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[KillSlash45]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

So? This is fiction, phantasy, whatever you like to call it, why not make the seemingly impossible possible here? What did you expect, "Mass Effect - The Reality Simulator"?

"Shepard, you still haven't done your tax computation for last year!"
"Shepard, did you have your prostate checked this year?"
"This hurts you"

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

So, if you wanted this to happen, fine, just don't do all the fetch quests you get on the citadel, so some war assets are missing and your ending will be exactly what you wanted. But why take away the ability to achieve anything different from the other players who probably don't share your opinion?

A happy ending flies in the face of the established theme. I am not expecting reality. Reapers and Mass efect drives are not reality.

It's would be just so jarring if it was like "massive galaxy ending reapers come, have to get the WHOLE galaxy to stand a chance, MASSIVE battle, lives lost"

then 

"and then they lived happily ever after"

whut?

Why not just say magic robot unicorns come and gave the reapers flowers then they decided to go away if that's the case.

There isn't only one theme. Inevetibility and the sheer unimaginable scope of the Reaper's power, and what little you can really do against them is one thing, but another big part of the game is hope. Shepard embodies this, he is the galaxy's hope, the only one who remains resolute through it all. Choice is another, the fact that you as the player shape the outcome of the game. 

The last two are ignored by the ending. No matter what you do, Shepard cannot have a happy ending. No matter what you do, there is only one outcome. 

Choice should matter and change the ending. But there should be no happy one because of that sheer scope and power theme you mentioned. It is the ovarching pervasive theme through the whole series.

Yes there is a theme of hope, and that should be reflected in the sacrifice shepherd and his crew have to make to save the galaxy from a brutal extinction.

[KillSlash45]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

See I hate these topics. The endings sucked if you liked them great YOU DON'T HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE DLC IF IT IS RELEASED. I cannot stress that any more. If you want the endings the same Simply do not play them. Stop saying OH DON'T MAKE THE GAME BETTER CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT. They can do it if they want just like if they don't want to change the ending they will not but we can still ask. Your claim is pointless due to the fact that you will never be forced to download the dlc.

If they made a DLC where a giant race of pixies spread magic dust on the reapers and then shepherd and a reaper got together and had children, would you be upset?

I mean, you don't have to buy it right?

Modifié par KillSlash45, 16 mars 2012 - 05:38 .

[Kloborgg711]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Venturisection wrote...

Sorry but if you actually liked the ending you should be actively getting people who liked it to vote on http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ I am of the opinion that it was definetly a completely unthorough ending to an epic series.

At the moment the polls show that people who liked the ending are in the minority by a long distance. If you really think that the ending is good create a facebook page and get all the people who liked it to vote the other way. Simple as and it would give people who disliked it an actual idea of whether or not they are the majority and therefore justified in asking for a better thought out ending.

People who liked the game are by and large not even bothering to come talk about it. Why come and say something if you are simply content? Most people who liked the game aren't going to bother coming to tell everyone "yeah it was good"

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

Why did 80% of people vote no on a "Are you disappointed with ME2" poll?

[Kloborgg711]

KillSlash45 wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

See I hate these topics. The endings sucked if you liked them great YOU DON'T HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE DLC IF IT IS RELEASED. I cannot stress that any more. If you want the endings the same Simply do not play them. Stop saying OH DON'T MAKE THE GAME BETTER CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT. They can do it if they want just like if they don't want to change the ending they will not but we can still ask. Your claim is pointless due to the fact that you will never be forced to download the dlc.

If they made a DLC where a giant race of pixies spread magic dust on the reapers and then shepherd and a reaper got together and had children, would you be upset?

I mean, you don't have to but it right?

No, I wouldn't be upset. They won't do that because no one wants that, but if they were morons and did that, I wouldn't be upset. 

[Sinekein]

Already said somewhere else.

Some of the greatest music compositors changed their pieces after the premiere, because they felt that it could be improved. Or because the public wasn't satisfied.

Like Rachmaninoff.

Some writers did the same. Chuck Palahniuk admitted that the Fight Club ending was better in the movie, not in his book.

It is still BW's ending, not ours. But we are the players, we are part of the game. The choice is theirs now.

