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[kbct]

louislingg wrote...

i just want to say something real quick about some of the early posts in this thread re: this forum being a good representation of all gamers

i'm a person who has never joined a forum like this in my life, i just joined on like the 12th or whatever, and even though i play games and have for 15+ years i don't really get as hardcore into them as some people do, the kind of people who for instance enjoy talking about them in forums

i made this account 100% to get in on the ending discussion. and i'm a person who doesn't like the ending. i have a friend who is in the same boat, one of the only other guys i know who plays games, totally different kind of person than i am. also hates the ending.

i think the general public, especially the fans of the series among them that are out there (and they DO exist, fans who don't forum) will have a problem with this ending. that said i still think the game will sell well! the trilogy is awesome, the game is getting GREAT reviews from every corner of the reviewing world, and even a lot of people who HATE the ending think you should still buy this game. so i don't think ME3 sales figures will tell the whole story.

Your post is more anecdotal evidence. You don't need to be blind to see this goes well beyond BSN.

BioWare should say something. Anything. Lots of people are gonna finish the game over the weekend.

Modifié par kbct, 16 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[meisjoe]

Seriously? I watched the Amazon rating. It went from 5 stars on release day, to 2 starts today... the more people that finish the game - the worse the rating gets... That's not indicative of a majority "liking" the way it ended...

[_Martyr_]

plaguecaller wrote...
Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

But of course, all people know of BSN/Child's Play movement/Forbes.

/sarcasm

Really. Lots of people don't have the slightest idea of what's going on. They're just saying "man, ME3 was good till the endings". I say this because today i've talked to some friends that are fans of the franchise but don't know BSN. They all told me that exact  thing.

[louislingg]

I agree it'll be interesting to see if there is a wave of so-called reinforcements for those who are unhappy after this weekend.

I'm sure BioWare wants to say something. A lot of their people have been trying in one way or another, albeit a lot of the time their positivity is a bit grating to the infuriated masses. But they're going to wait as long as possible before saying anything because they want people to buy and play the game. lots of people.

[GhostV9]

whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...

Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.

[kbct]

_Martyr_ wrote...

plaguecaller wrote...
Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

But of course, all people know of BSN/Child's Play movement/Forbes.

/sarcasm

Really. Lots of people don't have the slightest idea of what's going on. They're just saying "man, ME3 was good till the endings". I say this because today i've talked to some friends that are fans of the franchise but don't know BSN. They all told me that exact  thing.

Good job creating the poll, _Martyr_. You're practically famous.

Almost everyone says their friends who don't visit this forum don't like the ending.

[louislingg]

that poll has like 50 some thousand votes and correct me if i'm wrong but don't you have to have an account here to vote in it?

if that's the case doesn't that kind of show that there are at least 50K people on the BSN alone that weren't thrilled with the ending?

[kbct]

louislingg wrote...

that poll has like 50 some thousand votes and correct me if i'm wrong but don't you have to have an account here to vote in it?

if that's the case doesn't that kind of show that there are at least 50K people on the BSN alone that weren't thrilled with the ending?

Yeah, I believe you need to log in. And I also believe it's the largest BSN poll in history. But I could be wrong.

Modifié par kbct, 17 mars 2012 - 12:23 .

[XqctaX]

Also id like to add that in sweden/norway the newspapers are starting to report that "the MAJORETY of the fans are furious over the ending" and players finishing the game totally disagree with the good reviews it got AS A FACT!. so its only looking worse and worse for bioware atm.

and as such checked with "Gamestop" in norway that has gotten exactly that same feedback.
players hated it, and are activly complaining and returning their copies of it.

PR-wise bioware seems to be digging there own grave with there reaction to this aswell.

[Euno17]

I want to now thank the OP for the wonderful troll job he did! Everything in that OP is just brilliant - classic troll material. I mean look at it! 

Impossible to verify figures/numbers

telling us how little or 'insignificant' we are

I mean look at all the posters he got to reply!! The guy trolled you all pretty hard. Seriously OP - you get a massive amount of props for this. I mean dang, its already page eight! 

How could you guys not see it? 

