of that the Reaper looks like whatever it was made out of. That means that the human Reaper would have been put in one of those shells and would have looked like all of the other Reapers.