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[Tonya777]

Well what you don't want Whirlwind or whatever that AoE 1 point past momentum is?



But yeah Haste is better cause it does the same thing but also lets you move faster too

[mrjazzman]

hrm can you stack them on top of each other? Haven't used haste in this game yet

[Forumtroll]

They don't stack.

[Inarai]

Lemonio wrote...

everyone says that rogues must get momentum but i've been thinking that wouldn't it be better to just get the mage in your party to get haste?
that would save three precious talents which could then go into something like stealth, and your rogue would have more willpower for some of his abilities like stealth dirty fighting and so on 

It's folly to ignore that line of talents if you're a DW Rogue.  Momentum aside, it's quite critical.  If nothing else, you're gonna pick it up anyways to nab Whirlwind.

And if you rely on the mage, what happens if she's dead or out of mana or just can't cast for whatever reason?

[Tonya777]

But in all seriousness

You should get whirlwind anyway , and you are forced to get momentum 1 point before whirlwind anyway

But you should still definantley have Wynne learn haste

Modifié par Tonya777, 28 novembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[metatrans]

its just a matter of efficient resource allocation.



its more efficient to allocate your Rogue's stamina (and talent points) for what the rogue is trying to do (kill people fast) then it is to allocate your Mage's mana (and talent points) for the purpose of making the rogue better. the rogue should concentrate on being a good rogue and the mage should concentrate on being a good mage.



also, the DPS increase of Momentum is much larger than from Haste. Momentum gives flat +30% DPS no strings attached (except the stamina drain, easily offset by a +1 stamina regen equip). Haste only gies +25% attack speed and it gives you an attack rating penalty so it won't quite give you the full +25% DPS (probably closer to 20%, though that depends on how high your attack rating was).



you could argue that Haste effects multiple characters and that would be a good point if you had a party that made good use of it. most parties don't. if you've got a party that was the way my party was during my rogue playthrough its Tank, Rogue, Offensive Mage, Defensive Mage. The 2 mages won't benefit at all from haste (and the defensive mage is less effective from having to maintain it). the tank will gain some damage but is not intended as a primary damage dealer so its of lesser importance. the rogue will gain quite a bit of damage except that the rogue could already provide the effect for himself without having to tax the mage.



so it was a party like that one the multiple character nature of haste doesn't matter. if you had a party with a bunch of melee guys who didn't have momentum (2 handed warrirors mostly) then i guess it would work well. but since your primary melee DPS guys are rogues and DW warriors who can just get momentum on their own then why not just get it and forget about haste?

[Rayne Myria Solo]

For the record, Georg Zoeller's Missing Manual site says:



■(User) While active, momentum increases the users Movement speed to 140% of their present speed.

■(User) Momentum increases the users Attack Speed by 30% of their present value.

■Momentum does stack with other speed increases, but only to a certain point.

■(User) While active, Momentum applies a stamina regeneration penalty that causes constant drain while in combat and very little regeneration while in explore mode.

■The ability will deactivate if stamina reaches 0.



So, Momentum does give you a speed boost in movement. It also DOES stack with Haste, but only to a point. Personally, I have not used haste, and I only use momentum when I REALLY need to kill something now (mostly if I'm the last one standing in battle, or I'm so low on Stamina I can't activate my other abilities anymore, so I turn it on). I thought Mometum was going to rule, so I worked that tree early, in retrospect I'd rather have worked riposte/Punisher's tree sooner.

[PatT2]

Momentum and swift salve. Wow.

[Ginnerben]

PatT2 wrote...

Momentum and swift salve. Wow.

Been doing that with my DWarrior.  Ridiculous.  However, I stopped using Swift Salve, as I don't think it stacks with the Warden's Keep ability.  

[Inarai]

Lemonio wrote...

why whirlwind
i want my rogue to be pure backstab
if i get surrounded by enemies i will use stealth
whirlwind is not very useful because my rogue will have like 0 constitution and bad armor so i'll get raped if i am attacked by many people at once
i plan to go backstab all the way

Don't assume everything will work as planned all the time.

[Metallisika]

Hmm. Swift salve, Haste, Momentum and the warrior only- blood skill from Warden's Keep. Would it work? Can anyone confirm?

[Tonya777]

No it wouldn't



Momentum doesn't stack w/ haste



Momentum+Blood thirst+haste I'm not sure



I do know that Blood thirst+haste stacks though

[Inarai]

Lemonio wrote...

Inarai wrote...

Lemonio wrote...

why whirlwind
i want my rogue to be pure backstab
if i get surrounded by enemies i will use stealth
whirlwind is not very useful because my rogue will have like 0 constitution and bad armor so i'll get raped if i am attacked by many people at once
i plan to go backstab all the way

Don't assume everything will work as planned all the time.

not assuming anything, however trying to take on a bunch of enemies head on as rogue will definetly NOT work 

Sure it can.  Just depends on the Rogue.  Get some DEX, the nicest light-medium armour you can wear, and you're good to go.  The passives in the DW tree do give you some defense, too, and there's Evasion.

[Metallisika]

Faster in stealth, and it's a passive. You can find details in http://dragonage.wik...ategory:classes , click on the main classes and scroll down. Mage power of blood spells can be found in the spells section.

[weism]

Momentum + Haste is currently bugged. it's been confirmed by a bioware rep. I had momento and haste and it cancels both effect off, I was at normal attack speed. The bioware rep said there is a hardcap for attack speed. Haste + Momentum most probably went over the hardcap. But instead of staying at hardcap, it seems to revert to Normal. Hopefully it will be fixed in next patch.

[Inarai]

Lemonio wrote...

Inarai wrote...

Lemonio wrote...

Inarai wrote...

Lemonio wrote...

why whirlwind
i want my rogue to be pure backstab
if i get surrounded by enemies i will use stealth
whirlwind is not very useful because my rogue will have like 0 constitution and bad armor so i'll get raped if i am attacked by many people at once
i plan to go backstab all the way

Don't assume everything will work as planned all the time.

not assuming anything, however trying to take on a bunch of enemies head on as rogue will definetly NOT work 

Sure it can.  Just depends on the Rogue.  Get some DEX, the nicest light-medium armour you can wear, and you're good to go.  The passives in the DW tree do give you some defense, too, and there's Evasion.

well i want to concentrate on cunning
my rogue isn't going to be the tank, so i don't really need a lot of survivalability
if i only really raise cunning i will get the most out of my attacks and rogue abilities since i will be concentrating on one attribute

It doesn't work like that in Dragon Age.  For one, you won't hit.  Also, Dex also adds damage to dagger attacks - I'm assuming you're going daggers, since you clearly aren't wanting enough strength to use anything else.