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[Diego Benitez]

Paulinius wrote...

The Reapers reap every 50,000 years.

What if an organic race evolves quicker than expected and/or finds an intact data cache that allows them to progress and develop synthetics after 25,000 years?

It took Sovereign 50,000 years just to notice the Citadel wasn't working.

They build a way to destroy the Reapers hence the crucible it was a collabrative effort across many cycles 

[sp0ck 06]

savionen wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

Okay this is ALL WRONG.

It's a misconception on your part to believe that the Reapers leave primitive or lesser advanced civilazations in tact.  They in fact don't, the cycles prove this.  It doesn't matter if there are primative organics now, the Reapers have already numbered their days with plans to return and harvest them.  So it really doesn't matter that they leave primatives alone right now, they are still planning to wipe them out.  So ALL organics live under the Reapers shadow of death.

No matter how long it takes, EVERY organic will die and be harvested.

This is what makes these endings such an insult.  Reapers don't harvest organics with any contingencies that a IF an advanced civilization should develop synthetics they will harvest them.  If that was the case then only the Quarians would have been attacked, and even then Geth A.I's were created by accident.

The Reapers logic (and Bioware's) is broken.  If the Reapers are so damned intelligent why wouldn't they just attack the Geth? Or remove the Geth and other synthetics from the galaxy?  Instead the Reapers actually gave the Geth even MORE intelligence.  They improved the Geth, made them smarter, more individualistic. 

Meanwhile back at the ranch.  Organics are being turned into monstrous creations, mindless abominations.  Life stolen, individuality denied.  

This is great point. Why are humans the focal point of being harvested if the Quarians are responsible for the Geth? (Not to mention the Geth are peaceful, instigated by the Reapers, etc.)

Because the Reapers don't see the big picture the Starkid does.  The Reapers are slaves to the system established and maintained by the Starkid AI or whatever it is.  They are machines with a purpose.  Sentient, vastly intelligent machines, but their existence is still limited.  They don't have free will.  They fufill their purpose through the means they see as best, utilizing resources like the Geth as they see fit.

[bucyrus5000]

I did some cleaning up of the topic, I hope it helps.

Ending Critizisims, Complaints, Plotholes, & Inconsistencies...

• ME1 - Why didn't Starchild undo the Prothean's sabotage or help Saren & Sovereign given his total ability to control the Citadel?
• ME1 - Why does sovereign tell us we can't comprehend his motivations, then they are explained simply in ME3?
• ME1 - Vigil says the reapers control the mass relays when they control the citadel and could turn them off, why didn't they do so when they brought the Citadel to Earth to prevent the allies from attacking?
• ME1 - Saren and Sovereign lead some of the geth out of the veil to go to war with the rest of the galaxy, if not then there wouldn't have been a war between the geth and Quarians, so reapers woudln't need to harvest advanced civilisations?
• ME2 - What was the point of the human reaper or the collectors? Them ME3 development team pasted up a great opportunity to add some action at TIM's base; we could have had a Cerberus built Reaper to fight or use in the coming battle. They could have explained the whole point of ME2 in a short dialog or cutscene.
• ME2 - Why did the relay exploding destory the system in arrival, but didn't in ME3?
• ME2 - What happened to the dark energy idea that has been shadowed through 3 games? If dark energy isnt resolved then wont it destory every sun (2 already in me2 ageing prematurely), and so wont saving the universe be irrelevant?
• ME3 - Why is Conrad Verners dark energy dissertation considered a war asset if dark energy is irrelavnt?
• ME3 - Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy? (a la indoctrination?)
• ME3 - How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
• ME3 - Why didn't the reapers guide organics not to build synthetics, or build into themselves cybernetics to keep up with synthetic's advancement, rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
• ME3 - Why does shepard accept that Starchild, the boss of his enemy, tells him?
• ME3 - Why doesn't shepard question Starchild or mention peace with Geth or EDI?
• ME3 - How does the DNA of shepard allow for synthesis of synthetic and organic DNA?
• ME3 - Why would synthetics possibly have DNA, given its a very poor method to store information that is corrupted on every replication?
• ME3 - What would prevent the people from making new synthetics, under the synthesis ending? If they make a robot, does it magically turn into a dog?
• ME3 - Why does sheapard seem to wake up on earth; di he hallucinate/dream the ending, or did he fall from the blown up Citadel?
• ME3 - Why is the citadel made of concrete?
• ME3 - Why does the catalyst look like the child?
• ME3 - Where was the normandy going?
• ME3 - How come the normandy dropping out of FTL travel doesnt kill the crew, despite ME1 saying it would?
• ME3 - How does the crew survive the crash?
• ME3 - Why are my squadmates from earth on the Normandy?
• ME3 - Where is the planet they crash landed on?
• ME3 - How can shepard breath in space when talking to the catalyst?
• ME3 - How can shepard run to the destroy or synthesis ending, given his previous physical state?
• ME3 - Does the destroy ending wipe out all the ships in sol (all advanced technology destroyed)?

