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[Venturisection]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

I wouldn't cry. I'd just be like......Really? They just beat a galaxy destroying army and come out happily ever after?

So, what's the problem of giving this ending to a paragon player who would like to achieve exactly that?

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

I'd be fine with more similiar tone endings, more endings based on choice, etc. Ones that patch up the plot holes and incositencies, or even retcon them if they can't do it with just the ending.

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

I thought it was more "this isn't going to end well unless the whole galaxy works together." 
Also given that the Geth and Quarians can work together doesn't make sense to all the sudden say "Synthetics and Organics" can never live together. 

Every other ending ME1 and ME2 had a satisfying ending of over coming the odds and beating back the misery and the self doubt with satisfying gutsy resolve. Though ME3 seems to just desend into EMOness and doesn't come back on that ending. I didn't see Shepard getting so negative in the other ones. It just seemed not to fit. 

[KillSlash45]

Venturisection wrote...

Sorry but if you actually liked the ending you should be actively getting people who liked it to vote on http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ I am of the opinion that it was definetly a completely unthorough ending to an epic series.

At the moment the polls show that people who liked the ending are in the minority by a long distance. If you really think that the ending is good create a facebook page and get all the people who liked it to vote the other way. Simple as and it would give people who disliked it an actual idea of whether or not they are the majority and therefore justified in asking for a better thought out ending.

People who liked the game are by and large not even bothering to come talk about it. Why come and say something if you are simply content? Most people who liked the game aren't going to bother coming to tell everyone "yeah it was good"

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

[wrdnshprd]

i was in a minority for ME2. i thought the game overall was weaker than ME1, and was disappointed in their decision to minimize the rpg gameplay elements (gear, skills, etc). there were some on the forums that agreed with my position, but the MAJORITY didnt.

also, if you watched the forums after ME2 was released, only about 1 out of 10 threads were related to rpg elements and such.

in the case of the ME3 endings however, pretty much EVERY thread is about how bad the endings are. there is a childs play fundraiser with over 50k raised, a facebook page, and you cant go to an ME3 site without hearing fan disappointment regarding the endings.

so yeah, id say we are the majority.

[KillSlash45]

Venturisection wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

I wouldn't cry. I'd just be like......Really? They just beat a galaxy destroying army and come out happily ever after?

So, what's the problem of giving this ending to a paragon player who would like to achieve exactly that?

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

I'd be fine with more similiar tone endings, more endings based on choice, etc. Ones that patch up the plot holes and incositencies, or even retcon them if they can't do it with just the ending.

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

I thought it was more "this isn't going to end well unless the whole galaxy works together." 
Also given that the Geth and Quarians can work together doesn't make sense to all the sudden say "Synthetics and Organics" can never live together. 

Every other ending ME1 and ME2 had a satisfying ending of over coming the odds and beating back the misery and the self doubt with satisfying gutsy resolve. Though ME3 seems to just desend into EMOness and doesn't come back on that ending. I didn't see Shepard getting so negative in the other ones. It just seemed not to fit. 

I got the feeling of the only way they even had a shot is if the whole galaxy works together. And even then, it won't end well.

[Jadebaby]

saracen16 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

jdgjordan wrote...

why should your one plee come before every ones else plee to change the ending.

It's not just one plee. It's my plee as well, as well as the plee of many fans of Mass Effect also on BSN.

Hey why don't you all start a poll, raise money for charity and go on a crusade to keep the ending then if you ALL, the so so many of you that there apparantly are, are so concerned????

Because I refuse to emotionally blackmail a company that has the sole rights to its own story.

You're right, they do. But to specifically state that the ending would be this broad, dynamic way to finish up sheps story, they gave us that piece of sh*t.

They brought this on themselves with all thost promises they made.

[xeNNN]

Venturisection wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

I wouldn't cry. I'd just be like......Really? They just beat a galaxy destroying army and come out happily ever after?

So, what's the problem of giving this ending to a paragon player who would like to achieve exactly that?

