KillSlash45 wrote...
But the polls here ARE biased. Seriously, take some entry level statistics courses. The ME2 poll was biased as well.
Kloborgg711 wrote...
KillSlash45 wrote...
But the polls here ARE biased. Seriously, take some entry level statistics courses. The ME2 poll was biased as well.
I already told you I know they're biased, and you don't need a statistics course to understand that. The bias is not strong enough to explain away a 98% dissatisfaction rate as "oh angry people are just louder". No one here is arguing that the polls are "accurate representations", but they're incredibly strong indicators.
Modifié par KillSlash45, 16 mars 2012 - 05:58 .
push2play wrote...
I'm fine with a "changed" ending, but for the love of God, let Shepard die. There is no other alternative for a hero like him. Look at him in the Citadel sitting next to Anderson. He wants it to be over. Let Shep go. Having him sacrifice himself for the safety of the galaxy is the only way for him to go out. Can you really imagine Shep sitting on a beach and drinking a martini? After all he's been through? He knows he's not walking out of the Citadel alive.
JunMadine wrote...
The OP is most likely a troll.
Killer3000ad wrote...
If you having problems with the ending, I got news for you son, this http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/ shows that the majority of people hate the ending. There are also BSN polls that show people who hate the ending are the HUGE HUGE majority.
Kloborgg711 wrote...
KillSlash45 wrote...
But the polls here ARE biased. Seriously, take some entry level statistics courses. The ME2 poll was biased as well.
I already told you I know they're biased, and you don't need a statistics course to understand that. The bias is not strong enough to explain away a 98% dissatisfaction rate as "oh angry people are just louder". No one here is arguing that the polls are "accurate representations", but they're incredibly strong indicators.
I RJay I wrote...
I'm pretty sure that people who liked the ending didn't really pay much attention and haven't paid much attention through the series... More like a casual ME gamer, who was like... wow pretty cool, reapers are dead and my friends are safe hurray.
Not questioning the 100 plot holes along the way.
Dreogan wrote...
Logical fallacy.
The issue with the ending isn't down to taste or preference. It's simply invalid: the narrative rejects it.
Modifié par MintyCool, 16 mars 2012 - 06:27 .
knbettenhausen wrote...
Killer3000ad wrote...
If you having problems with the ending, I got news for you son, this http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/ shows that the majority of people hate the ending. There are also BSN polls that show people who hate the ending are the HUGE HUGE majority.
The poll I saw shows 43,000 want a better ending... This game will sell in the 3 millions. And you can be certain that most people who come to the polls to vote do so because they are angry, not happy with the game
polls usually tap about 1000 people with a plus/minus of 3 to 5 points to determine where 300 million people will vote. 43,000 is huge. I would love to see someone who is math whiz which I am not, show with math that what you said is just asinine.
While the poll is probably biased, it IS open to anyone. I am confident the results would be similar if everyone possible voted.Tedler wrote...
polls usually tap about 1000 people with a plus/minus of 3 to 5 points to determine where 300 million people will vote. 43,000 is huge. I would love to see someone who is math whiz which I am not, show with math that what you said is just asinine.
The key difference being that the ~1000 people selected in presidential polls are randomly selected, which is the key to a poll actually being representative. The 43,000 people who voted in the forum poll are self-selected, which means that the results are suggestive at best. There's not enough data to say whether or not those who hated the ending are the majority or a minority. Take note, mintycool--you're acting just as irrationally as the "hold the line!" people in dismissing them as a "vocal minority."
surleygentelman wrote...
wow, ok people this is starting to get a little personal. The attacks on someone who has an opinion about the game that is different from yours are totally unnecessary. As are the threats against the dev team that are appearing on facebook and twitter. Wow as fans we should be better than that. In any case there is a very good chance, i'm just going out on limb with this now, that EA will have bioware put out DLC for its flagship series. i mean i'm just guessing on that one. Now if this "fixes" the ending for those who believe that is needs fixing i cannot say. However i can ask that we try to make our points in a logical manner and not try to be douchebags about it.
you full of crap full of crap full of crap full of crap full of crap full of crap full crap full crap fullcrapknbettenhausen wrote...
As I read a few more posts from Bioware about them listening to concerns and their plans to release campaign DLC I get more and more fearful that they will actually create a new ending for ME3. Not only would this be a terrible idea for the Mass Effect games, but this would set a terrible precident for game fiction in general. I think it's completely justified for people not to enjoy the ending of Mass Effect 3. Every piece of fiction has people who don't enjoy it; unfortunetly for Bioware, Mass Effect has a very loud minority of people who don't enjoy the ending and hatefully want it changed (and yes, those of you who are hatefully complaining about the ending are in the minority of the millions who will complete ME3).
Mass Effect is Bioware's fiction. It is their characters and their world. People complain that the Shepard they "created" is their Shepard, but it isn't! Every single choice you made in Mass Effect was a planned story piece that Bioware created. It is clear that with the relays being destroyed and Shepard's crew crash landing on the unknown planet for each ending that Bioware has a direction for where they want that story to continue, if it does in fact continue at all. I'm ok with them releasing DLC, books, comics, movies, etc about what may have happen to other races or crew members after the end of ME3, but it would be a horrific idea if they were to change the endings or create a new one.
