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#76
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whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.


it's funny the TC did'nt anticipate this simple counter point. and how it would crush his point. what an amazing and sad waste of time for him....

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First week numbers for Mass Effect 3 are in. The game sold 1.85 million units, which is up from 890,000 in its first day in North America. The Xbox 360 version sold 1.28 million units (69%), while the PlayStation 3 version sold 370,000 units (20%). The PC version sold 200,000 units (11%) at retail.


This is an increase over the previous game in the franchise, Mass Effect 2, which sold one million units in its opening week at retail across the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. The Xbox 360 version increased by 410,000, the PlayStation 3 version by 280,000 and the PC version by 163,000. The original version of the game sold just 384,121 units in its opening week in May, 2008. This shows that the franchise has increased in popularity dramatically.


So reflecting on this and watching the board I started to play with some numbers. Knowing I don’t have all the facts but looking at some amounts. They show a pretty bleak picture for the people complaining about wanting a different ending.

1.8 million x’s $45.00 =  $81,000,000 – 30,000 (people who are whining or have chosen not to play because of reading the boards) @ $1,350,000

Means about $78,000,000 in sales after the complainer loss of 1.3 million is factored into play. This does not include the fact that people complaining actually bought the game played it then complained about it. So the real sales total makes it around $80 million.

And conservatively look at your potential negative influence; you may have managed to get maybe 30,000 people to choose not paying to play. It’s not in the hundred thousand ranges of no sales because we would have heard that by now.

You are not that significant. At the most there maybe what 1500 posters on this board that are actually complaining. Taking into account the biggest complaints threads here are around 3-4k posts and allow for each poster a minimum of two posts.

Bioware probably does care about you returning to buy more product most corporations do, but your sense of exceptionalism and entitlement to a product you do not own is not mirrored by the sales numbers.
In a risk analysis it turns into a $78 million gained even after your $1.3 million, loss affecting sales. Not taking into account you did pay for the games and they really did make 80 million in the first week.

Take a step back and think.

As of March 9th 3.5 million copies shipped.
http://videogames.co...s-north-america

I am hoping to articulate this without causing a flame war but...

The rest of the ME3 buying world is against you no matter what you may want to believe. You are not as supported as you want to think you are. You are not the majority of players.You may want to get used to it. You are certainly the loudest of the groups so Kudus’ to you, but not the biggest.

Thanks for your passion it does not amount to a hill of beans in the big picture.


No, 1. not all of them can express there opinion, 2. not all of them have one, 3. those that do have opinions(and can't express them) aren't necessarily against the changes, 4. those that have an opinion and the ability to express it have and well that puts numbers back on the side of those who want changes, 5. as for the sales people didn't all know of the ending would be so bad or that those that we have would be the only ones(all we did have were leaks and suspicion/fear which many people would dismiss as not being the whole thing), people wanted to see for themselves. there are more but i think this is enough.
:whistle: just saying

Modifié par slyguy200, 16 mars 2012 - 05:39 .


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Keltikone wrote...

I wouldn't be able to return the game in good faith: I had 22 hours of fun and 15 mins of "WTF!".

On balance, the games still pretty damn good.


That describes how I feel about KotOR II. And on replays I stop playing before I get to the WTF moment and start another play through. ME3 will be just the second game to get that treatment from me.

Modifié par sheppard7, 16 mars 2012 - 05:42 .


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xkg wrote...
Ok no problem. Just give me the link to "3.8 millions sold".


http://www.vgchartz....over-35m-units/ 

3.5 million copies at the ninth as claimed in this article the one I read stated 3.8 as of the 12th


Yeah I can see it shipped 3.5 millions units. But i asked you about the SOLD numbers.

All I can find now is this from vgchartz : Mass Effect 3 Sells 1.85 Million Units First Week

Game is 10 days old - 7 days = 3 days.

No way it has sold 3.5 mils - 1.85 mils = 1.65 mills in 3 days.
Maybe I am wrong. Do you have any better sources ? 

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People bought the game based on enjoyment of ME2 and advertising that brought in new customers.

Those who bought it hadn't played it and thus didn't know the ending. So I fail to see how you have a point at all.

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plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.


I wonder how many are like me, that come here and read but rarely post?Image IPB
By the way the ending sucks!

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alienatedflea wrote...

aw man...now youre pulling that "90%" figure out of your ****...lets not segregate the people who actually liked the game and didn't have insanely high expectations for ME3 that it was destined to fail...most of you guys are now just looking for things to complain about.  The fact is...ME3 is an amazing game including the ending...yet that is not good enough for the "90%"...this "movement" is pointless and it will end up going nowhere...the best thing this "movement" can do is wait for DLC or just go away and replay skyrim...Idc what you do but ****ing about something that has already happened is pointless...and screaming for "ending DLC" but that DLC might (i dont know) take some time?! patience is a virtue...


I pulled it out of a link in this very thread knocked off a few % too.

Really that's a fact is it...

Who can say where it will go It will be interesting to see next weeks sales figures.

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your arguement makes no sense, clearly most of those sales are either pre-ordered or were bought before this "fiasco"

secondly, just b/c someone is dissatisfied with the ending doesn't mean they will automatically come to BSN and complain, you're assuming that every single person who bought ME3 also posts and comments on BSN, i would say that is far from the truth

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whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

Not entirely true.

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Odd Hermit wrote...