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

I'd be fine with more similiar tone endings, more endings based on choice, etc. Ones that patch up the plot holes and incositencies, or even retcon them if they can't do it with just the ending.

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

I thought it was more "this isn't going to end well unless the whole galaxy works together." 
Also given that the Geth and Quarians can work together doesn't make sense to all the sudden say "Synthetics and Organics" can never live together. 

Every other ending ME1 and ME2 had a satisfying ending of over coming the odds and beating back the misery and the self doubt with satisfying gutsy resolve. Though ME3 seems to just desend into EMOness and doesn't come back on that ending. I didn't see Shepard getting so negative in the other ones. It just seemed not to fit. 

pretty blunt statement but i have to say i agree oh gosh it was deppressing i know its all war and horrific and **** but i mean come on its mass effect.... human colonists were getting abducted and melted in mass effect 2 100 000's  and yet mordin still sings gilbert and sutherland? come on. lol NEED MORE HAPPY SHIZZ comedy to lighten the moody, ever heard of troop morale? lol

[REMoyen2]

Change it, no. Finish it, yes.

[Prumand]

I'd do see where your opinionn comes from, but I have to disagree with the part about "it's not your Shepard". When you play an RPG, the character becomes YOURS. You make the decisions and you make the appearances you want. Bioware lays the foundation for the game, but we actually play it and create or own Shepards.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

So? This is fiction, phantasy, whatever you like to call it, why not make the seemingly impossible possible here? What did you expect, "Mass Effect - The Reality Simulator"?

"Shepard, you still haven't done your tax computation for last year!"
"Shepard, did you have your prostate checked this year?"
"This hurts you"

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

So, if you wanted this to happen, fine, just don't do all the fetch quests you get on the citadel, so some war assets are missing and your ending will be exactly what you wanted. But why take away the ability to achieve anything different from the other players who probably don't share your opinion?

[KillSlash45]

Palladin123 wrote...

In response to the general argument that it's only 40-50k people in the polls that have mentioned they want a changed ending: for every one mass effect fan who came here on BSN to vote in the poll, there're going to be 10-20 fans who didn't like the ending but didn't have the time to come to BSN and vote/make their voice heard. And for every one fan who didn't like the ending, there're going to be 50-100 casual gamers who bought ME3 based on the reputation of Bioware and the franchise, and who're going to walk away from the game thinking "That really didn't make a lot of sense. It's weird - all my gaming friends said Mass Effect is the one RPG you should really try."

I don't see it that way. People who are content with something have far less motivation to come and voice an opinion about it.

There are going to be a LOT more content people that didn't vote and didn't care to make their voice heard than there are those that did't like it and didn't vote.

[Jadebaby]

xeNNN wrote...

pretty blunt statement but i have to say i agree oh gosh it was deppressing i know its all war and horrific and **** but i mean come on its mass effect.... human colonists were getting abducted and melted in mass effect 2 100 000's  and yet mordin still sings gilbert and sutherland? come on. lol NEED MORE HAPPY SHIZZ comedy to lighten the moody, ever heard of troop morale? lol

Exactly! And the whole damn story was pretty f-ing depressing so we already had that "horrific war" theme going on.
Imo, they could have included a "rainbows and bunnies" paragon ending and still pull off that depressing war theme as well.

[j78]

Casey Hudson talking about the changes made to the books over a word so thousands of people are most likely going to be heard by bw .14;12
http://www.gamespot....tml?sid=6363842

[KillSlash45]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

So? This is fiction, phantasy, whatever you like to call it, why not make the seemingly impossible possible here? What did you expect, "Mass Effect - The Reality Simulator"?

"Shepard, you still haven't done your tax computation for last year!"
"Shepard, did you have your prostate checked this year?"
"This hurts you"

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

So, if you wanted this to happen, fine, just don't do all the fetch quests you get on the citadel, so some war assets are missing and your ending will be exactly what you wanted. But why take away the ability to achieve anything different from the other players who probably don't share your opinion?