Zing Freelandcer: Why does TIM look so mutilated when all he did is perform surgery without anaesthetics?
lolalie: How does joker successfully crash land the normandy given that in the destory ending EDI would be dead, so he'd have to land manually (especially seeing how he clearly couldn't do it on his own in ME2)?

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 16 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Janus382]

 Almost all of these are good points.  My main issues besides the aforementioned ones are:
 

• Why not just wipe out all synthetic life, which would be much faster and probably easier, than pruning all advanced organic life?  Especially if said synthetic life practically treat Reapers as gods (i.e. Geth)...
• Why not leave behind one Reaper / some reaper tech, and continually indoctrinate some organic beings, to warn / steer organic civilization into NOT making synthetic life?
  
  OR
• Why don't the Reapers just hang around and say "If you make synthetic life, we're gonna wipe you out (we totally can and will), and here's why... so don't do it, and we won't have a problem, k?"

Also...

• How did the Reapers suddenly move the Citadel?
• Why have a conduit-like beam from London to the Citadel?  According to the codex, there are already Harvesters/processing ships, and no other similar beam-transportation-things are employed by the Reapers anywhere else.
• If that Citadel beam is actually important and useful... why not just transport the Citadel as soon as the invasion starts, to every planet they're Reaping on, as some kind of mobile processing / command center?  Why wait until it's under threat from Shephard / Crucible?

This is of course assuming that the Starchild's explanations and the ending(s) we have now aren't total malarkey. 

Modifié par Janus382, 16 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[Privatr16]

Not sure if all your plot holes here are fully plot holes. I would love a civil discussion/debate on my thoughts. See below.
In ME1, what was the point of sovereign or the keepers givign the god child controls the citadel?
Not sure. Catalyst admits to being changed by the addition of the Crucible. Perhaps wasn't fully able to affect those systems without it? Still a good question.
 
In ME1, why does sovereign tell us we can't comprehend his motivations, then they are explained simply in ME3?
Reapers don't fully understand themselves? Sovereign was made from a civilization of arrogant SOBs? Bad lore review?
In ME1, saren and sovereign lead some of the geth out of the veil to go to war with the rest of the galaxy, if not then there wouldn't have been a war, so reapers woudln't need to harvest advanced civilisations?
They reap at set times based on the level of civilization so the question is invalid. The reaping cycle was supposed to start around the time of the Rachni War which was also orchestrated by Sovereign. The geth incursion with Saren was a second attempt for a reaping cycle that was already triggered.
In ME2, what was the point of the human reaper or the collectors?
I think it was an attempt by the reapers to understand the species that killed one of their kind. An attempt to get a foothold against humanity and jump start the process since Sovereign already failed to start the cycle twice.
In ME2, why did the relay exploding destory the system in arrival, but people are saying they didn't in ME3?
It could be as simple as different destruction methods. If you light plastic explosive on fire it will burn up but, if you hit it with a shovel while on fire it will explode due to heat and pressure vice just heat. Similar idea hear the beams could just destabilize the energy in the relay in a controlled manner vice an uncontrolled release of energy by smacking it with a giant hammer made of rock.
Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy (a la indoctrination)
Have you ever served on any military vessel/assignment? There is always some small thing that you can hear often humming of engines/electrical systems it is perfectly normal.
How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?

