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[Ohpus]

ME books have been changed due to inaccuracies. Why not this?

Besides which a game is not a book or other artist media. EA has made it very clear this is a product. As such it's consumers are dissatisfied with the product. You cannot have it both ways.

[mxfox408]

Very loud minority? Majority of polls and posts say otherwise. You mean a very loud majority that disliked the ending.

[Uezurii]

saracen16 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

It's not just one plee. It's my plee as well, as well as the plee of many fans of Mass Effect also on BSN.

Hey why don't you all start a poll, raise money for charity and go on a crusade to keep the ending then if you ALL, the so so many of you that there apparantly are, are so concerned????

Because I refuse to emotionally blackmail a company that has the sole rights to its own story.

Oh..It's you. Move along people.

Seriously though, we are not blackmailing anyone, we are showing support and simply ask for more options. If you dont want it, then you're not forced to download the DLC ending, for example. So what is really your problem? Go enjoy the ending you got now and be done with it.

[Grunkera]

Stygian1 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

It's not just one plee. It's my plee as well, as well as the plee of many fans of Mass Effect also on BSN.

No its just one... yours.... maybe like three more? there aren't many of you. 

I mean yes, there were people who liked the ending. But, most of them don't want to destroy it for everyone else. For instance: If I liked the ending but obviously 90% of everyone else didn't I'd want it changed for their sake. I wouldn't want to make them hate the series we've all grown to love. But, the .001% on the forums here enjoy trying to ruin ME for anyone who was emotionally crushed by that BS ending.

I can't stand you people... and I can't understand you either. 

Total agree stygian1

If there is an change of the ending it will be most likely optional, so the people who like the ending as it is have the choice to stick with the original one or to go with the new one.
It´s just uncivil to attack those who critisize the ending!

[Spitfiremk87]

The same guy has been ranting about not changing the ending all day. Quit posting on this thread, your just feeding him.

[GreyhameBioware]

KillSlash45 wrote...

And those polls got those votes from......you guesed it. The BSN community. Those polls were linked all over the place here in threads.....about how bad the ending was.

Only way I can safely say that a poll is accurate is if they randomy gave a poll to people out of the pool of everyone who bought the game. To get a good, representative sample size. No that does not mean all customers, that means randomly give out so many polls from the list of total customers.

Actually, most seem to be ngative before I see them here.  I mean, you can think what you want, but that really doesn't disprove that most of the people dislike the ending.  Hell, I know of lots of other people who hate the ending but don't come here either.  I know it's not definitive, but your kind of grasping at straws to show the polls don't matter.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

saracen16 wrote...

You can't stand me for having a different opinion? Since when did we live in a Fascist state?

Your profound unterstanding of "facism" is truly mindboggling...

[KillSlash45]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

HEY. I thought the whole point was that the backlas WASN'T about wanting a disney ending? Hmmmm......

It isn't, at least so far...

But I would love to see them add a happily ever after ending just to make you guys cry

I wouldn't cry. I'd just be like......Really? They just beat a galaxy destroying army and come out happily ever after?

Modifié par KillSlash45, 16 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[marshkoala]

I finished Mass Effect 3 Tuesday night(I played 1 &2 for years)and after going thru the "5 Stages of Mass Effect 3" Grief, I am still disturbed by the ending!
Not just for the reasons mentioned in most of the threads, but by the nature of the ending..............
Whoever wrote the bottle shooting scene with Garrus
Whoever wrote the time capsule with Liara
Whoever wrote the Morlan scene
They conveyed the Mass Effect genius!
But the ending doesn't seem to have the same time or effort of love written into it.
Am I the only one who feels that someone who never wrote Mass Effect 1,2 or 3 wrote the ending?????

[KillSlash45]

Grunkera wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

It's not just one plee. It's my plee as well, as well as the plee of many fans of Mass Effect also on BSN.

No its just one... yours.... maybe like three more? there aren't many of you. 

I mean yes, there were people who liked the ending. But, most of them don't want to destroy it for everyone else. For instance: If I liked the ending but obviously 90% of everyone else didn't I'd want it changed for their sake. I wouldn't want to make them hate the series we've all grown to love. But, the .001% on the forums here enjoy trying to ruin ME for anyone who was emotionally crushed by that BS ending.

I can't stand you people... and I can't understand you either. 

Total agree stygian1

If there is an change of the ending it will be most likely optional, so the people who like the ending as it is have the choice to stick with the original one or to go with the new one.
It´s just uncivil to attack those who critisize the ending!

