When Dickens gave into readers and changed the ending to Great Expectations, it was one of the great failings in the art of literature. That the masses, rather than the artist, would dictate the conclusion of a brilliant work of literature was about as anti-art as you can get.
Bioware is faced with a similar dilemma now. Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.
Bioware, please realize that this is a crossroads for video games as an art form. If you give into fans, you will be showing that the ending of videogames is decided by the masses rather than by the artist - you will be tarnishing a great work of art; you'll be forever disgracing the idea that video games can be seen as an art form.
While I was not entirely pleased with the 10 second cutscene at the end of the game, I correctly realize that the entirety of Mass Effect 3 is the "ending". The ending starts as soon as you start a new game. The previous two acts were seen in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. People are putting too much stock in a 10 second cutscene and ignoring the rest of the ending. I also realize that it is Bioware's story to end - not mine, and that of not the very vocal trolls and haters on this forum.
Please do not change the ending. Have integrity.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:33
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Change the endings Bioware, or you will loose more customers than what you already have.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:34
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You didn't even understand the problems with the ending, did you?pkmn wrote...
Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:35
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Videogames are unlike books and art in the sense that blockbuster titles are made to sell copies not to be art pieces.
It is like a sloppy hamburger and it doesn't even taste good at all.
It is like a sloppy hamburger and it doesn't even taste good at all.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:36
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The ending isn't an ending appropriate to the game. Changing it to fit the game isn't "giving in", refusing to change something that satisfies almost nobody, even those who do not claim to want it changed, isn't "having integrity".
The entire premise of the game is that this is an interactive story for players to craft. It was always a game created and crafted by the masses. The ending violates that in pretty much the worst way possible. The responsible thing to do is rectify that. Violation of the reader-writer contract is a perfectly acceptable reason to change an ending, especially if there is no greater artistic merit to the ending (e.g. if it's trying to makea point about something), which in this case would be rather difficult to argue.
Aside from that, there's little artistic or creative about the ending, given that we had literally the exact 3 same choices (control AI/destroay AI/merge with AI) with the exact same 3 red/blue/green color codings done in a game called DeusEx back when Clinton was still president. We were in fact point blank promised that we would *not* recieve an ending like this.
The entire premise of the game is that this is an interactive story for players to craft. It was always a game created and crafted by the masses. The ending violates that in pretty much the worst way possible. The responsible thing to do is rectify that. Violation of the reader-writer contract is a perfectly acceptable reason to change an ending, especially if there is no greater artistic merit to the ending (e.g. if it's trying to makea point about something), which in this case would be rather difficult to argue.
Aside from that, there's little artistic or creative about the ending, given that we had literally the exact 3 same choices (control AI/destroay AI/merge with AI) with the exact same 3 red/blue/green color codings done in a game called DeusEx back when Clinton was still president. We were in fact point blank promised that we would *not* recieve an ending like this.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:36
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If it's a DLC no one is forcing you to download it. I say if Bioware makes a new ending DLC fans of the current ending should just pretend it was never made if they have a problem.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:37
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very vocal ?
Who do you think you are, god or something ? Do you realize these vocals collected more than 40k dollars for childs, 20k signs in facebook and more than 40k votes in polls ?
Vocals again ?
Get a life
Who do you think you are, god or something ? Do you realize these vocals collected more than 40k dollars for childs, 20k signs in facebook and more than 40k votes in polls ?
Vocals again ?
Get a life
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:37
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Everyone that doesn't like the ending must be trolls. Right, and ofcourse the arguement that the whole game is the end. Yes to the trilogy maybe, but to this specific game, the last 10 minutes or so are the end, and it's done poorly. So please Bioware, do fix the end.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:37
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And it IS our story. We are the consumers paying for it, and the very nature of an rpg, especially this one, demands a deep connection with the player. A connection severed for many by that ending. They deserve better.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:37
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pkmn wrote...
When Dickens gave into readers and changed the ending to Great Expectations, it was one of the great failings in the art of literature. That the masses, rather than the artist, would dictate the conclusion of a brilliant work of literature was about as anti-art as you can get.
And yet it remains a great classic.
How very, very odd.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:37
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Please, change the endings. Have some shred of decency.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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Bioware isn't a starving artist, they're a company... Just ook at multiplayer for proof 
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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pkmn wrote...