Supposedly by making the races exist in reaper form. Not saying I agree but...

Why didn't the reapers tell organics not to build synthetics rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?

Why do you tell a child not to touch a hot stove? They always do it anyways.

Why doesnt shepard question the god child or mention peace with geth or edi?

Good question.

How does the DNA of shepard allow for synthesis of synthetic and organic DNA?

Super science beyond my comprehension aka space magic.

Why would synthetics possibly have DNA, given its a very poor method to store information that is corrupted onevery replication?

Not sure if reaper equivalent is real DNA or something different. Either way good question.

Why does sheapard seem to wake up on earth (due to concrete)/why is the citadel made of concrete?

Concrete in the citadel is fully possible since the Keepers just blend everything in still wouldn't explain why the citadel blowing up would still have gravity or what not after the explosion. As for making it to Earth I would have to say he never left Earth (still doesn't me indoctrination could just be any sort of thing from the injury he took by taking a reaper beam) or maybe he came down on the citadel wreckage and its mass effect fields managed to hold together just long enough for him to make it even though they were probably being undone by the destruction ending anyways. I am reaching either way.

Will make another post on the next bit.

[Sinquanto1123]

Diego Benitez wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

The Reapers reap every 50,000 years.

What if an organic race evolves quicker than expected and/or finds an intact data cache that allows them to progress and develop synthetics after 25,000 years?

It took Sovereign 50,000 years just to notice the Citadel wasn't working.

They build a way to destroy the Reapers hence the crucible it was a collabrative effort across many cycles 

And over all those many cycles, not once did they find mention of this super weapon when they took over the citadel and used it to track down the advanced races, nor any clue of it as they were wiping out said races?

[Privatr16]

Why does the catalyst look like the child?

I would go with the same logic used when doing the consensus mission for the Geth. Shepard saw what his mind wanted to see to interpret something he couldn't otherwise understand.

Where was the normandy going?

Not a clue. Don't think it would have run away from the fight honestly.

How come the normandy dropping out of FTL travel doesnt kill the crew, despite ME1 saying it would?

Dumb luck/Divine intervention is the only thing I can come up with.

How do the crew survive the crash?

Some how the mass effect systems in the ship were able to stay powered through the crash. Otherwise Dumb luck/Divine intervention.

Why are my squadmates from earth on the normandy?

Got nothing on this one.

Where is the planet they crash landed on?

Still nothing

How can shepard breath in space when talking to the catalyst?

Mass Effect fields still work at that point I would guess they are keeping the oxygen in.

How can shepard run to the destroy or synthesis ending, given his previous physical state?

Shock/Adrenaline. Have seen a man run with two broken/shattered legs and pelvis 100m from an IED strike due to shock.
Does the destroy ending wipe out all the ships in sol (all advanced technology destroyed)?

Assuming the relay and such things are more controlled breakdowns than supernovas I would assume yes. Other wise bye bye Sol System and all the rest.

What happened to the dark energy idea that has been shadowed through 3 games?

I was thinking it was something scarrier the Reapers were actually protecting the species of the galaxy from until I finished ME3. So, I don't have a clue.

If dark energy isnt resolved then wont it destory every sun (2 already in me2 ageing prematurely), and so wont saving the universe be irrelevant?

I agree with where this question is going. If something worst than reapers is out there whether an evil race or some cataclysmic event it would definately be important to figure out.

Why is conrad verners dark energy dissertation considered a war asset if dark energy is irrelavnt?

I thought mass effect fields were based on dark energy. So it is alway relelvent even in the catalyst which is a super power device that I assumes uses dark energy.
Zing Freelandcer: Why does TIM look so mutilated when all he did is perform surgery without anaesthetics?

Think they just wanted him to look reaperized.

lolalie: How does joker successfully crash land the normandy given that in the destory ending edi would be dead, so hed have to land manually (especially seeing how he clearly couldn't do it on his own in ME2)?