It's also uncivil to attack people who did like it. It doesn't happen a lot but when it does, it is kind of funny. For instance here is a quote 

"
Just what kind of loser are you? I think this vote is a pretty good random sampling of players and apparently nearly 3/4 of the players are unhappy with the ending. Just because a few sick sociopaths like you prefer dark, twisted endings where everyone dies does not mean the general public are also sick perverted tools. "

[Turtlicious]

you've been trolled
you've been trolled
you have probably been told
"don't reply to this guy, he is just getting a rise
out of you," yes its true
you respond and that's his cue
to start trouble on the double
while he strokes his manly stubble.
you've been trolled
you've been trolled
you should probably just fold
when the only winning move is not to play!
and yet you keep on trying, mindlessly replying,
you've been trolled, you've been trolled, have a nice day!

I'm just gonna start posting this in troll threads.

Also, let's start judging the whole fan base by only the **** bags.

Modifié par Turtlicious, 16 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Apfelweinbrauer]

KillSlash45 wrote...

I wouldn't cry. I'd just be like......Really? They just beat a galaxy destroying army and come out happily ever after?

So, what's the problem of giving this ending to a paragon player who would like to achieve exactly that?

[P47 ace]

34,000+ people is a minority

[cerberus1701]

Quote:

While it appears the majority of people dislike the endings or at least didn't enjoy them, they have accepted it for what it is, and are not demanding or even asking for it to be changed. Alternate ending DLC therefore will not be coming, since it's not marketable to the majority of the fanbase.



Not at all. The vocal people here would by it.

Many others would as well, because they are also unhappy with the end, but don't care to create another account in another forum to come say so.

[SteamPunkJin]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Broken Steel says hello.

Why does everyone cite this as if it was ok? 
It did what so many people are accusing Mass Effect 3 of doing - negating your choices. I'm sorry but it was beyond stupid that after your heroic sacrafice you wake up in the hospital and the old guy goes 'oh we didn't think you'd make it there! glad you're awake, let's go questing!'

[Zacharelli]

 I'd be quite happy with some additional alternatives instead of changing the colors ending completely.... My opinion, leave the existing content in there... add some additional ending content that fits with it but also provides more kinds of decisions that have pull from your decisions throughout the series.

[Capeo]

SteamPunkJin wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Broken Steel says hello.

Why does everyone cite this as if it was ok? 
It did what so many people are accusing Mass Effect 3 of doing - negating your choices. I'm sorry but it was beyond stupid that after your heroic sacrafice you wake up in the hospital and the old guy goes 'oh we didn't think you'd make it there! glad you're awake, let's go questing!'

No it didn't.  You had no choices in FO3.  That's why it's barely a FO game and that's why I dread Bethesda doing FO4.  NV was brilliant because the Obsidian team made it.  It, like all previous FO games, had a defined end but that end was different based on your choices as opposed to FO3 which railroaded you to the same end no matter what.

[KillSlash45]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

I wouldn't cry. I'd just be like......Really? They just beat a galaxy destroying army and come out happily ever after?

So, what's the problem of giving this ending to a paragon player who would like to achieve exactly that?

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

I'd be fine with more similiar tone endings, more endings based on choice, etc. Ones that patch up the plot holes and incositencies, or even retcon them if they can't do it with just the ending.

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

[Venturisection]

Sorry but if you actually liked the ending you should be actively getting people who liked it to vote on http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ I am of the opinion that it was definetly a completely unthorough ending to an epic series.

At the moment the polls show that people who liked the ending are in the minority by a long distance. If you really think that the ending is good create a facebook page and get all the people who liked it to vote the other way. Simple as and it would give people who disliked it an actual idea of whether or not they are the majority and therefore justified in asking for a better thought out ending.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

knbettenhausen wrote...

As I read a few more posts from Bioware about them listening to concerns and their plans to release campaign DLC I get more and more fearful that they will actually create a new ending for ME3. Not only would this be a terrible idea for the Mass Effect games, but this would set a terrible precident for game fiction in general. I think it's completely justified for people not to enjoy the ending of Mass Effect 3. Every piece of fiction has people who don't enjoy it; unfortunetly for Bioware, Mass Effect has a very loud minority of people who don't enjoy the ending and hatefully want it changed (and yes, those of you who are hatefully complaining about the ending are in the minority of the millions who will complete ME3). 

Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction. It is their characters and their world. People complain that the Shepard they "created" is their Shepard, but it isn't! Every single choice you made in Mass Effect was a planned story piece that Bioware created. It is clear that with the relays being destroyed and Shepard's crew crash landing on the unknown planet for each ending that Bioware has a direction for where they want that story to continue, if it does in fact continue at all. I'm ok with them releasing DLC, books, comics, movies, etc about what may have happen to other races or crew members after the end of ME3, but it would be a horrific idea if they were to change the endings or create a new one.

We don't want to set a precedent in gaming fiction that if gamers complain enough that the writer's behind gaming fiction have to change their fiction. As audiences to this fiction we have to accept what is given to us whether terrible or great. If you want answers to questions unanswered that is ok. As long as you aren't asking Bioware to screw up the canon of their work. And it's ok for Bioware to leave Mass Effect 3 with unaswered questions. They have more planned for the Mass Effect universe whether DLC, comic, book, or movie. Have patience.

I don't think Bioware will crumble and change the ending, but this is my plee for them not to.

First off Bioware wouldn't be the first company to release a DLC that changed, added, altered, fixed, or fleshed out endings that gamers (and critics) didn't like. Fallout 3: Broken Steel was created because everybody thought the ending was stupid and it opened up the game world as well. I read in another thread that one of the Prince of Persia games also had an epilogue DLC that changed the ending. So while it maybe rare it's not exactly a setting a precedent.
 

Also IMHO a more hopeful ending IMHO would be financially a better way to go because I'm not interested right now in a playing a Mass Effect MMO, prequel, or a side-story which is all that can be done with the current endings. I think setting up an ending where the Citadel and the mass effect relays are not all destroyed and there are a bunch of humans, asari, krogan, and turians stranded on Earth, would allow the franchise to move forward. A Mass Effect prequel game couldn't really be a decision based RPG, because Bioware have already made those decisions and it ruin the canon already established in the previous games, novels, and comics and the same with a side story. I don't play MMOs.  

I will say that if there is an endings DLC, I hope that there is a way to keep them for people like you who enjoyed the current endings, and for people like me who don't like them and rather have a more hopeful ending or one that just makes a lot more sense.  

[Denora]

Hey everyone, try to calm down and respect peoples' different opinions. We talk and debate about this like mature individuals. Not everyone wants to change the ending. I do wish for either a change or a diverse epilogue that provides the promised closure. But I will respect any other valid argument stating why the endings should be left vague.

Also note, that yes it is Bioware's art and fiction, and some people have been throwing the argument, "you wouldn't ask an artist to change their art". In response I have to say, people ask artists to change their work all the time, they're called Critics (an actual profession). Galleries at any given point are likely turning down over one million pieces every day and asking for alterations.



 I have comparisons as an example in several other threads regarding Mass Effect as Art.

Also if Video Games are an art (Which I do believe) then I say they are a commissioned art. Before I purchased ME3, I saw an interview with Mac Walters (which I can't find the source), in which he stated, the ending will answer all questions, there will be diverse endings and player actions effect the ending greatly. I do not feel these have been met.

Now I'd like to clarify my position on the matter, I wouldn't mind the ending so much if it wasn't the actual ending, meaning if there was more after the matter. Example, if indoctrination theory held true and the topic discussed in the other thread was true. The aftermath was where the EMS and previous choices took place to effect the ending from there.

[Gnarlesee]

Palladin123 wrote...

In response to the general argument that it's only 40-50k people in the polls that have mentioned they want a changed ending: for every one mass effect fan who came here on BSN to vote in the poll, there're going to be 10-20 fans who didn't like the ending but didn't have the time to come to BSN and vote/make their voice heard. And for every one fan who didn't like the ending, there're going to be 50-100 casual gamers who bought ME3 based on the reputation of Bioware and the franchise, and who're going to walk away from the game thinking "That really didn't make a lot of sense. It's weird - all my gaming friends said Mass Effect is the one RPG you should really try."

This^

[Cosmar]

OP, this has already happened several times in the history of artistic entertainment, and each time it has only strengthened the final product.

Fallout 3 included Broken Steel, which altered the ending, and suddenly everyone loved the game even more because the ending was actually good.

Even Charles Dickens rewrote the ending of his Great Expectations, and the new ending is widely considered the "better" or "canon" ending by literary critics.

Bioware only stands to gain by changing the ending.

BW changing the ending = admitting mistakes, and *showing* that they actually care about/ listen to their fans. They *say* they do, but until they prove it, it's just a bunch of empty words.

[aliengmr1]

Why do movies have pre-screenings? just throwing that out there.

[llllshadowllll]

Stop given attention to this guy!