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[STAR_KILLER423]

Another thing, The game is already released which means that any changes would be through DLC. If you are fine with the endings as they are, then you are more than welcome to not download anything like that. No one would be forcing you to, it is completely up to you to download it or not

[Dreogan]

Ah yes, the "slippery slope" argument. Logical fallacy.

The raison d'etre of the trilogy fell flat, and was the opposite of what we were promised. There is absolutely nothing wrong with holding a company's feet to the fire to deliver what is expected of them.

The issue with the ending isn't down to taste or preference. It's simply invalid: the narrative rejects it. If we do get them to fix (not change) the ending, then we are setting a precident that gamers will no longer accept just anything thrown into a box-- just as long as the box gets shipped on time.

Modifié par Dreogan, 16 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[shurryy]

knbettenhausen wrote...

The poll I saw shows 43,000 want a better ending... This game will sell in the 3 millions. And you can be certain that most people who come to the polls to vote do so because they are angry, not happy with the game

Yeah that would be nice if it were true.
But I am afraid that's not how statistics work... Those who bother to vote do so, those who don't doesn't give a crap and their voices will never be heard. Those who do care are the ones who are heard, and they are the ones who will be listened to, and not the silent majority who doesn't speak up. 

[Nixter Shepard]

revo76 wrote...

It feels good to see how many people started to afraid from our movement. People started to open threads about supporting BW.

If we're minority why you bothered to write ?

Ummm... what.....

[BrinkFX]

I'm curious about the stats of "minority" yet people say it is 90% dislike it. Just wondering if it was a poll done on BSN or where and how it can account for the majority of the game itself. Standard check for variables is all I'm asking. Also, people can debate of course. Like it. Dont like it. Your choice. I'm thinking maybe a problem arises from the extent that some of those who dislike it are going. Also, from an extent that those who favor it may be going.

[Treavor647]

GuilleCuba wrote...

Bioware change or fix the ending. You are going to loose a very big fan base if you don't, please do the right thing four your business

^This.  It would be very wise for them to patch, fix, dlc, anything the ending.  The way the handle this might deteer others from purchasing their games again.  I am surprised there there is not a signed petition for that.

[Syrellaris]

garf wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

Why would the ending be chanced because a handfull of people disliked it. As it stands the majority still enjoyed the ending. Both parties have equal claims. Wether you agree or not.

To be fair "Change" is how YOU are framing the debate.

Added to would work for me. More closure. more options. REAL options not three different coloured doors to the same ending. Which you can keep, so it's not affecting you.

I challenge your claim to the majority. prove it. and not with the old trite 'Silent Majority' argument. That went out with Reagan

So i made a spelling error..boohoo. Djees.

Also I could say the same thing to you. Proof it that the majority wants it changed. and dont link to the 47000 poll vote, because that has false information in its votes.

[xtorma]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Tenudin wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Fallout 3 called and says hi

The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.

Agreed. They changed Fallout 3's ending so that people could actually play their DLC after they beat the game. It was essentially a bug fix.

so it had absolutly nothing to do with the fact that many people were upset by the ending?

[Killer3000ad]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

If you having problems with the ending, I got news for you son, this http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/ shows that the majority of people hate the ending. There are also BSN polls that show people who hate the ending are the HUGE HUGE majority.

The poll I saw shows 43,000 want a better ending... This game will sell in the 3 millions. And you can be certain that most people who come to the polls to vote do so because they are angry, not happy with the game

Ever heard of how they do polling for the elections? They don't call every single citizen in the country and ask them who'd they vote for, they take a sample. 43,000 out of 50,000 votes, is a VERY GOOD SAMPLE.

Don't believe me? Back when there was the whole FemShep voting on facebook, there was a separate BSN poll going. The Facebook vote had like 60,000 votes, the BSN poll had about 6000 but the results were so similiar that the margin of error was about 2-5%.

[knbettenhausen]

garf wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

Why would the ending be chanced because a handfull of people disliked it. As it stands the majority still enjoyed the ending. Both parties have equal claims. Wether you agree or not.

To be fair "Change" is how YOU are framing the debate.

Added to would work for me. More closure. more options. REAL options not three different coloured doors to the same ending. Which you can keep, so it's not affecting you.

I challenge your claim to the majority. prove it. and not with the old trite 'Silent Majority' argument. That went out with Reagan

Who's to say if Bioware releases another ending that people will like it? Or if they release 3 more endings, or 10. Should they keep releasing endings until they appease all of the noise? Absolutely not, it's absurd. That would get out of hand. 

[deathscythe517]

Oh look it's this topic again.

*Yawn.*

[GreyhameBioware]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Tenudin wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Fallout 3 called and says hi

The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.

Agreed. They changed Fallout 3's ending so that people could actually play their DLC after they beat the game. It was essentially a bug fix.

But it's a valid exmaple, so ti does.  Trying to invalidate it doesn't help your argument that they shouldn't change it.  There are others in the non-video game world as well (look up Sherlock Holmes).  Endings can be changed because fans don't like them.

knbettenhausen wrote...

Who's to say if Bioware releases another ending that people will like it? Or if they release 3 more endings, or 10. Should they keep releasing endings until they appease all of the noise? Absolutely not, it's absurd. That would get out of hand. 