A happy ending flies in the face of the established theme. I am not expecting reality. Reapers and Mass efect drives are not reality.

It's would be just so jarring if it was like "massive galaxy ending reapers come, have to get the WHOLE galaxy to stand a chance, MASSIVE battle, lives lost"

then 

"and then they lived happily ever after"

whut?

Why not just say magic robot unicorns come and gave the reapers flowers then they decided to go away if that's the case.

Also, I know I can get that ending I want, but that would require me to be less that prepared. What I think should happen is that even with the best preperations, things don't go rainbows and daiseys. 

Modifié par KillSlash45, 16 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Tenudin]

STAR_KILLER423 wrote...

Tenudin wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Fallout 3 called and says hi

The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.

Except that they released it for the exact same reasons that are happening with Mass Effect and Bioware now. The fans didn't like that they couldn't play after, so they made it so you could. They never planned on doing that. You can't dismiss evidence against you just because you don't like it. I'm not saying that you should hate the endings, its your right to think what you want just as others can not like them.

The reason for the changes was so people could ply DLC without having to start the game all over again. This is something Bioware already planned for with the way they set you back up before the final set of missions after you beat it.

Also, I find it amusing how you lump me in with one side or the other based on my comment. Regardless of how I feel about the endings in ME3, Fallout 3 is a completely different scenario as to why it was changed. Therefore it has no basis on this conversation.

[Wowlock]

And once again , you are forcing your ''deep ending'' upon others.

You liked your ending ? Fine don't change yours. But do not expect the rest us to just stand there and watch all of our experience and efforts taken away from us in 5 minutes.

You keep saying, this is their story. Sure it is but this is no Book or a movie . It is an Interactive video game than based on Player's Decision. It was it's selling point. If I wasn't able to make choices and follow a ''canon'' , I probably wouldn't play the series in the first place since it would only end up as ''just another Sci-fi Space Marine series ''

But Mass Effect defied that, gave us a chance to write our story with the basic themes and gameplay. That's why the game sold this well. That's why fans love the series. Take away the choice system and the series became just another Sci-Fi Space Marine Shooter.

We don't want to see this happening to our favorite franchise and no, we don't want to change your precious ending, we want to get our own. It should be up to me whether I let everyone die or live. It should be up to my DECISIONS and EFFORTS to shape the galaxy.

I respect those who enjoyed the ending...but when they come here and act as they are the ''ones who get the ending and the rest is just too dumb to understand'' That is the point where I stopped giving value to your arguements.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

KillSlash45 wrote...

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

Sorry but this is simply wrong. Check the forums for DA:O for example, according to your theory, they should be filled to the brim with people who hate the game and **** about it, because anyone else wouldn't bother to even register.
The exact opposite ist true, you hardly see any threads that have complaints to make, yet alone such virulent threads as the ones in the ME3 forum.

And this isn't limited to the English forums or the Bioware forums at all. In the German BioWare forums and any other forum I visited, the game is almost universially considered to be very good until the end and than completely panned for its ending.

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 16 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Jadebaby]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Palladin123 wrote...

In response to the general argument that it's only 40-50k people in the polls that have mentioned they want a changed ending: for every one mass effect fan who came here on BSN to vote in the poll, there're going to be 10-20 fans who didn't like the ending but didn't have the time to come to BSN and vote/make their voice heard. And for every one fan who didn't like the ending, there're going to be 50-100 casual gamers who bought ME3 based on the reputation of Bioware and the franchise, and who're going to walk away from the game thinking "That really didn't make a lot of sense. It's weird - all my gaming friends said Mass Effect is the one RPG you should really try."

I don't see it that way. People who are content with something have far less motivation to come and voice an opinion about it.

There are going to be a LOT more content people that didn't vote and didn't care to make their voice heard than there are those that did't like it and didn't vote.

I disagree, I think a lot of people that play Mass Effect 3 would just be like "well that was crap, next..."

