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[Brahlis]

Having integrity is doing right to those that care about you the most. Or in this case, their fans.

[Evil_medved]

Videogames are not an art, its plain entertainment made to make money. Like football, beer, wet t-shirts contests. WE are paying customers and WE demand here, and they only supply.

[TyDurden13]

pkmn wrote...

When Dickens gave into readers and changed the ending to Great Expectations, it was one of the great failings in the art of literature. That the masses, rather than the artist, would dictate  the conclusion of a brilliant work of literature was about as anti-art as you can get.

Bioware is faced with a similar dilemma now. Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.

You are mischaracterizing the complaints about the ending. Most people are not asking for a pat and happy ending, but rather an ending that makes sense. 

[WarBaby2]

zarnk567 wrote...

It's also apparent he did not even read any of the 50 other ending threads...... WE DON"T CARE IT"S NOT A HAPPY ENDING, WE WANT AN ENDING THAT MAKES SENSE

Just forget it... this is the only explanation the peolple can come up with.^^

[VyseN1]

Also, if the ending is not fixed, Bioware will lose my business. I will cancel my SWTOR subscription, and never buy a Bioware product again.

[garf]

blacqout wrote...

What BioWare should do is wait until those in Asia have had a chance to play it, then come in and explain it so the simpletons that don't get it can understand.

What they shouldn't do is lower their art to the level of those that need sunshine and happiness.

Simpletons who desire sunshine and happiness. Is that the best you can do?

really, please try reading some of the reasoned complaints that are out there. Then try refuting them. treat me with respect and I will return the favour.

[pharsti]

pkmn wrote...

When Dickens gave into readers and changed the ending to Great Expectations, it was one of the great failings in the art of literature. That the masses, rather than the artist, would dictate  the conclusion of a brilliant work of literature was about as anti-art as you can get.

Bioware is faced with a similar dilemma now. Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.

Bioware, please realize that this is a crossroads for video games as an art form. If you give into fans, you will be showing that the ending of videogames is decided by the masses rather than by the artist - you will be tarnishing a great work of art; you'll be forever disgracing the idea that video games can be seen as an art form.

While I was not entirely pleased with the 10 second cutscene at the end of the game, I correctly realize that the entirety of Mass Effect 3 is the "ending". The ending starts as soon as you start a new game. The previous two acts were seen in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. People are putting too much stock in a 10 second cutscene and ignoring the rest of the ending. I also realize that it is Bioware's story to end - not mine, and that of not the very vocal trolls and haters on this forum.

Thats fine, you can accept that, and be satisfied with what you got, i honestly wish i could be satisfied with being lied to (not a tiny lie, no, all the things they said the ending would give, they gave us the exact opposite), glad to see that youre happy with one ending.

Me? I wanted my Shepards to embark on their final journey, i wanted each of the 5 i spent hundreds of hours with to have a different conclusion to their struggles, did i want them all to live happily sipping pinacoladas with Garrus on the beach while watching some blue ass? No, i wanted them to feel different, i wanted them to BE different, like we were told, a simple cheap written epilogue would accomplish that even.

What i got? I got one ending, one outcome, my first Shepard, lets call her Aya, she had integrity, she was one hell of a leader, didnt lose anyone even on her "suicide mission", she didnt believe the ends justified the means, she did what she thought was right, and she didnt do it for the galaxy, she did it for only one special person. That same Aya, when after strugling throu everything she did, got 3 choices to decide how her legend "ends".... Why?
Why is it that those 3 choices are not only amazingly similar (from a production point of view, same fmvs, different colors) with the same glaring plotholes. Yes the ends have somewhat different repercussions, which ammount to nothing due to not having an epilogue. Aya aparently can already see, choose and have all the outcomes available to her. 1 of only 3.


Cue Ranga Shepard, shes good at heart, but she has absolutely no mercy, she fights for her mission, not for someone, she will sacrifice some things to get her goals, but theres a limit even for her, shes had some flings but nothing serious.... guess what, this is getting long...

Bottom line, there is no need whatsoever to replay the game, a game we were told was going to be ultimately the convergence of all my choices to give each of my Shepards different outcomes to their different journeys. Yes, the journey is different, the ending.... well, you get the point.

And also, i agree with you, they shouldnt CHANGE the ending, they should either add epilogues to it that connect with your different choices or add more endings to the ones that are available, again, obtained throu choices, not a choice at the last minute.


Too long T_T i apologize.

[Killer3000ad]

Vote with your wallet people. Don't buy any DLC until they do something about the endings. I would actually like a sort of "No man left behind" ending but mostly I prefer the endings to make SENSE above all!

[darkhorsedan72]

I find the assertions that people are complaining about the end because it is not happy is insulting. Not everyone is after a happy conclusion, they just want a conclusion full stop.... Also this whole idea of 'True art is angsty' really annoys me. Just because the ending is downbeat does not automatically give it credibility. Likewise ambiguity is not always smart or clever. Mass Effect isn't a existential thriller like the movie Inception, it's an epic action adventure videogame.

I agree that in most instances a writer shouldn't change the ending they have decided for their story to satisfy the public but this is different because they promised a final resolution and a wide variety of outcomes, but instead delivered something that is incoherent, incomplete and basically the same thing, but in different colours, because they wanted to create "Lots of speculation from everyone".