 

Nobody.  But that's a stupid reason to not change it as well.

Modifié par GreyhameBioware, 16 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[omgBAMF]

Tequila Man wrote...

knbettenhausen wrote...

Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction.

You were doing well until that happended.  Everything in your post is invalid because Bioware sold this specifically as a player-based space opera, where OUR decisions dictate the plot of the story. Mass Effect is Bioware's Universe; the fiction is ours.

Exactly.  Mass Effect is not a movie where the audience is an outside spectator watching what is going on.  The player is the one deciding where the story should go.

[STAR_KILLER423]

Tenudin wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Fallout 3 called and says hi

The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.

Except that they released it for the exact same reasons that are happening with Mass Effect and Bioware now. The fans didn't like that they couldn't play after, so they made it so you could. They never planned on doing that. You can't dismiss evidence against you just because you don't like it. I'm not saying that you should hate the endings, its your right to think what you want just as others can not like them.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

knbettenhausen wrote...

Who's to say if Bioware releases another ending that people will like it? Or if they release 3 more endings, or 10. Should they keep releasing endings until they appease all of the noise? Absolutely not, it's absurd. That would get out of hand. 

Pretty weak argument. You may as well be saying that developers should never take feedback into account, because there will always be someone who doesn't like gameplay changes, or whatever.

[Dusty Boy T]

They don't NEED to change it. They'll just lose a lot of customers if they don't.

[shurryy]

knbettenhausen wrote...



Who's to say if Bioware releases another ending that people will like it? Or if they release 3 more endings, or 10. Should they keep releasing endings until they appease all of the noise? Absolutely not, it's absurd. That would get out of hand. 

Just as absurd as the current ending. Besides if it does get released it will be through DLC as someone already stated, you don't have to get it. Now walk away. 

[I RJay I]

I don't get why everybody hates us? We don't want the ending to change. We want it to be added to.

Why is that such a bad thing? They left us with plot holes and too many unanswered questions... It's good to have some, but the whole story is literally unanswered... We were promised those questions were answered, and they weren't. So we want them answered as promised. And we don't have to have to pay EVEN more money for those answers. I spent £50 on ME3, because I got the Digital Deluxe Edition so that I could get the absolute fullest experience of ME3. But I feel like I haven't even finish the game yet... Even though I have.

[KainrycKarr]

 There is only evidence to suggest we are in the majority; there is none to support otherwise.

It doesn't mean we ARE the majority, but for you to claim we are the minority is just downright foolish at this point.

The reason ME3 is different from other stories is because it wasn't advertised or intended to be a story told to us.

It was meant to be a story that players could tell within a very broad narrative.

But when push came to shove, we got the exact same A, B, or C choices that Casey Hudson himself CLAIMED we would not be getting.

[Eyeshield21]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Broken Steel says hello.

Don't forget Prince of Persia epilouge(it cost 10 bucks), but if its like Broken Steel, then add more stuff to it, that's why it cost 10 bucks, but if its just the real ending, it should be free.

[Elite Midget]

Another one of these Topics? Please stop spamming and just post in the last 125172742 Topics trying to be a Hipster too.

[Gnarlesee]

They dont even really have to "change" the endings for my case. But they need to make LONGER endings, where they actually explain in some kind of detail, what the actually -beep- went on after you made your decision.

Everything going boom and joker garus and tali having a orgiem and making a whole new space race is not an ending. There just needs to be some good epilogue, where the consequences gets told. There is nothing wrong with holes you need to fill out yourself. But right now that is all it is, one big hole.

[KillSlash45]

Killer3000ad wrote...

If you having problems with the ending, I got news for you son, this http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/ shows that the majority of people hate the ending. There are also BSN polls that show people who hate the ending are the HUGE HUGE majority.

Key word (abbreviation) here is is "BSN" 

BSN is one small part of the overall customer base of ME3. Also, the BSN polls are stupid biased.

[deathscythe517]

Just to clarify yet the difference between a video game, art, and literature is that the latter two can be viewed before purchase but the first has to be purchased before you know if you like the content or not and even if you get a refund you're ****ed because that's coming out of the store's profits, not the company. Talking with your wallet is more difficult than you may think. And we're not asking them to get rid of the endings, we're asking that they add some actually variety and an epilogue.

Loyalty to any corporation is sorely misplaced and this topic has been brought up numerous times only for it to go nowhere because the opening poster descended into incoherent babbling or outright insults or just refused to agree to disagree. This is going to go nowhere. You are not enlightening anyone and it's really pathetic that you feel like you have to address Bioware directly in your thread name, not to mention it's egotistical as all hell.

But hey, I agree to disagree, so keep right on keeping on.

[Palladin123]

In response to the general argument that it's only 40-50k people in the polls that have mentioned they want a changed ending: for every one mass effect fan who came here on BSN to vote in the poll, there're going to be 10-20 fans who didn't like the ending but didn't have the time to come to BSN and vote/make their voice heard. And for every one fan who didn't like the ending, there're going to be 50-100 casual gamers who bought ME3 based on the reputation of Bioware and the franchise, and who're going to walk away from the game thinking "That really didn't make a lot of sense. It's weird - all my gaming friends said Mass Effect is the one RPG you should really try."

Modifié par Palladin123, 16 mars 2012 - 04:18 .