Once again dumb luck/devine intervention/or the crew just really is that good.
 

[turian_rage]

Destruction: I wonder just how different the inner workings of "synthetic life" are in comparison to any other computer system. Did the destroy ending destroy a particular piece of machinery present only in synthetic AI? If so, what was that piece, and why wasn't it present in EDI? If not, than what's to stop the crucible from destroying ALL technology in addition to the AI? Why would this destroy the Mass Relays?

Synthesis: How did this effect the Geth or the reapers? Because we now have glowing green stuff all over our insides and out, does that suddenly change our personality so that we no longer have the same motives we did before? If not, than what's to stop us from repeating the cycle and bringing the reapers back because of it? Why did this destroy the Mass Relays?

Control: If the illusive man was right all along and controlling them was the best option, then why was this line of thought a symptom of his indoctrination? Isn't the point of indoctrination to convince the organic to believe in falsehoods that ultimately compromise the destruction of the reapers, which is the ultimate goal? And again, WHY DID THIS DESTROY THE MASS RELAYS?

[Zelto]

I think maybe the prothean code prevents the reapers activating the citidel, thats why saren was sent, given the size of the reapers and the general droneyness of there followers it is possable that they cannot undo the programme without a human(ish) proxy

Modifié par Zelto, 16 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[MadMatt910]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

I did some cleaning up of the topic, I hope it helps.

Ending Critizisims, Complaints, Plotholes, & Inconsistencies...

• ME1 - Why didn't Starchild undo the Prothean's sabotage or help Saren & Sovereign given his total ability to control the Citadel?
• ME1 - Why does sovereign tell us we can't comprehend his motivations, then they are explained simply in ME3?
• ME1 - Vigil says the reapers control the mass relays when they control the citadel and could turn them off, why didn't they do so when they brought the Citadel to Earth to prevent the allies from attacking?
• ME1 - Saren and Sovereign lead some of the geth out of the veil to go to war with the rest of the galaxy, if not then there wouldn't have been a war between the geth and Quarians, so reapers woudln't need to harvest advanced civilisations?
• ME2 - What was the point of the human reaper or the collectors? Them ME3 development team pasted up a great opportunity to add some action at TIM's base; we could have had a Cerberus built Reaper to fight or use in the coming battle. They could have explained the whole point of ME2 in a short dialog or cutscene.
• ME2 - Why did the relay exploding destory the system in arrival, but didn't in ME3?
• ME2 - What happened to the dark energy idea that has been shadowed through 3 games? If dark energy isnt resolved then wont it destory every sun (2 already in me2 ageing prematurely), and so wont saving the universe be irrelevant?
• ME3 - Why is Conrad Verners dark energy dissertation considered a war asset if dark energy is irrelavnt?
• ME3 - Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy? (a la indoctrination?)
• ME3 - How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
• ME3 - Why didn't the reapers guide organics not to build synthetics, or build into themselves cybernetics to keep up with synthetic's advancement, rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
• ME3 - Why does shepard accept that Starchild, the boss of his enemy, tells him?
• ME3 - Why doesn't shepard question Starchild or mention peace with Geth or EDI?
• ME3 - How does the DNA of shepard allow for synthesis of synthetic and organic DNA?
• ME3 - Why would synthetics possibly have DNA, given its a very poor method to store information that is corrupted on every replication?
• ME3 - What would prevent the people from making new synthetics, under the synthesis ending? If they make a robot, does it magically turn into a dog?
• ME3 - Why does sheapard seem to wake up on earth; di he hallucinate/dream the ending, or did he fall from the blown up Citadel?
• ME3 - Why is the citadel made of concrete?
• ME3 - Why does the catalyst look like the child?
• ME3 - Where was the normandy going?
• ME3 - How come the normandy dropping out of FTL travel doesnt kill the crew, despite ME1 saying it would?
• ME3 - How does the crew survive the crash?
• ME3 - Why are my squadmates from earth on the Normandy?
• ME3 - Where is the planet they crash landed on?
• ME3 - How can shepard breath in space when talking to the catalyst?
• ME3 - How can shepard run to the destroy or synthesis ending, given his previous physical state?
• ME3 - Does the destroy ending wipe out all the ships in sol (all advanced technology destroyed)?

