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[cerberus1701]

Capeo wrote...

Bioware already screwed up their canon dozens of times. And there's already a precedent. Not to mention giving more information is not "changing" per se.

Indeed, what's there already can easily be built upon.

[I RJay I]

We are not fighting AGAINST Bioware, we are fighting FOR Mass Effect.

We are simply pointing out that if the ending is taken on face value it is literally the WORST piece of writing I've seen in years. And we were lied to in the selling of this product as they have clearly stated loads of choice and unanswered questions etc. Which we were not provided. And I'm pretty sure making false claims to a customer about the product they are buying is against the law.
If it's indoctrination theory, then we don't have the full ending, the game is not complete. (Planned free DLC to FINISH the story, NOT CHANGE it... which seems the most likely) then thats great and I would actually love the ending and forever trust Bioware.

[Tequila Man]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction.

You were doing well until that happended.  Everything in your post is invalid because Bioware sold this specifically as a player-based space opera, where OUR decisions dictate the plot of the story. Mass Effect is Bioware's Universe; the fiction is ours.

[GuilleCuba]

Bioware change or fix the ending. You are going to loose a very big fan base if you don't, please do the right thing four your business

[jdgjordan]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

The precedent was already set. It was set by plays, movies, and books before games were a thing. Test audiences and editors have changed endings since long before you were born.

We are neither test audiences or editors. So there is no precedent

so you are saying your one plee out way's all {most} of are's

[cerberus1701]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

The precedent was already set. It was set by plays, movies, and books before games were a thing. Test audiences and editors have changed endings since long before you were born.

We are neither test audiences or editors. So there is no precedent

Broken.

Steel.

[I RJay I]

I'm pretty sure that people who liked the ending didn't really pay much attention and haven't paid much attention through the series... More like a casual ME gamer, who was like... wow pretty cool, reapers are dead and my friends are safe hurray.

Not questioning the 100 plot holes along the way.

[Pyromatic Tabby]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

The precedent was already set. It was set by plays, movies, and books before games were a thing. Test audiences and editors have changed endings since long before you were born.

We are neither test audiences or editors. So there is no precedent

Putting your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALALA' do not disprove that most media has a precedent of a piece of media having the ending rewritten for the audience,

while not common is has happened, in games media FO3 'Broken Steel' is a fair example, before that NW2 had it's ending changed with the expansion 'Mask of the Betrayer'.

Etc Etc

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Ok, really I don't get the comparison to Broken Steel.. it didnt CHANGE the ending, it just opened up the game to be continued... Well, ok I guess if you DIED then it has you miraculously survive... but still.


Now, as for changing the ending... I LIKED all the endings and the OPTIONS of what to do... but the problem I DO see is no matter what happens Joker flees a (insert your color choice here) shockwave and ends up stranded on a jungle planet.  Control the Reapers, Destroy the Reapers, Become Cyborgs... all three are definite different choices... and the effects or those are seen in that short cutscene on Earth, then you get the Normany fleeing... More variety and more about the consequences of our decision I WOULD like.

[leianajade]

If Bioware released DLC, you could simply not download it/not buy it. It would be the best of both worlds for everyone.

[Fame-KIllz]

Don't download it if it comes out then. I don't see how it effects people who liked the ending if people who didn't (the majority) get alternatives.

[Turkeysock]

"Loud Minority?"

I know a lot of people irl who've played and beaten ME3, they hated the endings but aren't the kind of people who go out of their way to voice their opinions.

I've talked to a lot of people on the ME3 multiplayer who absolutely hate the endings, but they don't bother to chat about it in forums or on websites because they just don't feel like it.

There are a bunch of people on here who've signed up but either don't bother to post because someone else has already voiced an opinion very similar to theirs, or they just don't want to get in the middle of the fight.

Either way, knbettenhausen, you are the minority. And it's not that I don't respect your opinion, you can choose to like the endings if you want. But we were promised closure and a definite end to the series. I and many others who don't like the endings have stated that we accept the fact that Shepard will die at the end. But what we cannot accept is the fact that no matter the choice we make, R, B, or G, we get almost the exact same ending.

As customers who've paid 60+ USD (if you change that to the Euro, Pound or any other currency it's about the same amount in USD), we were told certain things would be in this product, which were not. That's what we're angry about.

[Syrellaris]

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

Why would the ending be chanced because a handfull of people disliked it. As it stands the majority still enjoyed the ending. Both parties have equal claims. Wether you agree or not.

[knbettenhausen]

Killer3000ad wrote...

If you having problems with the ending, I got news for you son, this http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/ shows that the majority of people hate the ending. There are also BSN polls that show people who hate the ending are the HUGE HUGE majority.

