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[Ragebourne]

Uezurii wrote...

Everyone that doesn't like the ending must be trolls. Right, and ofcourse the arguement that the whole game is the end. Yes to the trilogy maybe, but to this specific game, the last 10 minutes or so are the end, and it's done poorly. So please Bioware, do fix the end.

Everyone who disagrees with people who dont like the ending must be trolls.

*puts up flameshield*

Modifié par Ragebourne, 16 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[Balmung31]

To all those saying there shouldn't be happy endings...

Why? Why not have the choice? How would it affect you if you have the ability to get the ending you want? Who are you to tell others they shouldn't have what they want out of this game?

You're just as bad as those people who argued against S/S relationships in the game. You don't want it? Don't play it that way. It won't affect you in the SLIGHTEST.

Stop being bigoted.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

pkmn wrote...

 you will be tarnishing a great work of art;

The endings of ME3 already tarnished a great work of art.

Modifié par Steelgrave, 16 mars 2012 - 02:49 .

[crimzontearz]

Fallout 3 and DA:A say hi

[flaming arrows]

leianajade wrote...

Going to be honest. I want a happier ending, krogan birthday cake and all. I mean, Shepard has continually done the impossible, so why not give her the impossible one more time?

But I'm also fine with a grim, bleak ending, as this would fit another one of my Sheps. I just want that option, and for these options to make sense.

Art for art's sake argument fails. This form of 'art', the RPG, is meant to be player based. Imagine a game of D&D where the DM pulled an ending like this. They'd be lynched on the spot. This form is supposed to be art like sand - able to be changed, fluid based on the player's choices.

me too. At least give us the CHOICE for one like they promised. I'd pick different endings for my different Shepards but I want to give my good Shepards what they deserve 

[In Exile]

pkmn wrote...
Bioware, please realize that this is a crossroads for video games as an art form. If you give into fans, you will be showing that the ending of videogames is decided by the masses rather than by the artist - you will be tarnishing a great work of art; you'll be forever disgracing the idea that video games can be seen as an art form.

If the original ending to Great Expectations was that God descedent from heaven and used magic to fix up some insane ending unrelated to the rest of the plot, it wouldn't be about "artistic integrity".

While I was not entirely pleased with the 10 second cutscene at the end of the game, I correctly realize that the entirety of Mass Effect 3 is the "ending". The ending starts as soon as you start a new game. The previous two acts were seen in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. People are putting too much stock in a 10 second cutscene and ignoring the rest of the ending. I also realize that it is Bioware's story to end - not mine, and that of not the very vocal trolls and haters on this forum.

When a product actually goes insane at the end, in a way that is actually contradicted by the main themes of the game then there's a serious problem.

ME was all about the "Not so different after all" theme, to the point where it beat you over head with it, and then we have some psychotic break with reality with Space Reaper Baby.

It has nothing to do with "trolling" or "hating".

Modifié par In Exile, 16 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[Fame-KIllz]

Balmung31 wrote...

To all those saying there shouldn't be happy endings...

Why? Why not have the choice? How would it affect you if you have the ability to get the ending you want? Who are you to tell others they shouldn't have what they want out of this game?

You're just as bad as those people who argued against S/S relationships in the game. You don't want it? Don't play it that way. It won't affect you in the SLIGHTEST.

Stop being bigoted.

This.

[Zack56]

Videogames and Storytelling

This video raises excellent points for this discusion. As for my own response to this topic, go to 9:34 in the video.

[Balmung31]

blacqout wrote...

What BioWare should do is wait until those in Asia have had a chance to play it, then come in and explain it so the simpletons that don't get it can understand.

What they shouldn't do is lower their art to the level of those that need sunshine and happiness.

Elitist much?  You do realize you have now implied others who do not agree with you are somehow on a "lower level" than you are? 

Would you like to be reported?  I can arrange it if you'd like. 

Modifié par Balmung31, 16 mars 2012 - 03:03 .

[mupp3tz]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...
Artist do have to listen to people. What do you think happens when an art student draws a pretty retarded picture?

I lol'd.

[Arokel]

 We dont want happy endings necessarily.  We want endings that make sense.  Dont use the "its art" excuse either.  Mass Effect is not that type of game.  At least it wasn't for half a decade.


Look Joker has to literally try to outrun the plothole.
http://t3.gstatic.co...TUEqbsOMyZXZH4Q

[ToneFish]

I personally can't see how changing the ending will make anything better. What is done is done. I can't just erase the experience I shared through Shepard from my head. It happened and it made no sense but another ending that BioWare force because of criticism would just diminish the experience for me rather than enhance it.

I do agree with some of the criticism. I did not personally want a "rainbow" ending but I wanted an ending that made sense, the current ending did not. I am not saying that I have to understand every detail but there are too many plot holes, circular arguments and things overlooked. I was also left to think that my crew ultimately were cowards that ran (to the Normandy who immediately left the Sol system) instead of following me down towards the beam.

So if it were up to me; give us a DLC that try to make sense of the ending rather than change it. Maybe even put in a "rainbow" ending as long as it is not possible to unlock on my computer

[Poison_Berrie]

Complistic wrote...

I was against the ending until I actually played it. If you go with the indoctination theory it's not bad. Could have gone with some more closure but I have no issue filling in the gaps the way I want to.

But that's just your personal head cannon, that doesn't actually improve the reality of these endings.
In my head cannon the crucible isn't some magic pulse device and Shepard doesn't ride an elevator to the star-child.