Zing Freelandcer: Why does TIM look so mutilated when all he did is perform surgery without anaesthetics?
lolalie: How does joker successfully crash land the normandy given that in the destory ending EDI would be dead, so he'd have to land manually (especially seeing how he clearly couldn't do it on his own in ME2)?

Thanks, youve done me a favour, this is now the OP

[Ibecomedeath]

Breathing on the Catalyst is not a big deal.... A 'bubble' of atmosphere exists due to a mass effect field... Didn't Palaven's moon have atmosphere for the same reason?

The real question is, if Shepard was the first organic to set foot there, why would there be an atmospheric bubble in the first place? Was the Guardian expecting all this to happen?

[j78]

[quote]MadMatt910 wrote...

Thought id make a list of plot holes and inconsistencies for those questioning whether they exist. If you can answer all these with solid evidence from the games/wiki or novels then we will accept the current endings are fitting

EDIT: Thanks to bucyrus5000 for help consolidating this thread
This thread is intended to show the scale of errors in the current ending, showing just how it does not function as an ending.

[quote]bucyrus5000 wrote...

I did some cleaning up of the topic, I hope it helps.
[quote]Ending Critizisims, Complaints, Plotholes, & Inconsistencies...

• ME1
  - Why didn't Starchild undo the Prothean's sabotage or help Saren &
  Sovereign given his total ability to control the Citadel?
• ME1 - Why does sovereign tell us we can't comprehend his motivations, then they are explained simply in ME3?
• ME1
  - Vigil says the reapers control the mass relays when they control the
  citadel and could turn them off, why didn't they do so when they brought
  the Citadel to Earth to prevent the allies from attacking?
• ME1 -
  Saren and Sovereign lead some of the geth out of the veil to go to war
  with the rest of the galaxy, if not then there wouldn't have been a war
  between the geth and Quarians, so reapers woudln't need to harvest
  advanced civilisations?
• ME2 - What was the point of the human
  reaper or the collectors? Them ME3 development team pasted up a great
  opportunity to add some action at TIM's base; we could have had a
  Cerberus built Reaper to fight or use in the coming battle. They could
  have explained the whole point of ME2 in a short dialog or cutscene.
• ME2 - Why did the relay exploding destory the system in arrival, but didn't in ME3?
• ME2
  - What happened to the dark energy idea that has been shadowed through 3
  games? If dark energy isnt resolved then wont it destory every sun (2
  already in me2 ageing prematurely), and so wont saving the universe be
  irrelevant?
• ME3 - Why is Conrad Verners dark energy dissertation considered a war asset if dark energy is irrelavnt? 
• ME3 - Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy? (a la indoctrination?)
• ME3 - How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
• ME3
  - Why didn't the reapers guide organics not to build synthetics, or
  build into themselves cybernetics to keep up with synthetic's
  advancement, rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced
  civilisations?
• ME3 - Why does shepard accept that Starchild, the boss of his enemy, tells him?
• ME3 - Why doesn't shepard question Starchild or mention peace with Geth or EDI? 
• ME3 - How does the DNA of shepard allow for synthesis of synthetic and organic DNA?
• ME3
  - Why would synthetics possibly have DNA, given its a very poor method
  to store information that is corrupted on every replication?
• ME3
  - What would prevent the people from making new synthetics, under the
  synthesis ending? If they make a robot, does it magically turn into a
  dog?
• ME3 - Why does sheapard seem to wake up on earth; di he hallucinate/dream the ending, or did he fall from the blown up Citadel?
• ME3 - Why is the citadel made of concrete?
• ME3 - Why does the catalyst look like the child?
• ME3 - Where was the normandy going?
• ME3 - How come the normandy dropping out of FTL travel doesnt kill the crew, despite ME1 saying it would?
• ME3 - How does the crew survive the crash?
• ME3 - Why are my squadmates from earth on the Normandy?
• ME3 - Where is the planet they crash landed on?
• ME3 - How can shepard breath in space when talking to the catalyst?
• ME3 - How can shepard run to the destroy or synthesis ending, given his previous physical state?
• ME3 - Does the destroy ending wipe out all the ships in sol (all advanced technology destroyed)?

