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[plaguecaller]

sheppard7 wrote...

Avoiding the multiple purchasers again? Troll thread is total fail.

Really so how big a double purchase factor is there?  A million.? Two million?

That would be hard to believe but if it is how many of them are actually wanting changed endings? They are not here on the boards.

Modifié par plaguecaller, 16 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[Alexraptor1]

Your either you don't get it or your just one big troll.

ALL the people on the forums are but a sample size of the entire playerbase.
Forumgoers for ALL games are a minorty, the vast majority don't post and probally never even visit the forums.
That does not mean by any streach of the imagination that they all like the endings.

In short, your math is a failure of epic proportions.

[plaguecaller]

sheppard7 wrote...

Considering the lack of back up he's getting, one can say more posters are unhappy than happy here on BSN. So the numbers can be flipped on him.

And you say I am stretching it- lol

Where are the write ups of massive game returns then? I have not seen any. You would think a savvy reproter by now would have spotted that as a story and run with it. They would have jumped all over that band wagon.

So where are the reports.

Modifié par plaguecaller, 16 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[xkg]

plaguecaller wrote...

First week numbers for Mass Effect 3 are in. The game sold 1.85 million units

1.8 million x’s $45.00 =  $81,000,000 – 30,000 (people who are whining or have chosen not to play because of reading the boards) @ $1,350,000

And then ... 17 minutes later :

plaguecaller wrote...
3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Looks like it is selling really really fast ... 2 millions in 17 minutes

[wright1978]

Mr Indivisible wrote...

Troll.

It is impossible to have any certainty on the actual numbers of people dissatisfied. It will not reflect in ME3 sales, but in DLC and future releases.

Currently the poll is around 80% fully dissatisfied, 15% sort of and 5% not. Given that those looking to air their grievance would come to the forum and vote, take 25% off that 80% number and plop it into the other two, and your likely closer to life. thats 55%, even if you take 50% off, thats still 30%. That is a large portion of your game, $24,000,000 in sales.

I can only say this, everyone I know that has played the game, hated the end. They do not have forum accounts, so you will never hear from them here.

Even if you take the dicey assumption that unhappy players are more mobilised to vote the polls clearly  show large swathes of players are unhappy with the ending, and imo rightly so.

[Mr Indivisible]

I love how I countered you on all your math, using statistical analytics, accounting for a margin of error, and the best you can do is troll and say "nuh-uh, I read the forum poster names and counted 2k".

Even if we go as low as 10% extreme dissatisfaction (not unreasonable with the mass attention this issue has drawn), thats an $8M dollar loss, your numbers are so far off its not even funny.

This doesn't even account for that 10% telling people not to buy the game.

[Munktor]

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

I guess you failed to see his point.  Week 1 the community was "up in arms" week two, it continued to sell steadily.  That is the point.  The community "bleak outlook" is not the reality of market.  That is the point the OP is making.

[Adranathz]

Couse most of the real ME fans and suporters, those who spread the voice around, are posting in this forum

So, ive to recommend the game to some1, ill not do it till they fix this crap

Wow loose about 2 m suscriptions in a year, and you dont see 2 mill ppl posting in the forums complaining about the game, but u see about 10000 players complaning about it
When you have that much ppl raging in the forums, something is wrong with the game

And we are not talking about something like metacritic or a random 4chan post, we are talking about a game where every1 posting in this forum, follow the game since ME1

[plaguecaller]

xkg wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

First week numbers for Mass Effect 3 are in. The game sold 1.85 million units

1.8 million x’s $45.00 =  $81,000,000 – 30,000 (people who are whining or have chosen not to play because of reading the boards) @ $1,350,000

And then ... 17 minutes later :

plaguecaller wrote...
3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Looks like it is selling really really fast ... 2 millions in 17 minutes

Maybe you should check the links and you would the first is around the release date and they other is about a week later.

[Mr Indivisible]

Munktor wrote...

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

I guess you failed to see his point.  Week 1 the community was "up in arms" week two, it continued to sell steadily.  That is the point.  The community "bleak outlook" is not the reality of market.  That is the point the OP is making.

I think your missing the point that the market will react slowly, it always does to these things. those that played ME2 will likely play ME3 to see the ending, even though I heard the ending was crap, I still bought it because I wanted to finish it. The actual consumer dissatifaction will be felt in future projects, such as DLC, and subscription based ones like SWTOR.

[plaguecaller]

Munktor wrote...

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

I guess you failed to see his point.  Week 1 the community was "up in arms" week two, it continued to sell steadily.  That is the point.  The community "bleak outlook" is not the reality of market.  That is the point the OP is making.

Thank you. Said it better than me.

[AkiKishi]

xkg wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

First week numbers for Mass Effect 3 are in. The game sold 1.85 million units

1.8 million x’s $45.00 =  $81,000,000 – 30,000 (people who are whining or have chosen not to play because of reading the boards) @ $1,350,000

And then ... 17 minutes later :

plaguecaller wrote...
3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Looks like it is selling really really fast ... 2 millions in 17 minutes

Probably a typo

It's interesting data but it's very flawed both in the timing and the made up numbers. No one in their right mind would not expect ME3 to sell in the millions, the real question is how many millions.

We saw this before with DA2. Great opening week mostly because of pre-orders from DA:O then a huge drop , followed by a slight rally after a month when the prices dropped.

We just don't have the data for the period when the storm hit. When these sales happened people were still getting to the ending and only a minority who were accused of extreme exageration existed.

Now things are different, more people have finished the game and found it wanting. Word is spreading and that will be reflected in next weeks numbers if at all.

[Killer3000ad]

DId you miss the BSN poll with 51,990 votes in which 47,000 voted that they hated the ending? http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

[sheppard7]

plaguecaller wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Considering the lack of back up he's getting, one can say more posters are unhappy than happy here on BSN. So the numbers can be flipped on him.