Gilliy wrote...

Okay, first of all, saying that video games aren't art is probably the worst thing we as gamers can say. That statement alone is going to set back video games decades. It is art. Just as films are art, and books are art, and photography is art, and music is art, and physical and digital art is art.

I think it's more that the "it's art"-excuse doesn't really fly with a AAA mass market product like ME 3. 
Just because games like other media can be art, doesn't mean they are art first and foremost and that people's enjoyment in secondary.

Secondly -- The ending's aren't bad. They're just not what you expected. It doesn't matter if you expected happy endings or sad endings or something else all together. They're just not what you thought you wanted.

I'd call them bad. I wasn't playing this game for an "A wizard did it" ending. 
I was playing a semi-hard science fiction game. Up untill the ending everything felt consistent with what was presented throughout the games. 
Than at the last minute we get a quick non-sensical explanation on what the Reapers are supposed to do and told that we can press button 1, 2 or 3 for ending 1, 2 or 3.
If we do that we get a pulse of radation that magically targets very specific things, color coded.
The destruction pulse targets only synthetics, while destroying the rest dependant solely on your war assets somehow (does the military strength absorb the damage that would have happened to earth, hello implied holocaust).
The blue pulse makes the Reapers retreat, which you could probably QEC-ed or tightbeamed being their new boss and all. 
And last but not least the green pulse magically weaves together organics and synthetics... SAY WHUT!

There is nothing good about that.

For those folks up in arms about what might have happened to the rest of the galaxy, go back and read your war assets and codex entries. None of the races with you brought their civilians. They're all back on their respective worlds, colonies, and solar systems. The Quarians don't bring their liveships -- they leave them on Rannoch to rebuild. It says as much in the war assets and in the codexes. The Krogan are already repopulating -- Wrex makes note that Eve is already pregnant and back on Tuchunka rallying the women and young.

Implied holocaust. Non-self sufficient colonies will die out quickly. The destruction of Mass Relays should destroy the systems they are in (though it may be implied that this isn't the case this time "a  did it")
Chaos and riots, a vast majority of colonies was hit hard by the Reapers either harvested or flat out destroyed. Whatever happens the implication of this ending is that what we knew before about the galaxy is thrown out in this new age.

ToneFish wrote...

So if it were up to me; give us a DLC that try to make sense of the ending rather than change it.  

They used a space magic device and had our closest friends fleeing from the determining battle, nothing they present will ever make sense unless they dismiss those.

[Risselda]

You arent an artist are you.

I would not be able to feed myself if I followed your train of thought.

BESIDES. Most of us are asking for explanation and more variety....not to change the ending altogether. Please know what you are talking about.

[Spectre_Shepard]

they lied to their fan base.

they have lost their integrity.

[MattFini]

Even the people who LIKE the endings have issues with them.

That tells you everything you need to know.

[OblivionDawn]

Disregard OP, Bioware.

We payed a crapton of money for your series, we deserve a proper ending.

[ediskrad327]

integrity? THE ENDINGS HAVE NO INTEGRITY! if anything they bring up the biggest plot holes in the whole series

[WarMachine919]

So it's okay to cut a character out and release it as DLC (Javik)
Release the story in pieces(Arrival, LOTSB)
But it is not okay to offer alternate ending options to an overwhelming amount of fans who request them?
I don't have a problem with paid DLC.(gotta make money) But, it does sort of kill the idea of ''Artistic Integrity" for me.

Fun Fact: Originally George Lucas was going to film two versions of Star Wars. One with Chewie and one without.Since Chewie wasn't ''integral'' to the plot. People could pay more if they wanted to have him in their story. Luckily Lucas was talked out of this.

[Koona]

I'm quite sure this has already been said, but I must add my two cents. Bioware lost any right they may have had to use the notion of 'artistic integrity' or 'creative vision' as justification for not keeping their promises to loyal fans long before this debate even started. Bioware decided that basically Photoshopping Tali's face into the game was acceptable, even knowing that the unmasking was hotly anticipated by so many, they still couldn't be bothered to make a proper character model, any semblance of artistic integrity died then and there. What Bioware is left with is simply a product, designed to make profit, that does not live up to consumer expectations or their very own expressed promises. When other companies are faced with such a problem they issue an apology and make corrections to fix the faulty product, issue refunds or start a recall, why exactly is Bioware so damn special?

[General Jack D. Ripper]

Personally, I do not want the endings changed. I only want additional endings that factor my decisions.

[Spectre Chris]

Nice try, IGN OP.

[MPSai]

What is a storyteller without an audience? If a storyteller takes an audience away on an engrossing tale, and then utterly shatters it with their own lack of effort, is the audience not allowed to be disappointed? When you're a writer the story isn't yours alone, it exists in the mind of every person you share it with. And you owe it to them and to yourself to bring it to a satisfying resolution.

[bdiddy2012]

i understand that many ending people just dont like them but ME3 ending has to be changed. i dont really cared if you died but with all of the plot holes and no closure then we do deserve a better ending. ME3 is a story that is crafted by the player, so to should the ending. every choice you made from ME1 to ME3 makes no change in the ending all we get is red,green, or blue with many plot holes. if people want an ending change simply because its bad and they dont like it then it shouldnt be changed. but when an ending makes no sense and leaves us with so many questions that should have been answered.  if your satsified with the ending then you must have started playing ME because the rest of us have put 100+ hours into all the games we should get an ending that makes sense and reflects out choices we made in all of the games. thats how i feel