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

Not entirely true.


yeah, but i would say a large portion does

i kno ppl rent, borrow, pirate but i would say quite a few ppl do buy b4 they finish a game

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Bitsystems wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.


I wonder how many are like me, that come here and read but rarely post?Image IPB
By the way the ending sucks!


Nice. Lots of people here talk about their friends who never post on forums and none of the friends seem to like the ending either.

I have yet to hear someone/anyone tell me all or even most of their friends like the ending.

Modifié par kbct, 16 mars 2012 - 06:09 .


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Murkman4683 wrote...

I am pretty sure casuals will love the ending, hit it and quit it.



Everyone I know who has played the game, hates the ending. It isn't just the BSN.

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Lol. I went to to my local Gamestop they said they have more returned copy's of ME3 then they know what do do with.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

Lol. I went to to my local Gamestop they said they have more returned copy's of ME3 then they know what do do with.


That's just more anecdotal evidence. The writing is on the wall everywhere and every way.

I can't believe BioWare hasn't addressed the issue.

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whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.


Win

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xkg wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...

xkg wrote...
Ok no problem. Just give me the link to "3.8 millions sold".


http://www.vgchartz....over-35m-units/ 

3.5 million copies at the ninth as claimed in this article the one I read stated 3.8 as of the 12th


Yeah I can see it shipped 3.5 millions units. But i asked you about the SOLD numbers.

All I can find now is this from vgchartz : Mass Effect 3 Sells 1.85 Million Units First Week

Game is 10 days old - 7 days = 3 days.

No way it has sold 3.5 mils - 1.85 mils = 1.65 mills in 3 days.
Maybe I am wrong. Do you have any better sources ? 


You're not wrong. They shipped 3.8 million copies. They sold 1.85 million copies in the first week. Period.

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Someone wrote that Bioware will address this or something at Pax EAST or something. I have no idea if it's true or not. I asked for a link, but they haven't messaged it to me. Maybe it's on that thread (I'll check when I get to my PC) or maybe it's BS. Who knows.

Yes, retailers tend to want you to pay for something before you leave the store with it, not after you finish the game. If you look at the numbers, if they shipped that much in for release, they probably have to sell around 75% of them at any given retailer before they get additional orders. None of this affects digital sales. How many would have been shipped and remained unsold if there was no digital distributions, hmmmah?

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Everything "plaguecaller" says is like the end of mass effect 3, irrelevant. He's just a mad brosky. This thread may have a better ending. Or maybe...
1-Red button : the thread is deleted.
2-Blue button : the thread will be cleaned by brainwashed people.
3-Green button : the thread will continue with the troll OP and people bashing on him.

Anyway i'm may be colorblind, so then, .. oh wait

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Oh goody another thread that tries to make a mathematical argument but has no clue about statistics. To make the conclusion they are making they are basically assuming that the 50,000 votes against these endings stand in some way against the unwashed masses who may have bought the game and not posted here. This is absurd on so many levels. LOL

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sheppard7 wrote...

Considering the lack of back up he's getting, one can say more posters are unhappy than happy here on BSN. So the numbers can be flipped on him.


But that's usually how it is on a game's forum, normally the people who have complaints or hate for the game are the loudest and those that liked it don't give those people much mind. Just because a bunch of people who hate the ending have latched onto someone's thread because they must be right doesn't make them right.

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So that's why they are releasing the same Call of Duty-game year after year. Because it's perfect and the numbers aren't there to change something. Seems reasonable.

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Wow why did you bother using polite words in your post. It's nothing but contemptuous bullying.

Your thesis OP is that Bioware is too big for me, the nameless masses who you don't personally know but are certain are with you. are too big for me so I should shut up and take up the ass.

No thanks. even if I were alone. even if I were silent I would fight this. I am telling those I know that the ending sucks. and If I had known 8 months ago what I know now I would have waited maybe borrowed a copy or bought it used. maybe not even bothered.

And no. Bioware/EA do not get another red cent from me.

A drop in the bucket but I don't care. and NOTHING you say will change that.

Troll harder

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And one more thing, this outrage is really not comparable to the complaints after the Mass Effect 2 release. Mass Effect 2 always had an approval rating of I think over 90% in all the polls here and outpolled Mass Effect 1 2:1 in the polls when asked which game was better. Even Dragon Age 2 never had 85-95% disapproval rating. I really don't think that we are talking about a small group this time.

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alienatedflea wrote...

Tleining wrote...

that's assuming that all the people who bought the game come here to voice their opinion.

Maybe it's just my impression, but both ME2 and DA2 received good and bad feedback from their fans. The bad was in the majority, that's expected. It's easier to complain about something than to praise. But the negative feedback for ME3 (especially the ending) is massive. I'm not sure that's just a loud minority.
I AM pretty sure that Bioware and EA are going to see it that way. Especially since i'm still playing the game even though i don't like the ending.
But imo, just saying that everyone who isn't complaining is fine with the ending is taking the easy way out.

Well I do not think the bad was the "majority" they are just more noticeable that does not equate the complainers are in the majority...I mean is that what this comes down to? Mob rule should be able to bully Bioware into submission? thats disgusting...



Yet that's OPs thesis. The mob is on the side of bioware (debatable) so we should just be good quite little sheeple consumers. oh and I'm sure we're entitled idiots to boot.

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I will have to say that the numbers sort of contradict the OP. Look around the net and not just BSN.

The numbers are quite there, as you would see.