But the best part of the entire OP is this:

lol at the 'I don't want to start a flame war' bit. Yeah, this is like going over to a playstation forum and saying ' 360 is better!' (but I don't want to start a flame war I swear!). classic move. I am suprised how many people you got going with this! 

Luckily now that I have informed the rest that you just got trolled - I'm hoping you'll stop giving this thread attention. It's just a bad thing to feed the trolls. I'm telling ya. It's just a bad thing all around. 

[DetcelferVisionary]

I know at least 5 people who played the game and hated it after they saw the ending. They never came here to post about it. What makes you, OP, assume that more people are not upset just because they're not posting.

MANY PEOPLE DONT BOTHER COMING HERE TO COMPLAIN. They hate it and move on. Guess what, thats Biowares problem now when they try to pitch their next DLC. Unless it has something to do with the ending, I promise you their sales will be low.

[kbct]

Euno17 wrote...

Luckily now that I have informed the rest that you just got trolled - I'm hoping you'll stop giving this thread attention. It's just a bad thing to feed the trolls. I'm telling ya. It's just a bad thing all around. 

You don't seriously think we didn't know the OP was trolling with this thread? The material itself was interesting so we shutdown the OP and talked about it.

No harm, no foul.

Modifié par kbct, 17 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[Shinobu]

I've been reposting this in several threads:

atghunter wrote...

Greetings All,

First, I’m flattered someone would repost this. Many thanks.

A couple follow-up thoughts for those wondering what is likely going on with the other side of the mirror in the last couple days:

First, Operation Goliath, the free Star Wars online weekend, and the recent noncommittal overtures to listen are faux olive branches. Sorry. Customers intrinsically want to believe companies they patronize listen and when they stop believing that, the company has to say they are listening and do anything to get the detractors off-message. There are a dozen names for this, but the most memorable was "The Shell Game."

You will know that there’s a genuine need for dialogue in the corporate bunker when the message turns from “we’re listening” to “we acknowledge we may have a disconnect with our consumers and are willing to discuss a meaningful solution to the problem.” It signals an end to non-committed deflection and opening genuine talks to solve the problem (it’s knows as “Exposing Your Throat” btw). At present, you’ll notice Bioware/EA has only said they will “explain” the endings. That’s not a give, that’s a delay tactic.

But here’s the part that amazes me as an old PR guy and is totally new. The disenfranchised base here is changing the old methodology. It’s akin to comparing old-style bunker PR defenses to new blitzkrieg-style consumers. To date, the “bunker strategy” was always used because it was virtually foolproof. However, social media and the 24 hour news cycle have simply changed everything. Twenty years ago, you could not mass 30,000 protesters into a networked base without some luck, money, a GREAT cause and (most importantly) time. By the time you did get organized, folks were either burned out or lost interest. Groups like Take Back have altered the landscape and suddenly the contest is taken from the old paradigm to a crazy new (and wonderful IMO) place. Preorder sales took away customers biggest weapon in the past (i.e. don’t buy the product). Now customers who feel they have received poor value have been potentially re-empowered by the internet. Bioware/EA is feeling the full brunt of this thing while passion is hottest. They are deploying countermeasures faster than the old strategies ever would have ever suggested. To some degree, they are being outmaneuvered atm. But now it depends on how long the protest/outcry holds up.

Two more quick points and I’ll close. First, the Child’s Play movement was brilliant. Notice over the past few days how some of the most visceral detractors to the outcry have had to shift their vitriol from “you’re spoiled selfish haters” to “sure you gave to charity, but you are spoiled selfish haters.” Nobody is drinking that Kool-Aid. Better yet, some outlets are now saying “maybe the game has problem but its still art” from the precedent message “best game ever.” That won’t fly with the mainstream. If its one thing they know is that when “art” hits the marketplace, it is a commodity, nothing more. You’ve changed the countermeasures from "unbiased" critics of the movement into drum beaters simply trying to get you angry. EA’s PR guys probably envy you (grudgingly) atm.

Second, don’t buy the only X people voted in the poll out of 1 billion customers, so they don’t care. That’s bunk. Are there "drum beaters" on both sides of this issue that just want to see controversy, sure. But if I was sitting in an office looking at that Bioware poll, I’d be reaching for a cigarette.

