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[plaguecaller]

First week numbers for Mass Effect 3 are in. The game sold 1.85 million units, which is up from 890,000 in its first day in North America. The Xbox 360 version sold 1.28 million units (69%), while the PlayStation 3 version sold 370,000 units (20%). The PC version sold 200,000 units (11%) at retail.


This is an increase over the previous game in the franchise, Mass Effect 2, which sold one million units in its opening week at retail across the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. The Xbox 360 version increased by 410,000, the PlayStation 3 version by 280,000 and the PC version by 163,000. The original version of the game sold just 384,121 units in its opening week in May, 2008. This shows that the franchise has increased in popularity dramatically.

So reflecting on this and watching the board I started to play with some numbers. Knowing I don’t have all the facts but looking at some amounts. They show a pretty bleak picture for the people complaining about wanting a different ending.

1.8 million x’s $45.00 =  $81,000,000 – 30,000 (people who are whining or have chosen not to play because of reading the boards) @ $1,350,000

Means about $78,000,000 in sales after the complainer loss of 1.3 million is factored into play. This does not include the fact that people complaining actually bought the game played it then complained about it. So the real sales total makes it around $80 million.

And conservatively look at your potential negative influence; you may have managed to get maybe 30,000 people to choose not paying to play. It’s not in the hundred thousand ranges of no sales because we would have heard that by now.

You are not that significant. At the most there maybe what 1500 posters on this board that are actually complaining. Taking into account the biggest complaints threads here are around 3-4k posts and allow for each poster a minimum of two posts.

Bioware probably does care about you returning to buy more product most corporations do, but your sense of exceptionalism and entitlement to a product you do not own is not mirrored by the sales numbers.
In a risk analysis it turns into a $78 million gained even after your $1.3 million, loss affecting sales. Not taking into account you did pay for the games and they really did make 80 million in the first week.

Take a step back and think.

As of March 9th 3.5 million copies shipped.
http://videogames.co...s-north-america

I am hoping to articulate this without causing a flame war but...

The rest of the ME3 buying world is against you no matter what you may want to believe. You are not as supported as you want to think you are. You are not the majority of players.You may want to get used to it. You are certainly the loudest of the groups so Kudus’ to you, but not the biggest.

Thanks for your passion it does not amount to a hill of beans in the big picture.

[whydoyouwanttoknow]

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

[Farbautisonn]

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

[M8DMAN]

What the hell is poeple?

[AkiKishi]

Yeah that's great and all but it's still only in Biowares normal range mostly driven by advertising and the reputation of ME2.

It's whether or not it can sustain those sales in the coming weeks that is the important thing. If you look at the DA2 opening week for example you will see a similiar pattern. Then the sales fall off a cliff. The endings debacle took time to come to light because people had not finished the game/doubted the people who had. Now we have a very clear majority of disatisfaction with the endings and that will get around.

Next weeks sales are the ones to watch.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 16 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[Killer3000ad]

Where did you get the figure of 30,000 from?

[plaguecaller]

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

[Tleining]

that's assuming that all the people who bought the game come here to voice their opinion.

Maybe it's just my impression, but both ME2 and DA2 received good and bad feedback from their fans. The bad was in the majority, that's expected. It's easier to complain about something than to praise. But the negative feedback for ME3 (especially the ending) is massive. I'm not sure that's just a loud minority.
I AM pretty sure that Bioware and EA are going to see it that way. Especially since i'm still playing the game even though i don't like the ending.
But imo, just saying that everyone who isn't complaining is fine with the ending is taking the easy way out.

[sheppard7]

So everyone who buys a copy of the game is counted? So by my sig, that means my opinion is twice the value of your opinion? Cool story, bro.

[Mr Indivisible]

Troll.

It is impossible to have any certainty on the actual numbers of people dissatisfied. It will not reflect in ME3 sales, but in DLC and future releases.

Currently the poll is around 80% fully dissatisfied, 15% sort of and 5% not. Given that those looking to air their grievance would come to the forum and vote, take 25% off that 80% number and plop it into the other two, and your likely closer to life. thats 55%, even if you take 50% off, thats still 30%. That is a large portion of your game, $24,000,000 in sales.

I can only say this, everyone I know that has played the game, hated the end. They do not have forum accounts, so you will never hear from them here.

[Murkman4683]

I am pretty sure casuals will love the ending, hit it and quit it.

[AkiKishi]

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Last I heard the petition had 50k+ sigs.