And you say I am stretching it- lol

Where are the write ups of massive game returns then? I have not seen any. You would think a savvy reproter by now would have spotted that as a story and run with it. They would have jumped all over that band wagon.

So where are the reports.

Every gamestop near me has used copies already. I guess those just magically appeared out of nowhere. Plus all the used ones on eBay.

[Lee T]

ME3 has sold very well, and yes only a minority of buyers are represented here. But that goes both way as nobody knows what the silent mass thinks. You can't assume the percentage of disgruntled here applies, but you can't also assume that all the disguntled player are here leaving the silent mass "pure".

How many "ME didn't meet my expectations" and how many "ME3 is a very good game" are part of the silent majority we'll never know.

The only really interesting preorder and sales number are (in my own opinion) the numbers of Bioware next full sized game.

That's when you'll see DA2 and ME3's backlash if there is any.

[Altered Idol]

Is it just me or is it this whole argument rendered meaningless. The OP talks as if its only those who have voted in the poll that want a changed ending ie 50,000 people. But this failed to take into account the unquantifiable number of people who purchased the game but have not wanted to or been able to voice their dissatisfaction.

To proclaim that only a small fraction of the consumer base wants better endings is skewed logic as you do not know so cannot quantify the try feelings of all those who bought the game.

[xkg]

plaguecaller wrote...

xkg wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

First week numbers for Mass Effect 3 are in. The game sold 1.85 million units

1.8 million x’s $45.00 =  $81,000,000 – 30,000 (people who are whining or have chosen not to play because of reading the boards) @ $1,350,000

And then ... 17 minutes later :

plaguecaller wrote...
3.8 million sold @ $45.00 netting $171,000 million.
They brought in 168-169 million so far even with that loss.

Looks like it is selling really really fast ... 2 millions in 17 minutes

Maybe you should check the links and you would the first is around the release date and they other is about a week later.

Ok no problem. Just give me the link to "3.8 millions sold".

[plaguecaller]

[quote]sheppard7 wrote...

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Every gamestop near me has used copies already. I guess those just magically appeared out of nowhere. Plus all the used ones on eBay.

[/quote]


News worthy story where are pics showing all the returns? Any blogs out there covering this massive wave of returns?

So far its been crickets chirping on actually showing that narative about massive game returns.

[AkiKishi]

Munktor wrote...

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

I guess you failed to see his point.  Week 1 the community was "up in arms" week two, it continued to sell steadily.  That is the point.  The community "bleak outlook" is not the reality of market.  That is the point the OP is making.

Games been out for 10 days. It takes people time to get to the end , it takes even more time for more people to reach the end..Once enough people did so the gates opened and Amazon etc were flooded with negative reviews. These sales pre-date that and are therefore not really a useful measure.

What those numbers say is this.

People liked ME2 a lot
Advertising happened in a big way

Now if next weeks numbers are that good , then you could claim that the ending controversy has had no effect. Now it's just a case of wait and see.

[alienatedflea]

Tleining wrote...

that's assuming that all the people who bought the game come here to voice their opinion.

Maybe it's just my impression, but both ME2 and DA2 received good and bad feedback from their fans. The bad was in the majority, that's expected. It's easier to complain about something than to praise. But the negative feedback for ME3 (especially the ending) is massive. I'm not sure that's just a loud minority.
I AM pretty sure that Bioware and EA are going to see it that way. Especially since i'm still playing the game even though i don't like the ending.
But imo, just saying that everyone who isn't complaining is fine with the ending is taking the easy way out.

Well I do not think the bad was the "majority" they are just more noticeable that does not equate the complainers are in the majority...I mean is that what this comes down to? Mob rule should be able to bully Bioware into submission? thats disgusting...

[Killer3000ad]

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/
and
http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/

says otherwise.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 16 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Somebody doesn't understand how polling and population sampling works.

[Nykara]

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

While your shocking the OP

Here's another one for the OP:

Newsflash for you. Not everyone who plays ME who disliked the ending reads the forums, votes in polls, posts on forums. My other half is actually that annoyed at it that he refuses to even read the forums.

Modifié par Nykara, 16 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[AkiKishi]

alienatedflea wrote...
Well I do not think the bad was the "majority" they are just more noticeable that does not equate the complainers are in the majority...I mean is that what this comes down to? Mob rule should be able to bully Bioware into submission? thats disgusting...

If 90+% of your fanbase don't like something you did , it's in your interests to change it. Assuming of course you can, it's really not that easy to change the ending of a game and certainly not something you can do quickly.

This is the problem when being surrounded by yes men and appologists you just don't see the reality of things until it's pushed to an extreme degree.

Now if I put my EA hat on. I would not be in the least bit happy with those numbers. I'd be looking for at least double that.
If I'm not happy at this stage, will the next weeks numbers make me happy ? I seriously doubt it. But we will have to wait and see.

[Munktor]

Mr Indivisible wrote...

Munktor wrote...

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

I guess you failed to see his point.  Week 1 the community was "up in arms" week two, it continued to sell steadily.  That is the point.  The community "bleak outlook" is not the reality of market.  That is the point the OP is making.

I think your missing the point that the market will react slowly, it always does to these things. those that played ME2 will likely play ME3 to see the ending, even though I heard the ending was crap, I still bought it because I wanted to finish it. The actual consumer dissatifaction will be felt in future projects, such as DLC, and subscription based ones like SWTOR.

Yes, and hundreds of forum goers raged against some of the endings of NWN as well.  Made bold claims to never buy another Bioware product.  Guess what?  Bioware is still one of the best-selling devs out there because they create quality products that people genuinely enjoy.