Harorrd wrote...
Protheans from ME1 do not look anything like the Protheans in ME3
never explained why the Quarian sun was expanding
Trafic was runing when the citadel was hijacked
Trafic was runing when the citadel exploded
Shallyah wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
OP is really shortsighted. Most of the answers are in the games to be found and some of the questions are wrong assumptions/wrongly phrased.
Care to elaborate?
I don't have much time, since I gotta go work, but with a quick look I can answer most of these so-claimed "plotholes".
- How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
As explained, Reapers believe advanced organics would destroy the universe's life as a whole. Reapers only harvest advanced races, and leave all primitive beings and their ecosystems intact. They also claim to "ascend" the advanced lifeforms they harvest and add them to their own form, rather than simply removing them from existence.
- Why didn't the reapers tell organics not to build synthetics rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
So evolution can follow its own pace. Reapers want organics to have free will, they just feel the need to keep them in check every 50,000 years. Besides, how would they enforce such demand?
Modifié par Halo Quea, 16 mars 2012 - 04:20 .
Abirn wrote...
I don't think the novels should be valid sources for a lore in a video game. If its not in the game it's not cannon
Modifié par BrinkFX, 16 mars 2012 - 04:38 .
BrinkFX wrote...
Abirn wrote...
I don't think the novels should be valid sources for a lore in a video game. If its not in the game it's not cannon
While they may not be completely consistent, if you read the last one by Drew you can understand why TIM may look like he does. The skin is supposed to become somewhat clearer and the cybernetics underneath glow through the skin. Maybe this answer that question through inference
Abirn wrote...
BrinkFX wrote...
Abirn wrote...
I don't think the novels should be valid sources for a lore in a video game. If its not in the game it's not cannon
While they may not be completely consistent, if you read the last one by Drew you can understand why TIM may look like he does. The skin is supposed to become somewhat clearer and the cybernetics underneath glow through the skin. Maybe this answer that question through inference
Thing is ME is a video game, it was designed to be a VIDEO GAME trilogy. I shouldn't have to buy a hundred books to get the story out of the video game.
The worst plot hole is the catalyst "living" on the citadel. Considering it could have opened the citadel relay any time it felt like, the whole trilogy was pointless and not necessary.
Halo Quea wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
OP is really shortsighted. Most of the answers are in the games to be found and some of the questions are wrong assumptions/wrongly phrased.
Care to elaborate?
I don't have much time, since I gotta go work, but with a quick look I can answer most of these so-claimed "plotholes".
- How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
As explained, Reapers believe advanced organics would destroy the universe's life as a whole. Reapers only harvest advanced races, and leave all primitive beings and their ecosystems intact. They also claim to "ascend" the advanced lifeforms they harvest and add them to their own form, rather than simply removing them from existence.
- Why didn't the reapers tell organics not to build synthetics rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
So evolution can follow its own pace. Reapers want organics to have free will, they just feel the need to keep them in check every 50,000 years. Besides, how would they enforce such demand?
Okay this is ALL WRONG.
It's a misconception on your part to believe that the Reapers leave primitive or lesser advanced civilazations in tact. They in fact don't, the cycles prove this. It doesn't matter if there are primative organics now, the Reapers have already numbered their days with plans to return and harvest them. So it really doesn't matter that they leave primatives alone right now, they are still planning to wipe them out. So ALL organics live under the Reapers shadow of death.
No matter how long it takes, EVERY organic will die and be harvested.
This is what makes these endings such an insult. Reapers don't harvest organics with any contingencies that a IF an advanced civilization should develop synthetics they will harvest them. If that was the case then only the Quarians would have been attacked, and even then Geth A.I's were created by accident.
The Reapers logic (and Bioware's) is broken. If the Reapers are so damned intelligent why wouldn't they just attack the Geth? Or remove the Geth and other synthetics from the galaxy? Instead the Reapers actually gave the Geth even MORE intelligence. They improved the Geth, made them smarter, more individualistic.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Organics are being turned into monstrous creations, mindless abominations. Life stolen, individuality denied.
MadMatt910 wrote...
Halo Quea wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
OP is really shortsighted. Most of the answers are in the games to be found and some of the questions are wrong assumptions/wrongly phrased.
Care to elaborate?
I don't have much time, since I gotta go work, but with a quick look I can answer most of these so-claimed "plotholes".