Bioware/EA has also made it quite difficult for people to sign up even if they own the game.

[plaguecaller]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Where did you get the figure of 30,000 from?

Allowed for a poster wanting changed endings to influnce 10 times the people pondering buying the game to not buy it.

[jimbo32]

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Aside from pulling them out of your behind, where exactly are you getting the "1500-2000" figure?

Oh, you pulled them out of your behind? Thought so.

[revo76]

dont listen nor care OP, he's shocked after all feedbacks about ends. The reason why we have lots of dont change or you're minority topic is, this movement is going very well, and it started to scare people.

Especially people who thinks they're the real minority now.

BTW,

In reports did you also calculated refunded ME3 games OP ?
Or canceled TOR subs ?
Or numbers of articles and supporter editors ?
Or collected charity money ?


I assume no.

So stop trolling.

[Mr Indivisible]

plaguecaller wrote...

Killer3000ad wrote...

Where did you get the figure of 30,000 from?

Allowed for a poster wanting changed endings to influnce 10 times the people pondering buying the game to not buy it.

As pointed out in my above post, if every one of the grieved told 10 people, your loses get much larger. 

30000 is under estimating. 50k signed the petition, so your at 500,0000 +/-10% at least.

[AkiKishi]

Murkman4683 wrote...

I am pretty sure casuals will love the ending, hit it and quit it.

When I took my rental back on wednesday there were six used ME3's on the shelf. I'd guess at least 80% of those were never finished since I had to put in some serious hours to finish and I had the game 4 days eariler.

[plaguecaller]

BobSmith101 wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Last I heard the petition had 50k+ sigs.

Bioware/EA has also made it quite difficult for people to sign up even if they own the game.

Ok so even at 50k x's $45.00 that comes out to be a $2,250,000 vrs 3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.

They still got the 50k sales which I am removing from the profit margin because lets say you all decide not to buy their next game and want to punish them for at least one release.
 
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Like I said I am working with numbers that do not have all the facts they could be bringing in a lot more but I worked on a return of 45.00 for teh game.

[Treavor647]

I am sure if they could return the game they bought and get the value price they paid for it, it would be a different story. People would speak with their wallets if they could but you can only trade in games and not get full refunds. Gamers voice on here upset they paid 90 bucks for a collectors edition because they cant show any other way to show the ending ruined the product.

I am also glad you mentioned that return business is going to hurt them on future games.

[plaguecaller]

jimbo32 wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Aside from pulling them out of your behind, where exactly are you getting the "1500-2000" figure?

Oh, you pulled them out of your behind? Thought so.

Look at the post counts of the biggest compliant threads thats about the number you will get.

[sheppard7]

Avoiding the multiple purchasers again? Troll thread is total fail.

[Mr Indivisible]

plaguecaller wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Last I heard the petition had 50k+ sigs.

Bioware/EA has also made it quite difficult for people to sign up even if they own the game.

Ok so even at 50k x's $45.00 that comes out to be a $2,250,000 vrs 3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.

They still got the 50k sales which I am removing from the profit margin because lets say you all decide not to buy their next game and want to punish them for at least one release.
 
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Like I said I am working with numbers that do not have all the facts they could be bringing in a lot more but I worked on a return of 45.00 for teh game.

And you completely ignore your tell 10 people line. 

SO by your original math, 50k people tell 10 people each not to buy the game, thats 500,000 @ 45$ a pop.

Guess what, thats $22.5M, gee thats close to my post.

[AkiKishi]

plaguecaller wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Last I heard the petition had 50k+ sigs.

Bioware/EA has also made it quite difficult for people to sign up even if they own the game.

Ok so even at 50k x's $45.00 that comes out to be a $2,250,000 vrs 3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.

They still got the 50k sales which I am removing from the profit margin because lets say you all decide not to buy their next game and want to punish them for at least one release.
 
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Like I said I am working with numbers that do not have all the facts they could be bringing in a lot more but I worked on a return of 45.00 for teh game.

As I explained that stuff is relatively meaningless. It's whether it can sustain momentum that matters. The endings thing only came to light during that week. As someone righltly pointed out people buy the game before they finish it. Now Amazon , news sites, and word of mouth is all about how bad the endings are.

Before you can dismiss anything you need more data at least 2-3 weeks worth.

[sheppard7]

Considering the lack of back up he's getting, one can say more posters are unhappy than happy here on BSN. So the numbers can be flipped on him.