[KillSlash45]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Venturisection wrote...

Sorry but if you actually liked the ending you should be actively getting people who liked it to vote on http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ I am of the opinion that it was definetly a completely unthorough ending to an epic series.

At the moment the polls show that people who liked the ending are in the minority by a long distance. If you really think that the ending is good create a facebook page and get all the people who liked it to vote the other way. Simple as and it would give people who disliked it an actual idea of whether or not they are the majority and therefore justified in asking for a better thought out ending.

People who liked the game are by and large not even bothering to come talk about it. Why come and say something if you are simply content? Most people who liked the game aren't going to bother coming to tell everyone "yeah it was good"

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

Why did 80% of people vote no on a "Are you disappointed with ME2" poll?

because there was nothing with such a strong emotional response that warranted it. The level of discontent was not as strong then as it is here. SO those people who were unhappy with ME2 didn't feel so strongly the need to come voice their opinions.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

KillSlash45 wrote...

If you don't like something, humans are more likely to complain about it than if they are content with something.

One simple question:

The ME3 forums are really big and heavily frequented and most players were already registered and wrote here BEFORE ME3 hit the stores.

If the majority would have liked the edings, why don't they contribute anything like they did before the game release? Did those guys suddenly disappear into thin air right after they finished they game?

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 16 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[thesnake777]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

You know who first set a precedent for making crappy endings better? Charles Dickens with the literary classic, Great Expectations.

Yes, I read the orginal ending...dident like it..I loved the current ending, its much better it ends on a bittersweet note. Not only charles Dickens but also Sir Aruther Conen Doyle


OP this whole thing about we are in the minority is just silly. You dont like the polls on BSN fine. I wont argue with you about Sample error.
Have you noticed how the game price has dropped? thats due to the amount of copies places like Gamestop are getting sold back them. You can buy it used from gamesop for 47 dollars.... its been a week...

[bmwcrazy]

Bioware, please do not give in to threads like this and not change the ending!

[Kloborgg711]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Venturisection wrote...

Sorry but if you actually liked the ending you should be actively getting people who liked it to vote on http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ I am of the opinion that it was definetly a completely unthorough ending to an epic series.

At the moment the polls show that people who liked the ending are in the minority by a long distance. If you really think that the ending is good create a facebook page and get all the people who liked it to vote the other way. Simple as and it would give people who disliked it an actual idea of whether or not they are the majority and therefore justified in asking for a better thought out ending.

People who liked the game are by and large not even bothering to come talk about it. Why come and say something if you are simply content? Most people who liked the game aren't going to bother coming to tell everyone "yeah it was good"

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

Why did 80% of people vote no on a "Are you disappointed with ME2" poll?

because there was nothing with such a strong emotional response that warranted it. The level of discontent was not as strong then as it is here. SO those people who were unhappy with ME2 didn't feel so strongly the need to come voice their opinions.

Which is a dodgy way of saying "because not nearly as many people were disappointed with ME2 in comparison to the vast numbers of people who abhor the ME3 endings".
I'll tell you, I'll give in to your "biased statistics" reasoning, and I'll TRIPLE the number of people who liked the endings to compensate. Congratulations. 6% of people liked them.

[JELLAQTP]

On a little separate note. Who really owns Mass Effect fiction when we speak about the history? Big companies have a lot of writers. Whos owns Mass Effect story? (I'm not speaking about the copyright)

Big companies are not a hive mind, maybe 99% had another ideas. How many of the original writers are there anymore? We can say that Bioware changed their artistic vision and changed the endings. So the petition here is doing the same, but it's not the executive producer, or the publisher, or any other internal power, it's the final user who is asking for the change.

[Aedan276]

KillSlash45 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Just seems to go against the whole overarching theme going on there. "The reapers are coming, this isn't going to end well."

Then it ends well.

So? This is fiction, phantasy, whatever you like to call it, why not make the seemingly impossible possible here? What did you expect, "Mass Effect - The Reality Simulator"?