The poll I saw shows 43,000 want a better ending... This game will sell in the 3 millions. And you can be certain that most people who come to the polls to vote do so because they are angry, not happy with the game

[garf]

knbettenhausen wrote...

As I read a few more posts from Bioware about them listening to concerns and their plans to release campaign DLC I get more and more fearful that they will actually create a new ending for ME3. Not only would this be a terrible idea for the Mass Effect games, but this would set a terrible precident for game fiction in general. I think it's completely justified for people not to enjoy the ending of Mass Effect 3. Every piece of fiction has people who don't enjoy it; unfortunetly for Bioware, Mass Effect has a very loud minority of people who don't enjoy the ending and hatefully want it changed (and yes, those of you who are hatefully complaining about the ending are in the minority of the millions who will complete ME3). 

Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction. It is their characters and their world. People complain that the Shepard they "created" is their Shepard, but it isn't! Every single choice you made in Mass Effect was a planned story piece that Bioware created. It is clear that with the relays being destroyed and Shepard's crew crash landing on the unknown planet for each ending that Bioware has a direction for where they want that story to continue, if it does in fact continue at all. I'm ok with them releasing DLC, books, comics, movies, etc about what may have happen to other races or crew members after the end of ME3, but it would be a horrific idea if they were to change the endings or create a new one.

We don't want to set a precedent in gaming fiction that if gamers complain enough that the writer's behind gaming fiction have to change their fiction. As audiences to this fiction we have to accept what is given to us whether terrible or great. If you want answers to questions unanswered that is ok. As long as you aren't asking Bioware to screw up the canon of their work. And it's ok for Bioware to leave Mass Effect 3 with unaswered questions. They have more planned for the Mass Effect universe whether DLC, comic, book, or movie. Have patience.

I don't think Bioware will crumble and change the ending, but this is my plee for them not to.

So your response to my grievance is, as a third party, to tell them not to listen to me because you think it offends some principal of yours?

why don't you talk to me and convince me to back down?

[STAR_KILLER423]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Ok, really I don't get the comparison to Broken Steel.. it didnt CHANGE the ending, it just opened up the game to be continued... Well, ok I guess if you DIED then it has you miraculously survive... but still.


Now, as for changing the ending... I LIKED all the endings and the OPTIONS of what to do... but the problem I DO see is no matter what happens Joker flees a (insert your color choice here) shockwave and ends up stranded on a jungle planet.  Control the Reapers, Destroy the Reapers, Become Cyborgs... all three are definite different choices... and the effects or those are seen in that short cutscene on Earth, then you get the Normany fleeing... More variety and more about the consequences of our decision I WOULD like.

They released it for the same reason that we are doing now. The fans were upset, I don't think they had planned that DLC at all until they realised how much some fans hated it

[shurryy]

knbettenhausen wrote...

We don't want to set a precedent in gaming fiction that if gamers complain enough that the writer's behind gaming fiction have to change their fiction. As audiences to this fiction we have to accept what is given to us whether terrible or great. If you want answers to questions unanswered that is ok. As long as you aren't asking Bioware to screw up the canon of their work. And it's ok for Bioware to leave Mass Effect 3 with unaswered questions. They have more planned for the Mass Effect universe whether DLC, comic, book, or movie. Have patience.

I don't think Bioware will crumble and change the ending, but this is my plee for them not to.

First: 
Yeah right who the **** would want to buy those when the galaxy is ****ed anyway?

Second:
Who are you? Some kind of Bioware saint? I suggest you go back and read all the hype about Mass Effect 3 pre-release and watch how bioware lied US, the fans in the face.  Hudson told us about the game (Example there would be no ABC ending, instead, we get RBG... A different variant of ABC) and that there would be around 17 different endings, well guess what we get? RBG. Pick one. Done. 

Go do some research on the previous games. 
Play ME1 obsessively, read all the codex entries, spend over 15-20-30 Hours, complete everything to achieve a perfect victorious ending.
Now go play ME2 obsessively, spend the same amount of time there and make everyone survive while emerging victorious. 
Now play ME3 again and expect all those forces to rally by your side to make a difference! 

Do it. I dare you. 

They can sell us a product sure, but don't they dare disrespect our intelligence by making a ****ty ending at the same time thinking we'd never notice the plotholes, because Reality is a whole lot different. 

[revo76]

It feels good to see how many people started to afraid from our movement. People started to open threads about supporting BW.

If we're minority why you bothered to write ?

[Dougremer]

knbettenhausen wrote...