[/quote]

You should post this on the threads asking why we want a decent ending

[Positronics]

My responses in bold.

[quote]MadMatt910 wrote...

Thought id make a list of plot holes and inconsistencies for those questioning whether they exist. If you can answer all these with solid evidence from the games/wiki or novels then we will accept the current endings are fitting

EDIT: Thanks to bucyrus5000 for help consolidating this thread
This thread is intended to show the scale of errors in the current ending, showing just how it does not function as an ending.

[quote]bucyrus5000 wrote...

I did some cleaning up of the topic, I hope it helps.
[quote]Ending Critizisims, Complaints, Plotholes, & Inconsistencies...

• ME1 - Why didn't Starchild undo the Prothean's sabotage or help Saren &
  Sovereign given his total ability to control the Citadel?
• Because the "Starchild" wasn't around until the Catalyst was completed.
• ME1 - Why does sovereign tell us we can't comprehend his motivations, then they are explained simply in ME3?
• Aren't you glad he wasn't monologuing? Is it a prerequisite that villians telegraph all their motivations now?
• ME1- Vigil says the reapers control the mass relays when they control the citadel and could turn them off, why didn't they do so when they brought the Citadel to Earth to prevent the allies from attacking?
• Because the Reapers hadn't disseminated through all the Relays beforehand, they were only in about half the galaxy.
• ME1 -Saren and Sovereign lead some of the geth out of the veil to go to war with the rest of the galaxy, if not then there wouldn't have been a war between the geth and Quarians, so reapers woudln't need to harvest advanced civilisations?
• That's assuming the Geth were the -only- potentially competitive and hostile synthetic race that would -ever- develop in the Milky Way if there was no Cycle. Horrible assumption on your part.
• ME2 - What was the point of the human reaper or the collectors? Them ME3 development team pasted up a great
  opportunity to add some action at TIM's base; we could have had a Cerberus built Reaper to fight or use in the coming battle. They could have explained the whole point of ME2 in a short dialog or cutscene.
• HTF is this even a plothole? The point of ME2 is that it was an amazing ****ing game, and the story shows many important things: Shepard is mortal, Shepard is now an organic/synthetic hybrid, motivations behind the Reapers, the fate of the Protheans, TIM and his motivations, all pertinent to the entire story. If you are arguing that ME2 is one big plothole, you're a moron.
• ME2 - Why did the relay exploding destory the system in arrival, but didn't in ME3?
• The same reason why if a building is hit by a missile the damage is much different than if it is demolished by a plan.
• ME2 - What happened to the dark energy idea that has been shadowed through 3 games? If dark energy isnt resolved then wont it destory every sun (2 already in me2 ageing prematurely), and so wont saving the universe be
  irrelevant?
• LOL. You don't even understand basic physics. Dark energy is all around space. It makes up most of the universe. Utilizing is just part of the tech lore of ME. Did you hear about dark energy and go "Ooo, it sounds scary cause it's dark!"?!