- How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
As explained, Reapers believe advanced organics would destroy the universe's life as a whole. Reapers only harvest advanced races, and leave all primitive beings and their ecosystems intact. They also claim to "ascend" the advanced lifeforms they harvest and add them to their own form, rather than simply removing them from existence.
- Why didn't the reapers tell organics not to build synthetics rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
So evolution can follow its own pace. Reapers want organics to have free will, they just feel the need to keep them in check every 50,000 years. Besides, how would they enforce such demand?
Okay this is ALL WRONG.
It's a misconception on your part to believe that the Reapers leave primitive or lesser advanced civilazations in tact. They in fact don't, the cycles prove this. It doesn't matter if there are primative organics now, the Reapers have already numbered their days with plans to return and harvest them. So it really doesn't matter that they leave primatives alone right now, they are still planning to wipe them out. So ALL organics live under the Reapers shadow of death.
No matter how long it takes, EVERY organic will die and be harvested.
This is what makes these endings such an insult. Reapers don't harvest organics with any contingencies that a IF an advanced civilization should develop synthetics they will harvest them. If that was the case then only the Quarians would have been attacked, and even then Geth A.I's were created by accident.
The Reapers logic (and Bioware's) is broken. If the Reapers are so damned intelligent why wouldn't they just attack the Geth? Or remove the Geth and other synthetics from the galaxy? Instead the Reapers actually gave the Geth even MORE intelligence. They improved the Geth, made them smarter, more individualistic.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Organics are being turned into monstrous creations, mindless abominations. Life stolen, individuality denied.
Actually theres a bit of info in me1 where you can see a vision as a caveman seeing the reapers. You need the trinket from shiala and theres a planet where you retrieve the data core. Its on there. They do leave more primitive life.
Halo Quea wrote...
Okay this is ALL WRONG.
It's a misconception on your part to believe that the Reapers leave primitive or lesser advanced civilazations in tact. They in fact don't, the cycles prove this. It doesn't matter if there are primative organics now, the Reapers have already numbered their days with plans to return and harvest them. So it really doesn't matter that they leave primatives alone right now, they are still planning to wipe them out. So ALL organics live under the Reapers shadow of death.
No matter how long it takes, EVERY organic will die and be harvested.
This is what makes these endings such an insult. Reapers don't harvest organics with any contingencies that a IF an advanced civilization should develop synthetics they will harvest them. If that was the case then only the Quarians would have been attacked, and even then Geth A.I's were created by accident.
The Reapers logic (and Bioware's) is broken. If the Reapers are so damned intelligent why wouldn't they just attack the Geth? Or remove the Geth and other synthetics from the galaxy? Instead the Reapers actually gave the Geth even MORE intelligence. They improved the Geth, made them smarter, more individualistic.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Organics are being turned into monstrous creations, mindless abominations. Life stolen, individuality denied.
Sinquanto1123 wrote...
Also, I understand that Shepard had the codex, so he could better understand the Prothean language, but if the Asari have had a fully intact Prothean beacon for over 1,000 years and it is the reason they are so much more advanced than all the other races, why the hell didn't that beacon tell them even 500 years ago about the catalyst and how it would come call in the reapers blah blah blah...
I mean, it says that it is too late when Shepard gets there, but he's been helping the Asari for a thousand years, that doesn't make much sense to me...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Sinquanto1123 wrote...
Also, I understand that Shepard had the codex, so he could better understand the Prothean language, but if the Asari have had a fully intact Prothean beacon for over 1,000 years and it is the reason they are so much more advanced than all the other races, why the hell didn't that beacon tell them even 500 years ago about the catalyst and how it would come call in the reapers blah blah blah...
I mean, it says that it is too late when Shepard gets there, but he's been helping the Asari for a thousand years, that doesn't make much sense to me...
you mean the cypher right?
Sinquanto1123 wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Sinquanto1123 wrote...
Also, I understand that Shepard had the codex, so he could better understand the Prothean language, but if the Asari have had a fully intact Prothean beacon for over 1,000 years and it is the reason they are so much more advanced than all the other races, why the hell didn't that beacon tell them even 500 years ago about the catalyst and how it would come call in the reapers blah blah blah...
I mean, it says that it is too late when Shepard gets there, but he's been helping the Asari for a thousand years, that doesn't make much sense to me...
you mean the cypher right?
yes, sorry, sometime mix up the terms in my head.
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CraniumBeavers wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
In ME1, why does sovereign tell us we can't comprehend his motivations, then they are explained simply in ME3?