We don't want to set a precedent in gaming fiction that if gamers complain enough that the writer's behind gaming fiction have to change their fiction. As audiences to this fiction we have to accept what is given to us whether terrible or great. If you want answers to questions unanswered that is ok. As long as you aren't asking Bioware to screw up the canon of their work. And it's ok for Bioware to leave Mass Effect 3 with unaswered questions. They have more planned for the Mass Effect universe whether DLC, comic, book, or movie. Have patience.
I don't think Bioware will crumble and change the ending, but this is my plee for them not to.
knbettenhausen wrote...
Tenudin wrote...
Baronesa wrote...
Fallout 3 called and says hi
The Fallout 3 change has no basis in this conversation.
Agreed. They changed Fallout 3's ending so that people could actually play their DLC after they beat the game. It was essentially a bug fix.
push2play wrote...
I'm fine with a "changed" ending, but for the love of God, let Shepard die. There is no other alternative for a hero like him. Look at him in the Citadel sitting next to Anderson. He wants it to be over. Let Shep go. Having him sacrifice himself for the safety of the galaxy is the only way for him to go out. Can you really imagine Shep sitting on a beach and drinking a martini? After all he's been through? He knows he's not walking out of the Citadel alive.
maztor1225 wrote...
While the poll is probably biased, it IS open to anyone. I am confident the results would be similar if everyone possible voted.Tedler wrote...
polls usually tap about 1000 people with a plus/minus of 3 to 5 points to determine where 300 million people will vote. 43,000 is huge. I would love to see someone who is math whiz which I am not, show with math that what you said is just asinine.
The key difference being that the ~1000 people selected in presidential polls are randomly selected, which is the key to a poll actually being representative. The 43,000 people who voted in the forum poll are self-selected, which means that the results are suggestive at best. There's not enough data to say whether or not those who hated the ending are the majority or a minority. Take note, mintycool--you're acting just as irrationally as the "hold the line!" people in dismissing them as a "vocal minority."
The poll being biased doesn't disprove us either though.
maztor1225 wrote...
People actually liked spending $70 to use their imagination?
I chose "control" so I'm allowed to imagine my Shep kept everything the same but peaceful. But if I walked to the right, I'm allowed to imagine my Shep destroyed reapers and geth, but get the same cutscene?
We didn't exactly react with "THAT'S the end?" it was more of a "That's it?".
As I stated earlier, I didn't pay, as a consumer, for a product to leave me upset and being told to use my imagination.
Imagine buying a swimming pool that leaves you unsatisfied, and when you request a better product the seller simply says "just imagine you are swimming" Bioware is a company. I have spent about 250 hours on my main Shep alone. I personally won't be buying ANY dlc until it is to fix this ending.
At this state I don't see ME1 2 or 3 having any purpose. The choices I made didn't actually change the world slightly. The ENTIRE series can be summed up at the last 5 minutes with 3 choices and being told to imagine what happens with them.
The non voting public that hates the endings have already sold their games t gamestop. See for yourself. I kow about 20 people that have done this.nikola8 wrote...
maztor1225 wrote...
While the poll is probably biased, it IS open to anyone. I am confident the results would be similar if everyone possible voted.Tedler wrote...
polls usually tap about 1000 people with a plus/minus of 3 to 5 points to determine where 300 million people will vote. 43,000 is huge. I would love to see someone who is math whiz which I am not, show with math that what you said is just asinine.
The key difference being that the ~1000 people selected in presidential polls are randomly selected, which is the key to a poll actually being representative. The 43,000 people who voted in the forum poll are self-selected, which means that the results are suggestive at best. There's not enough data to say whether or not those who hated the ending are the majority or a minority. Take note, mintycool--you're acting just as irrationally as the "hold the line!" people in dismissing them as a "vocal minority."
The poll being biased doesn't disprove us either though.
The poll, from a statistical point of view, actually shows very little. It is a well known trend that the satisfied are more inclined to sit on their hands than the angry. Therefore, in a voluntary poll, the angry will be hugely overrepresented. While I'm not discounting the possibility that people who are angry are in the majority, it does break down to a simple numbers game- ~50,000 people voted in the poll one way or the other. The game has sold over a million units. That leaves 950,000 people who have not voiced their concern one way or the other. While these people may like or dislike the ending, statistically they are most likely 'lukewarm', ie. not losing sleep over this either way. These are the people who aren't beating down Bioware's door to change the ending. In this respect, the "activists" on both sides of the debate are only between 5-10% (which is about right statistically in polls). Most people really don't care that much. And it is those people to whom Bioware is going to cater to on DLC- if Bioware releases 'non-controversial' DLC such as a new mission or squad member, 15-25% of the lukewarm people will buy it, or 142-237,000 people (and that is assuming that no one else buys the game- which it will probably sell a few million more units). 142,000 to 237,000 is a lot more people than the 45,000 "activists" who are demanding that the ending be changed. Therefore, simply from a numbers stance, i would be surprised if the ending is changed for such a small percentage.
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