• ME3 - Why is Conrad Verners dark energy dissertation considered a war asset if dark energy is irrelavnt?
• It's not irrelevant. Dark energy was used in the Crucible.
• ME3 - Why does James complain about hearing a humming noise aboard the normandy? (a la indoctrination?)
• Not a plothole.
• ME3 - How is reapers killing organics any better than synthetics built by organics killing the organics?
• Reapers are not synthetics. They are cybernetic organisms. The Cycle achieves two things: The preservation of successful organic species DNA, and prevents a synthetic superintelligence from *permanently* ending organic life.
• ME3- Why didn't the reapers guide organics not to build synthetics, or build into themselves cybernetics to keep up with synthetic's advancement, rather than coming back every 50K years to kill advanced civilisations?
• They did build themselves into cybernetics... and the rest, not a plothole.
• ME3 - Why does shepard accept that Starchild, the boss of his enemy, tells him?
• Not a plothole.
• ME3 - Why doesn't shepard question Starchild or mention peace with Geth or EDI? 
• He does question "Starchild."
• ME3 - How does the DNA of shepard allow for synthesis of synthetic and organic DNA?
• Shepard's DNA could be the imprint that goes on Synthetics, while a design of the Catalyst goes onto organics.
• ME3- Why would synthetics possibly have DNA, given its a very poor method to store information that is corrupted on every replication?
• DNA is actually a highly efficient method to store DNA. Ever heard of a DNA computing?
• ME3 - What would prevent the people from making new synthetics, under the synthesis ending? If they make a robot, does it magically turn into a dog?
• Unanswered eventualities are -not- plotholes.
• ME3 - Why does sheapard seem to wake up on earth; di he hallucinate/dream the ending, or did he fall from the blown up Citadel?
• Probably the latter. Unlikely for a normal person? Yes? For Shepard? Eh, he fell from orbit once and died. Maybe with all his new implants, this time he fared better.
• ME3 - Why is the citadel made of concrete?
• WTF? It's not.
• ME3 - Why does the catalyst look like the child?
• ME3 - Where was the normandy going?
• To garner Shepard's sympathy. Again, not a plothole.
• ME3 - How come the normandy dropping out of FTL travel doesnt kill the crew, despite ME1 saying it would?
• Never says it does. Says it's risky. Joker has a way of getting the Normandy through risky situations.
• ME3 - How does the crew survive the crash?
• Not a plothole.
• ME3 - Why are my squadmates from earth on the Normandy?
• Because things can happen off-camera. Maybe Joker looked up at the Citadel emitting a giant light and said lets GTFO of here!
• ME3 - Where is the planet they crash landed on?
• How can you -possibly- say this is a plothole?
• ME3 - How can shepard breath in space when talking to the catalyst?
• Barriers keep in atmosphere. Not a plothole
• ME3 - How can shepard run to the destroy or synthesis ending, given his previous physical state?
• Adrenaline. Seriously, WTF? You guys are grasping at straws. The hero of a game gets a burst of steam at the very end, and it makes you cry cause it's a plothole? Grow up.
• ME3 - Does the destroy ending wipe out all the ships in sol (all advanced technology destroyed)?