Even when asking some of my friends "what did u think of the game?" and they go "yea it was awesome". 
Then I go what about the ending and every-single-time it's "average"... or worse.

[Esoretal]

BW has been pretty good to their fans over the years. Heck, they gave us a Garrus romance because people asked for it, and it made me very happy. The statement that we should not compromise the integrity of video game creators makes no sense. Interactivity is a huge part of it, and we love that we can converse with devs on certain levels. Before this, I was certain that BW loved their fans as well. A complete rejection of their fanbase is one hell of a face-heel turn.

Modifié par Esoretal, 16 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[The Night Mammoth]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

So? This is fiction, phantasy, whatever you like to call it, why not make the seemingly impossible possible here? What did you expect, "Mass Effect - The Reality Simulator"?

"Shepard, you still haven't done your tax computation for last year!"
"Shepard, did you have your prostate checked this year?"
"This hurts you"

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

So, if you wanted this to happen, fine, just don't do all the fetch quests you get on the citadel, so some war assets are missing and your ending will be exactly what you wanted. But why take away the ability to achieve anything different from the other players who probably don't share your opinion?

A happy ending flies in the face of the established theme. I am not expecting reality. Reapers and Mass efect drives are not reality.

It's would be just so jarring if it was like "massive galaxy ending reapers come, have to get the WHOLE galaxy to stand a chance, MASSIVE battle, lives lost"

then 

"and then they lived happily ever after"

whut?

Why not just say magic robot unicorns come and gave the reapers flowers then they decided to go away if that's the case.

There isn't only one theme. Inevetibility and the sheer unimaginable scope of the Reaper's power, and what little you can really do against them is one thing, but another big part of the game is hope. Shepard embodies this, he is the galaxy's hope, the only one who remains resolute through it all. Choice is another, the fact that you as the player shape the outcome of the game. 

The last two are ignored by the ending. No matter what you do, Shepard cannot have a happy ending. No matter what you do, there is only one outcome. 

[Apfelweinbrauer]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Why not just say magic robot unicorns come and gave the reapers flowers then they decided to go away if that's the case.

Uhmmm, that's pretty much exactly what happens at the end of ME3...

[savionen]

I laugh when people say "OMG, if they change the ending it's going to make all video games in the future have to rework their endings because of fan complaints!"

It's already been done, a dozen times.

[KillSlash45]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

Sorry but this is simply wrong. Check the forums for DA:O for example, according to your theory, they should be filled to the brim with people who hate the game and **** about it, because anyone else wouldn't bother to even register.
The exact opposite ist true, you hardly see any threads that have complaints to make, yet alone such virulent threads as the ones in the ME3 forum.

And this isn't limited to the English forums or the Bioware forums at all. In the German BioWare forums and any other forum I visited, the game is almost universially considered to be very good thoughout the end and than completely panned for its ending.

Because that was overwhelmingy accepted. People mostly liked that game and therfore there are hardly any dissenters. 

There is this general community who just discusses games, and that's what you see in DA:O forums. They like it well and good.

It's psychology 101 man. If you don't like something, humans are more likely to complain about it than if they are content with something.

[mrbauxjangles]

See I hate these topics. The endings sucked if you liked them great YOU DON'T HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE DLC IF IT IS RELEASED. I cannot stress that any more. If you want the endings the same Simply do not play them. Stop saying OH DON'T MAKE THE GAME BETTER CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT. They can do it if they want just like if they don't want to change the ending they will not but we can still ask. Your claim is pointless due to the fact that you will never be forced to download the dlc.

[JPR1964]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Why not just say magic robot unicorns come and gave the reapers flowers then they decided to go away if that's the case.

Uhmmm, that's pretty much exactly what happens at the end of ME3...

Yes, space magic god child toast us all!!!!

Very inspiring...



JPR out!

[Spectre Impersonator]

You know who first set a precedent for making crappy endings better? Charles Dickens with the literary classic, Great Expectations.