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[Sezarious]

(# I have edited my opening statement to suit to better suit my 'Audience'.  Bioware will do the same with the game in time because they ARE about the money)

Okay, so perhaps my title is slightly incorrect.  As many people have pointed out, the CONTENT inside a video game is art, however, the reason I posted this in the first place was because Bioware is attempting to use that as an excuse for their ending.

But the MAIN POINT I wanted people to acknowledge at the very least, is that Mass Effect IS a product AS WELL.


As such, you have two sides, the creator and the fans.

You then have two 'hard facts' one for each side.  These are:

-The creator can do whatever he wants with his creation

-If the fans do not like the creation, they can return it and or walk away

In addition, the fans are just as entitled to their requests that the creation is changed as the CREATOR is in not wanting to change it.

HOWEVER, the creator is Bioware, a multi-million dollar company that exists to make money, because although Mass Effect may be a work of art for them, it is also a product.  As such, it is almost a guarantee that they will change the ending or add extra options, all for the money.

Like I said, it is a combination of the two.  Like a lot of things, this arguement goes both ways, but Bioware will lean towards the money.  That's what corporations do.

Modifié par Sezarious, 17 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[k177sh0t]

Who said it was?

[GammaSniper]

The game critics, Kotaku springs to mind. Then again its Kotaku....

[MedhiaNox]

Of course it isn't... video games are entertainment.

There is a difference.

Your red lettering makes you seem serious.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Lol.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 16 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[nel e nel]

Sezarious wrote...

Art is priceless.

Your lack of knowledge of the art world is glaring. 

[Sezarious]

[quote]k177sh0t wrote...

Who said it was?[/quote

It's all over the forums and in professional reviewers websites as a defense against those demanding a changes to the game

e.g.

http://www.destructo...ng-223615.phtml

[MedhiaNox]

@nel e nel: I think he meant the obviously priceless pieces of artwork...

Not Twilight - or anything in MOMA.

I kid... I kid.

[LGTX]

Your presenting an extremely grey issue in black and white. I'd like things to be so simple...

[samurai crusade]

ME is in the smithsonian for art of video games.
The universe, characters, and world are pieces of art from very creative minds. I'm sorry that you didn't like the ending but the trilogy is still beautiful and a work of art

[tetrisblock4x1]

I didn't read the OP.

[arial]

first of all video games are a "modern" form of art.

and about art being priceless *turns head to left to see the picture my ex painted me* ... *turns around to see the wooden sculpture i bought at the farmers market* ... Damn, I never have to work again!

[nel e nel]

MedhiaNox wrote...

@nel e nel: I think he meant the obviously priceless pieces of artwork...

Not Twilight - or anything in MOMA.

I kid... I kid.

I get the joke, but the people who actually own the artwork in MOMA also see it as investments. 

People who buy art by new artists look at its potential increase in value in the future. 

Modifié par nel e nel, 16 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[shurikenmanta]

If someone dumping a bunch of beachballs all over a town square and setting them on fire is considered art, fairly sure Mass Effect fits the bill...

[Sezarious]

MedhiaNox wrote...

Of course it isn't... video games are entertainment.

There is a difference.

Your red lettering makes you seem serious.

This is simply a statement opposing the "It's art so sit down and shut up" concepts argued against US the customers by Bioware.

[MedhiaNox]

@samurai crusade: If that's true - and I've got no reason to believe you're lying.

ME is the "cave painting" of the potential video games have for art.

So sure - while maybe it belongs in a museum that calls it art... it's still primitive little scrawl on some obscure cave wall by a people that will not be remembered.

====

ME 3 is entertainment - if you think it's art, I'd suggest finding some actual art.

Yes - I'm a snob - no, I'm not going to apologize.

[Sezarious]

samurai crusade wrote...

ME is in the smithsonian for art of video games.
The universe, characters, and world are pieces of art from very creative minds. I'm sorry that you didn't like the ending but the trilogy is still beautiful and a work of art

YES the content IS artistic, but at the end of the day the game IS a PRODUCT.  It can be treated by its customers as one

[nel e nel]

Waitaminit...Sezarious, have you actually, like, played the game? I'm not seeing the little '3' under your icon.

Modifié par nel e nel, 16 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[blitzzz]

Sezarious wrote...

It is greatly concerning the number of people defending the idea that WE, the customers cannot demand a better ending.

Well [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">BIOWARE DOES NOT treat Mass Effect as a peice of art. ]LIKE [/color]A PRODUCT[/b].... BECAUSE IT IS!  It has a monetary value.

Art is priceless.

Mass Effect is $110.00.

Therefore, we as customers may chose whether or not the game is [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">WORTH ]WANT[/color] to treat it like a bad TOASTER, we will.  If we WANT BETTER, WE WILL DEMAND BETTER.  Or we will TAKE OUR MONEY ELSEWHERE.

No matter what people would like to think,  Bioware and it's Artists DO NOT have the moral Highground here.  They are SALESPERSONS trying to sell their PRODUCT.  If you don't want it, don't buy it, or return it

If they don't want to change it, they are only HURTING THEMSELVES.

[b]HOLD THE LINE

1. I payed 70€ for my digital version. A friend of mine payed 60 for his retail copy. I say it's your own fault for wasting almost twice as much money on the collector editon + shipment.

2. They are not going to change the ending, they MAY be adding to it.

3. No matter what YOU would like to think, art, no matter what medium, is not free.

Modifié par blitzzz, 16 mars 2012 - 11:58 .

[Arkitekt]

OP, educated yourself about things concerning art, how it is monetized and how it isn't, and then come play again.

I would kindly educate you on the matter, because I'm just oh so generous like that, but then your red letters put me off. I don't like your tone.

[Sezarious]

arial wrote...

first of all video games are a "modern" form of art.

and about art being priceless *turns head to left to see the picture my ex painted me* ... *turns around to see the wooden sculpture i bought at the farmers market* ... Damn, I never have to work again!

I do not mean priceless in a literal sense.  I mean that there are people arguing that Mass Effect should be treated as art.  The content may be a form of art, but the game itself is still a PRODUCT.

THUS people have every right to demand their own ending.  If BIOWARE wants to keep it their way because it's 'their art', then that's fine, but they are a company that needs money.  And they're not going to make money sticking to the whole "Our game is art so we won't change it" idea.  People won't buy a game they hate.  Or they'll get a refund

I did, until further notice.  It's a product.  If we don't like it, we can return it.

[inblack]

you my good sir is idiot

[Woffen5]

Whats art and whats not is a matter of perception. What the developer might not regard as art (well, concept artists and graphical artists might do so) others will.

[TheProfessor234]

BIOWARE DOES NOT LIKE TOASTER

WE WANT WORTH PRODUCT

HOLD HURTING SALESPERSONS

I found the secret message.

[Sezarious]

nel e nel wrote...

Waitaminit...Sezarious, have you actually, like, played the game? I'm not seeing the little '3' under your icon.

I returned it.  I got my money back.  That's why i did not register under mass effect 3.  I registered under mass effect 2 to gain access.

I wonder how many angry people have not been able to post on these forums due to those rules/restrictions