Since you clearly can't. See below.MadMatt910 wrote...
In ME1, saren and sovereign lead some of the geth out of the veil to go to war with the rest of the galaxy, if not then there wouldn't have been a war, so reapers woudln't need to harvest advanced civilisations?
How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
Because Reapers do not kill all organics, whereas in a singularity synthetics will. When synthetics realize that organics should be killed, they will annihilate them all.
To clarify what "all" means here: once the synthetics win their war against organis and advanced species are extinct, synthetics will systematically go from planet to planet, star system to star system and end even the most primitive organic life found in any enviroment.
pomrink wrote...
Here's one no one notice's. How is there a human dreadnaught floating in atmosphere in the beginning of the game?
Bleachrude wrote...
pomrink wrote...
Here's one no one notice's. How is there a human dreadnaught floating in atmosphere in the beginning of the game?
I believe the codex mentions that dreadnoughts can't LAND.
Never said anything about them not being able to fly in atmosphere...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Someone put the idea of machine logic out there which helps. I.e. reapers keep thigns alive by harvesting them, they do not appreciate things like individuality or personality. They still exist.
Still mostly BS, but you know, worth factoring into thoughts.
MadMatt910 wrote...
Sinquanto1123 wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Sinquanto1123 wrote...
Also, I understand that Shepard had the codex, so he could better understand the Prothean language, but if the Asari have had a fully intact Prothean beacon for over 1,000 years and it is the reason they are so much more advanced than all the other races, why the hell didn't that beacon tell them even 500 years ago about the catalyst and how it would come call in the reapers blah blah blah...
I mean, it says that it is too late when Shepard gets there, but he's been helping the Asari for a thousand years, that doesn't make much sense to me...
you mean the cypher right?
yes, sorry, sometime mix up the terms in my head.
nitpicking aside, initial point still stands
If were mentioning things from throughout the game now too - miranda not knwoing where TIM base is?
Udinas new hair colour (
How does shepards armour get blasted off by harbinger, yet shepard is laregly in tact?
MadMatt910 wrote...
Halo Quea wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Shallyah wrote...
OP is really shortsighted. Most of the answers are in the games to be found and some of the questions are wrong assumptions/wrongly phrased.
Care to elaborate?
I don't have much time, since I gotta go work, but with a quick look I can answer most of these so-claimed "plotholes".
- How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
As explained, Reapers believe advanced organics would destroy the universe's life as a whole. Reapers only harvest advanced races, and leave all primitive beings and their ecosystems intact. They also claim to "ascend" the advanced lifeforms they harvest and add them to their own form, rather than simply removing them from existence.
- Why didn't the reapers tell organics not to build synthetics rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
So evolution can follow its own pace. Reapers want organics to have free will, they just feel the need to keep them in check every 50,000 years. Besides, how would they enforce such demand?
Okay this is ALL WRONG.
It's a misconception on your part to believe that the Reapers leave primitive or lesser advanced civilazations in tact. They in fact don't, the cycles prove this. It doesn't matter if there are primative organics now, the Reapers have already numbered their days with plans to return and harvest them. So it really doesn't matter that they leave primatives alone right now, they are still planning to wipe them out. So ALL organics live under the Reapers shadow of death.
No matter how long it takes, EVERY organic will die and be harvested.
This is what makes these endings such an insult. Reapers don't harvest organics with any contingencies that a IF an advanced civilization should develop synthetics they will harvest them. If that was the case then only the Quarians would have been attacked, and even then Geth A.I's were created by accident.
The Reapers logic (and Bioware's) is broken. If the Reapers are so damned intelligent why wouldn't they just attack the Geth? Or remove the Geth and other synthetics from the galaxy? Instead the Reapers actually gave the Geth even MORE intelligence. They improved the Geth, made them smarter, more individualistic.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Organics are being turned into monstrous creations, mindless abominations. Life stolen, individuality denied.
Actually theres a bit of info in me1 where you can see a vision as a caveman seeing the reapers. You need the trinket from shiala and theres a planet where you retrieve the data core. Its on there. They do leave more primitive life.
Modifié par MnMH, 16 mars 2012 - 05:16 .
MadMatt910 wrote...
Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy (a la indoctrination)
RogueBot wrote...
MadMatt910 wrote...
Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy (a la indoctrination)
Good topic, but this one's kind of silly. He complains because there IS a humming noise in the cargo hold. If you can't hear it, then turn up the volume. He's either being paranoid or making a joke.
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