whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...
Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.
Numbers are not there for the poeple who want changed endings
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:31
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:39
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STOP QUOTING THAT IT NO LONGER HAS MEANINGKastien wrote...
whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...
Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:41
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Hm? People have to BUY the game and beat it before they realize the ending is an unholy abomination? YOU DON'T SAY?!
Whether we are a minority or not is irrelevant. We are quite clearly vocal enough for people to hear, and we're angry, and I can sure as hell tell you I won't be purchasing another Bioware product again.
Entitled? Entitled for what? Expecting a semi-satisfying ending? For expecting my decisions to actually matter in the end, as was promised? Or for there to be multiple endings, also, as was promised?
(paraphrased) "The rachni will serve a very important role in the conclusion of the series if you saved the queen, and will return to help or hinder you."
Oh yes, what an important role. 50 faceless points on a counter (which even that is highly irrelevant). She even shows up as an evil clone had you killed her anyway. Yup, what importance.
Whether we are a minority or not is irrelevant. We are quite clearly vocal enough for people to hear, and we're angry, and I can sure as hell tell you I won't be purchasing another Bioware product again.
Entitled? Entitled for what? Expecting a semi-satisfying ending? For expecting my decisions to actually matter in the end, as was promised? Or for there to be multiple endings, also, as was promised?
(paraphrased) "The rachni will serve a very important role in the conclusion of the series if you saved the queen, and will return to help or hinder you."
Oh yes, what an important role. 50 faceless points on a counter (which even that is highly irrelevant). She even shows up as an evil clone had you killed her anyway. Yup, what importance.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:43
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it is further proof of there ignorance:devil:kbct wrote...
slyguy200 wrote...
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946
it is off topic but OMG have you seen this crap it is just like adding insult to injury, if any of what they said was true then they/WE would not be dealing with this bsn is like a conversational battleground because of the one freaking screw up bw has made in ME, seriously that is like *takes deep breath*okay i am good now but that is NOT cool.
Hmm, they link to NYT and Penny Arcade, but not to Forbes, the Poll, or any pro-gamer article.
You know what after what they have actually said i have made my decision absolutely NO MORE BW STUFF UNLESS ENDING IS FIXED OR THOUROUGHLY EXPLAINED.
:devil::devil::devil::devil:= rage level
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:50
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What, my money is good enough for you, but my opinion isn't?
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oh, I thought your inner demon multiplied itself or something.
@slyguy
oh, I thought your inner demon multiplied itself or something.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:52
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slyguy200 wrote...
STOP QUOTING THAT IT NO LONGER HAS MEANINGKastien wrote...
whydoyouwanttoknow wrote...
Here's something that might shock you. People buy the game BEFORE they finish it, not after.
lol-fest.
:lol::lol:
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:55
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What, my money is good enough for you, but my opinion isn't?
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oh, I thought your inner demon underwent osmosis 3 times.
it does what it will
and now bw's response has made it as strong as it was when i first saw the ending and made me pick a side and fight trolls for it
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 02:57
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(1,850,000 * $50 + (760,000 * $10) / #enjoyedendings) + #sitesthatlikeending - #sitesthatdont = lots of bullcrap numbers people pull out and throw around with basic maths that can manipulated into looking like whatever you want.
Seriously - whether you love the ending or not, don't try to justify your views and opinion with a random collection of numbers and maths.
Seriously - whether you love the ending or not, don't try to justify your views and opinion with a random collection of numbers and maths.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:01
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In that case Fable 3 was perfect in every way.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:07
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I thought it was funny how Casey said the ending was uplifting and bittersweet at the same time. Aren't those concepts contradictions?
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:10
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Assuming that people who hate the ending post here instead of Twitter or Facebook or tell their friends negative things...just a bad assumption, man.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:11
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This does not help the case for people who felt fine about the endings. It makes us look like condescending jerks who try to discredit people, and I get enough of that on the boards from people who hate the endings.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:13
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bleachorange wrote...
