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[Saurel]

th3warr1or wrote...

Forumtroll wrote...

You'd be surprised how often that happens in the Grey Wardens. Look at how Duncan got recruited. He killed thhe fiancee of the Commander of Grey Wardens in Feralden, for his engagement ring I might add.

Are you serious?

th3warr1or may have to rethink his stance on the Epic Jory arguement 

[Creston918]

I had a bug in my game where I first sided with Loghain, didn't like the whole "well, then Alistair has to die" bit, reloaded, did the Landsmeet again, sided with Alistair, and yet the game still thought I had sided with Loghain.



So Loghain was actually fighting when we assaulted Denerim, he gave a little speech to my character, and he was present in the ceremony afterwards, while Alistair married Anora.



But, like I said, it was a bug.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

Killing Loghain at the Landsmeet is the wrong decision. He's been cowled in front of the people he needed to rise to power. Even if he's a future risk, right now he's a resource. Why not send him against the darkspawn like the dwarves do their criminals, rather than nurse a fetish for personal revenge (yours or Alistairs).

No, ti's the only sane decision. Think about it for a bit. Loghain has really nothing to offer you that someone else can't fulfill. He swore loyalty to Cailan, and still betrayed him (despite him being the husband of his daughter and his firends son). If he swore loyalty to you, do you relyl think you can trust his word?
And, even though he's been cowled at hte Landsmeet, there's stil la LOT of people who would follow him blindly. There's still a lot of opportunity for him to stab you in the back before hte fight with the Archdemon.

He's a technical and practical liability.
He's a political liability.
His word cannot be trusted.
And for all the crimes he did, he really doesn't deserve a honourable death or a statue.

Duncan would have recruited Loghain.

Would be nice  if you could actualyl prove that assertion. Oh wait, you can't.
B.t.w. - form what I read, Grey Wardens won't do ANYTHING or take ANYONE.

Frankly, the only reason I think Rhiodan proposes Loghains becoming a GW is because he's either senile, or simply Gaider loves his character so much he tried to squeeze some redeption path, somehow.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:06 .

[Original182]

For the people who won't do something because it crosses the line too much, you can always save the game before the critical moment, get the achievement, then load back and play the game the way you want it.

If the event never happened in any of your save games, can you say that it happened? If no, do you have to feel guilty about something that.... never happened?

Modifié par Original182, 01 décembre 2009 - 08:08 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

What's so great about an achievement anyway? It's like e-peen aving. Useless. Frills.

[Original182]

Harsh dude, do you see me bragging about my achievements or rubbing it in? No need for such judgement.

Achievements are like a goal. It's also something for perfectionists to do.

Achievements also serve as a function, it guides people to play the game fully. Initially I did the character origins just to get achievements, but it led me to play the Casteless Dwarf, which inspired me so much that I created a 2nd character after him.

[Zem_]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Duncan would have recruited Loghain.

Would be nice  if you could actualyl prove that assertion. Oh wait, you can't.

Obviously.  It's a purely hypothetical argument since, of course, Duncan is dead by this point.

B.t.w. - form what I read, Grey Wardens won't do ANYTHING or take ANYONE.

Is there a specific example that you've read where the Grey Wardens decided NOT to do something that would help them stop the Blight?  i.e. Where they chose morality/principle over necessity? 

Frankly, the only reason I think Rhiodan proposes Loghains becoming a GW is because he's either senile, or simply Gaider loves his character so much he tried to squeeze some redeption path, somehow.

Why would the lead writer need to make a diving catch here to save Loghain's reputation?  He's presumably the one who made him such a bastard in this game in the first place.  Or you want to believe that Riordan's senile?  Did he strike you as senile in any other conversation?  He seemed pretty much in control of his mental faculties to me.

Riordan is a senior member of the Grey Wardens, as Duncan was.  And here he is suggesting this terrible thing, yet you insist on believing this is not precisely how the Wardens operate?  The game practically hits you over the head several times with the idea that the Wardens DO morally questionable things so long as the goal is stopping the Blight.  They DO recruit thieves and murderers.  You can be one yourself and Duncan will give you a pat on the back and a drink with the guys later on.

[Lianaar]

I think Duncan would have recruited Loghain if he thought that Loghain is dedicated toward the Grey Wardens (even if they conflict with Ferelden). Why not? Duncan isn't Alistair. Duncan had a tough life and lived through many things. He lost people he loved and he had a task he wanted to reach.

We can not compare Alistair and Duncan as they are not the same and have a very different life. Not to mention maturity and age.

[Joie de Combat]

Riordan knew when he made the suggestion that a Warden would have to die to kill the archdemon; with that in mind, sparing Loghain becomes more practical, if still potentially risky. Duncan may very well have chosen to make Loghain a Warden as well, for the same reason; why die, or let one of his recruits die, when Loghain could die instead? But of course neither Alistair nor the PC knows about that part of it at the time. If they did, Alistair might react differently, but he doesn't know.

[Bibdy]

There's a reason why Loghain is also a Weapon & Shield warrior type 

[Jacks-Up]

Serogon wrote...

To the people who think it's purely revenge, you've got to consider what Joie de Combat said. Even ignoring the fact that you're letting him live despite his crimes, you're also letting him become a Grey Warden. Alistair sees that as a tremendous honor, and you're giving it to the man that killed the person he saw almost as his father, along with all his friends. How would you feel if some guy killed your family and friends then the President (or equivilent figure) came along and gave that person a medal?

If that medal also made buddy die instead of me I would gift wrap it for him.

[Zem_]

Joie de Combat wrote...

Riordan knew when he made the suggestion that a Warden would have to die to kill the archdemon; with that in mind, sparing Loghain becomes more practical, if still potentially risky. Duncan may very well have chosen to make Loghain a Warden as well, for the same reason; why die, or let one of his recruits die, when Loghain could die instead? But of course neither Alistair nor the PC knows about that part of it at the time. If they did, Alistair might react differently, but he doesn't know.

You don't know about the sacrifice but by this point, I am pretty sure you've been told that Wardens are required to kill the Archdemon.  Even if you just think this is because of some power in your tainted blood, it ought to be obvious that any of you can be killed in battle and four Wardens are better than three.  And the blood may kill him anyway.   Once Alistair makes this into a mutually exclusive choice, it makes no sense to pick Loghain because you may end up losing him to the joining and having Alistair run off (even though this doesn't happen, we're talking about what your character knows at this point).