[Total Biscuit]

Admitting you made a mistake, owning up to your responsibilities to your fans and customers, and fixing the very real problems with you interactive entertainment (it amuses me no end that people are suddenly trying to excuse this by saying Mass Effect is art now) and actually fulfilling all the promises that were made both in game and in the marketing before release, takes far more integrity and character than just telling the vast majority of unsatisfied customers that you don't care what they think.

[ThePasserby]

LMAO! You have no idea, do you? Artistic?

Bioware is so devoid of artistic vision that they have to steal from a youtube video uploaded 7 months ago.

Take a load of this:

[Vergil_dgk]

Reiella wrote...

Dimensio wrote...

I am curious: have you not actually read the specific complaints regarding the ending, or are you dishonestly ignoring the specific nature of those complaints and instead falsely asserting that the complaints are requesting a "happy ending" because you are incapable of rationally arguing against the actual stated positions?

Many of the arguments ultimately fall to wanting an ending where the galaxy still benefits from the fruits of Reaper-tech without having Reapers going 'KILL ALL ORGANICS'.  Perhaps not the 'happiest ending', but a happier ending.

Some are simply a desire for more exposition with regards to certain events.  Tthe 'plot holes' and 'I want to know what happened to my squad!', most of the later, again wanting to be a happier ending, not the 'Well Tali and Garus died because there's no food on Earth' supposition that's been going about.  
The line too much invested in the characters is such that folks want a happier ending for their crew.  Consider how often folks got No Man Left Behind clear in ME2 versus Shepard died.  The former, is simply wanting more of the franchise exposed and given a definite answer.  I do understand folks wanting the story written for them instead of having to write it themselves , I just prefer the open-to-interpretation aspect of ending given the varied character choices and motivations.

Disagree. It's not really a question of wanting more (though that would be nice too), but of wanting better! The star-child's sudden appearance and the scene in which he features is a textbook example of ludicrous, hamfisted storytelling at its worst. I was fine with the game until those last five minutes, I expected my Shepard to die as it was foreshadowed heavily - I felt emotional about it which is as it should be. But the star-child and his "explanations" were ridiculous and ruined what should have been a majestic, emotional moment. I also think the ending ought to provide some relevant, actual choices as this is what the whole franchise has been built around.

Modifié par Vergil_dgk, 16 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[lm_Commander_Shepard]

Dear pkmn,

Dickens finished his work with proper conclusions. Bioware did not. This isn't about a happy ending, get it through your head!

[Mims]

I'm pretty sure Great Expectations wasn't a choose your own adventure novel that said, "EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN STORY... WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME" on the cover.

Modifié par Mims, 16 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[xSTONEYx187x]

Change the endings.

[FadingPhil]

You cant be serious.

[Salyut]

I don't think the OP understands the meaning of the word 'integrity'.

Promising us varied and conclusive endings that would answer all questions and depend heavily on our past choices when they really intended to give us a single vague ending to cause "speculation from everyone" is not what I would call integrity.

[melisma]

pkmn wrote...
Bioware is faced with a similar dilemma now. Some very vocal fans are demanding a DLC that adds another alternative happy ending.

I don't think the majority of people unhappy with the ending want a happy ending. I would have been perfectly fine with Shepard dying, as long as there was some closure to the ending and not just a whole lot of questions.

[Complistic]

I was against the ending until I actually played it. If you go with the indoctination theory it's not bad. Could have gone with some more closure but I have no issue filling in the gaps the way I want to.

[Aran Linvail]

Very Artistic and Deep

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Artistic integrity is a myth. The moment you make money of your art, you are a part of the market, and, therefore, subject to its mechanisms.

[Dave3172]

Buddy...it's not that Shepard dies. I think a lot of people here, myself included, are okay with that. Thematically, it fits. The problem with the ending is that it is half-a**ed and does nothing to honor that sacrifice. "You kind of beat the Reapers! Buy some more product!" is not a proper ending.

[AgentCross]

Integrity is not changing the themes and ideas of a Trilogy in the last 5 minutes. Integrity is delivering on what you promise, not blatant lying and then staying quiet when your lies come out with video and document proof.

Modifié par AgentCross, 16 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[ChampDude]

I don't see the problem in them changing this "ending" because as far as I'm concerned, it isn't an ending. Ending implies closure and finality, of which I felt neither. If anything, Bioware would be releasing an ending, something mostly everyone wants. If some people prefer the way things are now, good for you, but let the rest of us have a choice, something this series has been about since the very beginning

[Nugralsa1]

pkmn wrote...

While I was not entirely pleased with the 10 second cutscene at the end of the game, I correctly realize that the entirety of Mass Effect 3 is the "ending". The ending starts as soon as you start a new game.

One with brain...totally agree.
The ME3 give u the possibility to cure the genophage,free rannoch from geth fight the Reaper and destroy cerberus.All in one game and u are not satisfied?U played ME 3 for 30 hr in...3-4 days.If u don't like it..why u finished?
Seriously guys are u crying and moaning for a new ending?Are u 14 years old or what?Never played Metal gear solid?Never played an art opera of the videogame?From what i read it seems no.
U don't like ?Deal with it...and if u want don't buy BioWare product in the future.It's you'r choice and,again,choice is the center of ME and Life but you all must respect BioWare decisions.Mass Effect is thei'r game and they decide how it end.

P.S:Sorry for my english.