"Shepard, you still haven't done your tax computation for last year!"
"Shepard, did you have your prostate checked this year?"
"This hurts you"

But happier endings? No way man. In fact I think all endings should have a heroic style unavoidable kamikaze attack that does more or less damage based on choices and galaxy readiness/war assets. IMO Shepherd and his crew should die in all endings. Give some closure.

So, if you wanted this to happen, fine, just don't do all the fetch quests you get on the citadel, so some war assets are missing and your ending will be exactly what you wanted. But why take away the ability to achieve anything different from the other players who probably don't share your opinion?

A happy ending flies in the face of the established theme. I am not expecting reality. Reapers and Mass efect drives are not reality.

It's would be just so jarring if it was like "massive galaxy ending reapers come, have to get the WHOLE galaxy to stand a chance, MASSIVE battle, lives lost"

then 

"and then they lived happily ever after"

whut?

Why not just say magic robot unicorns come and gave the reapers flowers then they decided to go away if that's the case.

There isn't only one theme. Inevetibility and the sheer unimaginable scope of the Reaper's power, and what little you can really do against them is one thing, but another big part of the game is hope. Shepard embodies this, he is the galaxy's hope, the only one who remains resolute through it all. Choice is another, the fact that you as the player shape the outcome of the game. 

The last two are ignored by the ending. No matter what you do, Shepard cannot have a happy ending. No matter what you do, there is only one outcome. 

Choice should matter and change the ending. But there should be no happy one because of that sheer scope and power theme you mentioned. It is the ovarching pervasive theme through the whole series.

Yes there is a theme of hope, and that should be reflected in the sacrifice shepherd and his crew have to make to save the galaxy from a brutal extinction.

The hatred for RPGs continues. 

Pick the sacrificial option if that's what you want, leave other people alone to role-play their own narrative. 

[Skirlasvoud]

The thing that upsets me is that they outright lied to us.

Casey promised us divergent endings based on previous choices. A non-traditional ending not based of ratings and not as simple as A, B and C

And yet, there I am at top of the citadel, choices between path A, B and C, unlocked by War Assets. And none of my earlier choices mattered.


If Bioware wants to keep promises, they're oblidged to fix it. It's the right thing to do.

[Stygian1]

Stop giving these people attention!

Talking to them is like trying to bash your way through a brick wall: with your head.

[KillSlash45]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

If you don't like something, humans are more likely to complain about it than if they are content with something.

One simple question:

The ME3 forums are really big and heavily frequented and most players were already registered and wrote here BEFORE ME3 hit the stores.

If the majority would have liked the edings, why don't they contribute anything like they did before the game release? Did those guys suddenly disappear into thin air right after they finished they game?

I really don't know whether or not the majority disliked the endings. Sure seems that way if I based my opinion solely on BSN and the polls linked from it.

I just know some basic psychology. People are more motivated to express discontent rather than contentedness. There are more out there that enjoyed the game but did not feel motivated to come here, because they felt there is nothing that needs to be said.

I'm also sure plenty of folks who don't like the ending just don't care enough because they are not as seriously upset as the people who take time out of their day to complain about it.
How much more? I don't know.

Anyways I'm really starting to see your point here though. But I still cling to my entry level understanding of psychology. 

Modifié par KillSlash45, 16 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Skirlasvoud wrote...


The thing that upsets me is that they outright lied to us.

Casey promised us divergent endings based on previous choices. A non-traditional ending not based of ratings and not as simple as A, B and C

And yet, there I am at top of the citadel, choices between path A, B and C, unlocked by War Assets. And none of my earlier choices mattered.


If Bioware wants to keep promises, they're oblidged to fix it. It's the right thing to do.

Well spoken!

[Kloborgg711]

KillSlash45 wrote...

I really don't know whether or not the majority disliked the endings. Sure seems that way if I based my opinion solely on BSN and the polls linked from it.

No, it seems like that if you base your opinions on ANY amount of polls or surveys anywhere on the internet. You can still argue that they're biased, and they probably are to a degree, but not nearly enough to excuse the overwhelming negative reaction.