Finally remember, they have much more data at their disposal. They know how sales are going, how much time people are playing that are synced into Origin, etc. They will watch those numbers this weekend. If sales slow, watch for price cutting within 10 days (just over the two week US release date). It will mean that retailers are getting nervous and will slow new unit orders. As I’ve said before, this will come down to hard currency. If the protests start having an effect on that front, the response will come.

I’m an older gamer and again appreciate the repost. To everyone (on both sides) continue to let your voices be heard. You are consumers and have every right to engage in this discourse. The boards being locked yesterday proves someone is watching and knows this is an issue. I'm in the hated-ending camp to be sure, but I admire everyone one of you who is arguing for what believe on both sides!

Cheers.

Many men may be willing to die heroically for a noble cause, but few men will live humbly for one. Wilhelm Stekel

[Scoob]

Shinobu wrote...

I've been reposting this in several threads:

atghunter wrote...

-quote

Might wanne be careful with that, mods have been quite on edge...

[bleachorange]

Euno17 wrote...

I want to now thank the OP for the wonderful troll job he did! Everything in that OP is just brilliant - classic troll material. I mean look at it! 

Impossible to verify figures/numbers

telling us how little or 'insignificant' we are

I mean look at all the posters he got to reply!! The guy trolled you all pretty hard. Seriously OP - you get a massive amount of props for this. I mean dang, its already page eight! 

How could you guys not see it? 

But the best part of the entire OP is this:

lol at the 'I don't want to start a flame war' bit. Yeah, this is like going over to a playstation forum and saying ' 360 is better!' (but I don't want to start a flame war I swear!). classic move. I am suprised how many people you got going with this! 

Luckily now that I have informed the rest that you just got trolled - I'm hoping you'll stop giving this thread attention. It's just a bad thing to feed the trolls. I'm telling ya. It's just a bad thing all around. 

Actually, I enjoy feeding trolls. It's fun even if they're laughing inside. Seriously, I don't care if someone is or is not trolling me on a forum, because I do the same to others. When a thread bores me, I leave. Simple.

[Verlidiane]

Shinobu wrote...

I've been reposting this in several threads:

atghunter wrote...

 

I hadn't read that yet, thank's for reposting here. It's a great read. And refressing in that it gives a peek to "the other side of the mirror" rather than the guessing, speculation and ranting coming from both the ending camps.  <3

[bleachorange]

@Shinobu
thanks for reposting that! We continue to hold the line, and enjoy every helping hand along the way. And, yes - the ending SUCKS BIG ONES.

[kbct]

Shinobu wrote...

I've been reposting this in several threads:

atghunter wrote...

This is probably the fifth time I've read something like that. All point in the same direction.

It was artful to say they were listening and then funnel comments into the less-noticed spoiler section.

[Lycius]

You can also count on the fact that a small percentage of those sales actually post on forums. You can't even begin to get accurate numbers other than sales because forums are not reliable in any way.

What is reliable is the fact that Forbes, freaking Forbes, is on it's 5th article about this mess now, and there is what 55k in charitable donations to Child's Play. The media including msnbc and most, if not all, of the game sites are all over this now.

55k in charity donations isn't just the same 20 people with different usernames complaining. This is a population of disgruntled gamers that will cost EA millions.

[Shinobu]

Scoob wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

I've been reposting this in several threads:

atghunter wrote...

-quote

Might wanne be careful with that, mods have been quite on edge...

Yeah, if I disappear... snipe one for me, will you?

Hold the line, guys.

[kbct]

slyguy200 wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/10089946
it is off topic but OMG have you seen this crap it is just like adding insult to injury, if any of what they said was true then they/WE would not be dealing with this bsn is like a conversational battleground because of the one freaking screw up bw has made in ME, seriously that is like *takes deep breath*   okay i am good now but that is NOT cool. 

Hmm, they link to NYT and Penny Arcade, but not to Forbes, the Poll, or any pro-gamer article.

[Barnaclebob]

plaguecaller wrote...

Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..

Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..

Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?

Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.

Most sane people honestly don't bother with forums.