I thought it was funny how Casey said the ending was uplifting and bittersweet at the same time. Aren't those concepts contradictions?
I am 100% in the "the ending needs fixed' camp, and while I think Hudson's whole statment was rather aborted, i do think its possible for an ending to be both uplifting and bittersweet. Ironicly, Titanic (the film, not the historcal event) is a good example.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:15
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xsdob wrote...
This does not help the case for people who felt fine about the endings. It makes us look like condescending jerks who try to discredit people, and I get enough of that on the boards from people who hate the endings.
In other words "all you idiots who make me look stupid, CUT IT OUT! I don't like being treated like an idiot just because you and I share a viewpoint and YOU are acting like an idiot!":whistle:
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:16
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reposting, this is from another forum
http://social.biowar...349/14#10098981
I don't think Bioware is out of touch with their customers though I agree with an earlier poster that right now they are assessing their options. Nor do I think that everyone speaking up for them at the moment is a "yes man" or shill. That said:
I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options.
Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it.
If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency.
As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swollow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.
http://social.biowar...349/14#10098981
I don't think Bioware is out of touch with their customers though I agree with an earlier poster that right now they are assessing their options. Nor do I think that everyone speaking up for them at the moment is a "yes man" or shill. That said:
I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options.
Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it.
If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency.
As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swollow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:17
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Verlidiane wrote...
bleachorange wrote...
I thought it was funny how Casey said the ending was uplifting and bittersweet at the same time. Aren't those concepts contradictions?
I am 100% in the "the ending needs fixed' camp, and while I think Hudson's whole statment was rather aborted, i do think its possible for an ending to be both uplifting and bittersweet. Ironicly, Titanic (the film, not the historcal event) is a good example.
I agree. They aren't completely contradictory, but in order to be uplifting and bittersweet there has to be happy and sad plot resolutions imo(aka show us what happens to the galaxy I just jumped into the light for).
I'd go into detail, but, spoilers.
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:22
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bleachorange wrote...
xsdob wrote...
This does not help the case for people who felt fine about the endings. It makes us look like condescending jerks who try to discredit people, and I get enough of that on the boards from people who hate the endings.
In other words "all you idiots who make me look stupid, CUT IT OUT! I don't like being treated like an idiot just because you and I share a viewpoint and YOU are acting like an idiot!":whistle:
lol, but seriously those people help nobody
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:25
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slyguy200 wrote...
bleachorange wrote...
xsdob wrote...
This does not help the case for people who felt fine about the endings. It makes us look like condescending jerks who try to discredit people, and I get enough of that on the boards from people who hate the endings.
In other words "all you idiots who make me look stupid, CUT IT OUT! I don't like being treated like an idiot just because you and I share a viewpoint and YOU are acting like an idiot!":whistle:
lol, but seriously those people help nobody
True. Too true. I happen to have some of *looks around* those people on my side, can you believe it? The scandal!
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:34
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anyway the topic is gone i will find another
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Posté 17 mars 2012 - 03:53
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Which may shock you that for the most part thare are1500- 2000 posters maybe here that are in the change the endings camp..
Its almost two weeks now so a lot of people should have finished it that have bought it..
Explain why there has not been a bigger flood of poeple saying change the endings?
Only thing I can think of is the majority are ok with the game no matter what you need to believe.
Actually, if you look at the posts on other sites, which includes Gamepro, Amazon, Facebook, Gamespy and so forth, the one continual area of dissent has been about the ending. Now I would say that overall it's about 60/40 in favor for the demands of change and that is being generous, if you look at the overall numbers I would say it's fairly close. The problem then becomes that if you account that, that number represents a good portion of the hardcore, long-time Bioware fans that likely own not one but a good number of Bioware titles, that could spell a major future corporate fiscal loss. General gamers not so emotionally attatched are likely the main body of the 40% who don't care either way and simply enjoyed the game. Now take the numbers off the numerous polls that are floating around, on here or on Facebook and incorporate the sales graphic above and you could see why there is and should be a reason to be concerned.