[mrbauxjangles]

KillSlash45 wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

See I hate these topics. The endings sucked if you liked them great YOU DON'T HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THE DLC IF IT IS RELEASED. I cannot stress that any more. If you want the endings the same Simply do not play them. Stop saying OH DON'T MAKE THE GAME BETTER CAUSE I DON'T WANT IT. They can do it if they want just like if they don't want to change the ending they will not but we can still ask. Your claim is pointless due to the fact that you will never be forced to download the dlc.

If they made a DLC where a giant race of pixies spread magic dust on the reapers and then shepherd and a reaper got together and had children, would you be upset?

I mean, you don't have to buy it right?

That has nothing to do with the endings but ya it would make more sense then the ending now and ya i wouldnèt but it lol cuase i dont need to or have to. I dont see where you are going with that i made a point saying that you do not have to buy the DLC if you alredy liked the ending now you are saying the DLC would be a whole new game you arguement is terrible.

[surleygentelman]

Amen KNBETTEBHAUSEN. I personal,ly see this "ENDING' as a way for them to take the series in a way they intended.

[KingDan97]

Nykara wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I believe Casey has stated on multiple occasions that they haven't even discussed the future of the franchise yet, which means no plans for stories further out, and Mac Walters has already stated there won't be any post-ending DLC very explicitly, so that means no content right after the ending. If you're going to claim they have "plans" for it, at least educate yourself as to what they have said.

Read this link http://playstationli...effect-3-saves/

That says DLC to me, not a new game past and like I said Casey has stated very distinctly since ME3's launch that they haven't even had talks about the future of the franchise and Mac has stated no post ending DLC. Casy has however said they plan on doing a full year of DLC.

Mac Walters:
 
Casey Hudson:
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1220712p1.html

[KillSlash45]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

Venturisection wrote...

Sorry but if you actually liked the ending you should be actively getting people who liked it to vote on http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/ I am of the opinion that it was definetly a completely unthorough ending to an epic series.

At the moment the polls show that people who liked the ending are in the minority by a long distance. If you really think that the ending is good create a facebook page and get all the people who liked it to vote the other way. Simple as and it would give people who disliked it an actual idea of whether or not they are the majority and therefore justified in asking for a better thought out ending.

People who liked the game are by and large not even bothering to come talk about it. Why come and say something if you are simply content? Most people who liked the game aren't going to bother coming to tell everyone "yeah it was good"

If i hated this game, I would feel a LOT more motivated to come and say something and gather support for it.

Why did 80% of people vote no on a "Are you disappointed with ME2" poll?

because there was nothing with such a strong emotional response that warranted it. The level of discontent was not as strong then as it is here. SO those people who were unhappy with ME2 didn't feel so strongly the need to come voice their opinions.

Which is a dodgy way of saying "because not nearly as many people were disappointed with ME2 in comparison to the vast numbers of people who abhor the ME3 endings".
I'll tell you, I'll give in to your "biased statistics" reasoning, and I'll TRIPLE the number of people who liked the endings to compensate. Congratulations. 6% of people liked them.

Okay man. I'm not saying a ton of people didn't hate the endings. They did. There as a very distinct possibility that most people didn't like it.

But the polls here ARE biased. Seriously, take some entry level statistics courses. The ME2 poll was biased as well.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

KillSlash45 wrote...

Okay man. I'm not saying a ton of people didn't hate the endings. They did. There as a very distinct possibility that most people didn't like it.

But the polls here ARE biased. Seriously, take some entry level statistics courses. The ME2 poll was biased as well.

Agreed. A randomized sample is necessary for any statistical evidence.

Ultimately, I think throwing around "majority" or "minority" isn't really relevant. It's about mobilizing enough resources that EA gets the idea that they stand to gain through fixing this error.

[KillSlash45]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

KillSlash45 wrote...

I really don't know whether or not the majority disliked the endings. Sure seems that way if I based my opinion solely on BSN and the polls linked from it.

No, it seems like that if you base your opinions on ANY amount of polls or surveys anywhere on the internet. You can still argue that they're biased, and they probably are to a degree, but not nearly enough to excuse the overwhelming negative reaction.

Maybe so. But still I don't take biased polls as fact. Also those polls were all linked to here, and is almost guaranteed to have huge overlap in voters. 

Modifié par KillSlash45, 16 mars 2012 - 05:54 .