When Dickens gave into readers and changed the ending to Great Expectations, it was one of the great failings in the art of literature. That the masses, rather than the artist, would dictate the conclusion of a brilliant work of literature was about as anti-art as you can get.
Bioware is faced with a similar dilemma now. Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.
Bioware, please realize that this is a crossroads for video games as an art form. If you give into fans, you will be showing that the ending of videogames is decided by the masses rather than by the artist - you will be tarnishing a great work of art; you'll be forever disgracing the idea that video games can be seen as an art form.
While I was not entirely pleased with the 10 second cutscene at the end of the game, I correctly realize that the entirety of Mass Effect 3 is the "ending". The ending starts as soon as you start a new game. The previous two acts were seen in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. People are putting too much stock in a 10 second cutscene and ignoring the rest of the ending. I also realize that it is Bioware's story to end - not mine, and that of not the very vocal trolls and haters on this forum.
I am curious: have you not actually read the specific complaints regarding the ending, or are you dishonestly ignoring the specific nature of those complaints and instead falsely asserting that the complaints are requesting a "happy ending" because you are incapable of rationally arguing against the actual stated positions?
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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I love how some people accept crap for the sake of "art" I go to art school and this argument is used all the time by the fine art department and guess what? None of those kids can draw/paint to save their lives.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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Games are a business first, and an art second. Changing the endings is good business.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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The thing is, this ending would have been Suitable for a Cinematic movie or a book. Not an interactive Video Game that for the past 5 years praised itself for "The Player's Choice Matters".
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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They can keep the idea surrounding the ending. They just need to fix it so it makes sense, it asks too many questions and doesn't give closure. Plus with its "17" endings all based on your actions in the third game, why bother replaying the whole trilogy just to get back to the same three decisions?
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:38
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Video games have artistic merit but the bottom line is that they are entertainment products, and people have every right to complain if the product is lacking. In ME3's case, artistic merit of the ending goes straight out of the window with the "buy more DLC nao" ad after epilogue.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:39
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What BioWare should do is wait until those in Asia have had a chance to play it, then come in and explain it so the simpletons that don't get it can understand.
What they shouldn't do is lower their art to the level of those that need sunshine and happiness.
What they shouldn't do is lower their art to the level of those that need sunshine and happiness.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:39
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Actual question that remain after the ending can be seen here
http://social.biowar.../index/10054944
This many unanswered questions surely makes this ending unsubatantial and pretty bad.
http://social.biowar.../index/10054944
This many unanswered questions surely makes this ending unsubatantial and pretty bad.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:39
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Integrity would be to deliver the product you advertised.
Comparing this to Dickens is major fail, but everybody knows this but lack actual arguments in defense of a huge company racking in millions based on mass marketed mainstream products.
It's difficult to defend a company that pulls bait n' switch and drows in vague marketing - so people turn to the 'it's art' argument. Even artists deliver the product they say they will or get met with complains by their customers.
If you make 'art' for yourself - sure fine, but i y ou make it to sell it to millions - you are just a business.
If Bioware had advertised the product as a make up your own ending using the imagination product - guess how many would have bought it?
Comparing this to Dickens is major fail, but everybody knows this but lack actual arguments in defense of a huge company racking in millions based on mass marketed mainstream products.
It's difficult to defend a company that pulls bait n' switch and drows in vague marketing - so people turn to the 'it's art' argument. Even artists deliver the product they say they will or get met with complains by their customers.
If you make 'art' for yourself - sure fine, but i y ou make it to sell it to millions - you are just a business.
If Bioware had advertised the product as a make up your own ending using the imagination product - guess how many would have bought it?
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:41
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count_4 wrote...
You didn't even understand the problems with the ending, did you?pkmn wrote...
Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.
This.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 01:41
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Chaota Vos wrote...
pkmn wrote...
When Dickens gave into readers and changed the ending to Great Expectations, it was one of the great failings in the art of literature. That the masses, rather than the artist, would dictate the conclusion of a brilliant work of literature was about as anti-art as you can get.
And yet it remains a great classic.
How very, very odd.
A classic forever tarnished by the author giving in to fans for adding a conventional happy ending. Bioware shouldn't tarnish their excellent game in the same fashion.