As I read a few more posts from Bioware about them listening to concerns and their plans to release campaign DLC I get more and more fearful that they will actually create a new ending for ME3. Not only would this be a terrible idea for the Mass Effect games, but this would set a terrible precident for game fiction in general. I think it's completely justified for people not to enjoy the ending of Mass Effect 3. Every piece of fiction has people who don't enjoy it; unfortunetly for Bioware, Mass Effect has a very loud minority of people who don't enjoy the ending and hatefully want it changed (and yes, those of you who are hatefully complaining about the ending are in the minority of the millions who will complete ME3). 

Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction. It is their characters and their world. People complain that the Shepard they "created" is their Shepard, but it isn't! Every single choice you made in Mass Effect was a planned story piece that Bioware created. It is clear that with the relays being destroyed and Shepard's crew crash landing on the unknown planet for each ending that Bioware has a direction for where they want that story to continue, if it does in fact continue at all. I'm ok with them releasing DLC, books, comics, movies, etc about what may have happen to other races or crew members after the end of ME3, but it would be a horrific idea if they were to change the endings or create a new one.

We don't want to set a precedent in gaming fiction that if gamers complain enough that the writer's behind gaming fiction have to change their fiction. As audiences to this fiction we have to accept what is given to us whether terrible or great. If you want answers to questions unanswered that is ok. As long as you aren't asking Bioware to screw up the canon of their work. And it's ok for Bioware to leave Mass Effect 3 with unaswered questions. They have more planned for the Mass Effect universe whether DLC, comic, book, or movie. Have patience.

I don't think Bioware will crumble and change the ending, but this is my plee for them not to.

Well that's the thing, the game isn't over, my Shepard woke up in rubble. So if they "change" it, they will only add stuff upon it, like an extended film.

[I RJay I]

Turkeysock wrote...

"Loud Minority?"

I know a lot of people irl who've played and beaten ME3, they hated the endings but aren't the kind of people who go out of their way to voice their opinions.

I've talked to a lot of people on the ME3 multiplayer who absolutely hate the endings, but they don't bother to chat about it in forums or on websites because they just don't feel like it.

There are a bunch of people on here who've signed up but either don't bother to post because someone else has already voiced an opinion very similar to theirs, or they just don't want to get in the middle of the fight.

Either way, knbettenhausen, you are the minority. And it's not that I don't respect your opinion, you can choose to like the endings if you want. But we were promised closure and a definite end to the series. I and many others who don't like the endings have stated that we accept the fact that Shepard will die at the end. But what we cannot accept is the fact that no matter the choice we make, R, B, or G, we get almost the exact same ending.

As customers who've paid 60+ USD (if you change that to the Euro, Pound or any other currency it's about the same amount in USD), we were told certain things would be in this product, which were not. That's what we're angry about.

This... I know lots of people who didn't like it, but they didn't care as much about the series... So they just said "well that ending was a bit crap" and that was that.  That means they won't be buying DLC for it, but if the ending was added to or changed, whatever... I'm sure that they would, and I certainly would.
I actually, only know of 1 person who liked the end, and from what I've heard from him, he didn't understand the endings.  But I didn't have the heart to inform him and ruin the ending for him, so I let him live in his land of space magic where he is happy.

[garf]

Syrellaris wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

Why would the ending be chanced because a handfull of people disliked it. As it stands the majority still enjoyed the ending. Both parties have equal claims. Wether you agree or not.

To be fair "Change" is how YOU are framing the debate.

Added to would work for me. More closure. more options. REAL options not three different coloured doors to the same ending. Which you can keep, so it's not affecting you.

I challenge your claim to the majority. prove it. and not with the old trite 'Silent Majority' argument. That went out with Reagan

Modifié par garf, 16 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Tenudin]

Baronesa wrote...

Fallout 3 called and says hi

The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.

[knbettenhausen]

Tequila Man wrote...

knbettenhausen wrote...

Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction.

You were doing well until that happended.  Everything in your post is invalid because Bioware sold this specifically as a player-based space opera, where OUR decisions dictate the plot of the story. Mass Effect is Bioware's Universe; the fiction is ours.

The fiction is ours as much as an adventure book's fiction is ours. You are on a ride. Bioware's writers created every single line of fiction. It is their's sir. The fact that you think it's yours is both silly and a testament to how powerful Bioware's writing is

[knbettenhausen]

Tenudin wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Fallout 3 called and says hi

The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.

Agreed. They changed Fallout 3's ending so that people could actually play their DLC after they beat the game. It was essentially a bug fix.

[xtorma]

Syrellaris wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

Why would the ending be chanced because a handfull of people disliked it. As it stands the majority still enjoyed the ending. Both parties have equal claims. Wether you agree or not.

How much, exactly, can your hand hold?