[*]Probably not, and your question is not a plothole.
[/quote]
Where are all this "billions of plotholes" that everyone loves referring to? You guys need to get real.

[Chuvvy]

I'm not reading through the thread, so some of these may be duplicates.

Relays being destroyed, there's no explanation for why this happens.
Everyone being turned into Synthetics because they got hit with a green light.
That ****ing kids logic.
The Citadel getting to the Sol system when it's been established in Arrival that objects that big can't be fired through relays.
Anderson being in the Citadel and saying he took another passage even though there's only one way up.
Udina coup (not really a plothole just unexplained)
Your squad being on the Normandy.
The Normandy being able to reach the outer edges of the Sol system in about fifteen minutes.
The Catalyst not turning on the relay for the Reapers
The Reapers indoctrinating Javiks team and not learning about the Crucible even though his team seemingly knew about it.
They could have used the Conduit to get to the Citadel but instead they hit the reapers head on.
The Normandy trying to outrun light at FTL speeds and having the light catch up with them.
Why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mordor?

[KainrycKarr]

bump

[Positronics]

Slidell505 wrote...

I'm not reading through the thread, so some of these may be duplicates.

Relays being destroyed, there's no explanation for why this happens.
Not a plothole.
Everyone being turned into Synthetics because they got hit with a green light.
That ****ing kids logic.
To your primitive mind, it is.
The Citadel getting to the Sol system when it's been established in Arrival that objects that big can't be fired through relays.
Giant asteroids have been ferried through Mass Relays since ME1 planet lore. So you're wrong.
Anderson being in the Citadel and saying he took another passage even though there's only one way up.
Udina coup (not really a plothole just unexplained)
Anderson is awesome. Duh.
Your squad being on the Normandy.
Not a plothole.
The Normandy being able to reach the outer edges of the Sol system in about fifteen minutes.
It's called FTL.
The Catalyst not turning on the relay for the Reapers
Err what?
The Reapers indoctrinating Javiks team and not learning about the Crucible even though his team seemingly knew about it.
I'm sure the Reapers knew about the Crucible.
They could have used the Conduit to get to the Citadel but instead they hit the reapers head on.
The Conduit was destroyed at the end of ME1.
The Normandy trying to outrun light at FTL speeds and having the light catch up with them.
It wasn't a beam of light, it was a particle beam traveling at an FTL speed faster than Normandy's FTL, obviously.
Why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mordor?

[MadMatt910]

@Positronics

1) No need for insults to peoples questions
2) Those questions have beeb discussed and not satisfactorily answered by many people, not just this thread. To you the ending may be just perfect but this was more general question that are continually raised for bioware.
3) Mass effect has loads of problems when you examine it under real world science, the dark energy idea is consistent in mass effect, but doesnt have much to do with the real world

[Zhuril]

-In the Synthesis ending, what seperates a synthetic AI(Like the geth) from a ship? Do all the warships in the battle become "living" entities? Do laptops become "living"? Is my IPod now alive?

I think this next one was already listed
-Why did the Reapers contacting Shepard say their reasons were incomprehensible, when Starchild summed it up in one or two sentences?

Putting the "stock photo" of tali aside.
-levo-proteins in all known life on earth is evidence that we are all have a very old related ancestor. Quarians have Dextro-protein based systems. Why do they look so closely related to humans? And... did tali paint her nails in the photo? Would quarians, who are rarely out of their suits, do so such a thing?(do cosmetics on their body)

-Why do all the prothean recordings so concerned with giving out information about the catalyst, when they are likely to be involved in that cycle's destruction, thus losing all of that data.
(If it weren't for shepard's persistantness, the information about the Crucible and the Catalyst would very likely have been completely forgotten.)

-After Shepard loses so much blood, he passes out after Admiral Hackett tells him the crucible isn't firing. How did he wake up in the Starchild's presence and able to have a full conversation and run again. Also the Fleet stop trying to contact Shepard for a long time throughout the discussion, and Shepard makes no attempt to contact them.

-The Reapers know that the Citadel was the the center for many civilizations in the past. Why ignore the Citadel until the final battle? Crippling the Citadel would have incredibally damaged all the galactic races and they probably would have won the war. Seems like a valuable strategic asset for something as intelligant as a reaper to pass up.

Modifié par Zhuril, 18 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[ed87]

Great work guys. Dont forget to color-code the list

[Jobasha]

This is great, I can't say I agree with everything listed, but it is an amazing work.

Now I think it should belong to the sticky endings thread as well, you know, to make sure BW reads the list.

[Zhuril]

Positronics wrote...

My responses in bold.
[...]
[*]ME3 - How come the normandy dropping out of FTL travel doesnt kill the crew, despite ME1 saying it would?
[*]Never says it does. Says it's risky. Joker has a way of getting the Normandy through risky situations.
[...]

Primary Codex, FTL Drives
"If the field collapses while the ship is moving at faster-than-light
speeds, the effects are catastrophic. The ship is snapped back to
sublight velocity, the enormous excess energy shed in the form of lethal
Cherenkov radiation."

It says it in all three games that i'm aware of. Technically not a plot hole, but it is an inconsistency. Which also belong in this thread according to the title.
Also, Looking at the ending, the Normandy's engine appears to overheat, blow up, or become non-functional in some way. I highly doubt even Joker could prevent a collapse if that happened.

Modifié par Zhuril, 18 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[Lazarus Cricket]

good list I think it covers most of the problems I have with the whole star child sequence

[MadMatt910]

Just want to say a big thankyou for all contribution so far, wouldn't be anywhere near as accurate without your views

[mrderp27]

illusive man calls anderson stuck in his ways despite the fact that anderson was one of the first people to acknowledge the reaper's existence