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[teh DRUMPf!!]

OMG HE FOUND LOVE WITHOUT SHEPARD GOD FORBID HE BE HAPPY ON HIS OWN!!!!!!!!!!!

He meets a chick he has feelings for. Femshep is locked up and he has no clue if he'll ever see her again. You people legitimately want him to wait 'til the very literal end-of-time while his heart is telling him that he wants to be with this other girl? Nevermind half of you probably did the same to Liara or Kaidan when you pursued him.

He moved on. Now so should you.

The only argument I can accept is that it's not fair to straight femshep because she has no options other than Kaidan (who may be dead), which is a "miss" on the part of the writers. Otherwise, all the other complaints are pretty silly.

I actually now wish my femshep romanced Jacob in ME2, just to approve of what he did.

[Jadebaby]

Spoken like a true vorcha.

Though I never romanced Jacob, it is somewhat unfair that those with the connection to him drew the shortstraw, but I also thought there should have been a cure for thane so maybe i'm just a head-in-the-clouds optimist.

[dgcatanisiri]

I can understand Jacob-mancers complaints. His only justification is apparently 'how long was I supposed to wait?' We're not told that Shepard wasn't allowed calls or visitors or, if the Alliance was uncomfortable with his ties to Cerberus, letters during the time as a 'guest' of the Alliance brass, so he could have gotten in contact if he'd tried and put in the effort.But he doesn't make any attempt to try and keep the relationship alive, and, within about six months, meets this other woman, falls in love with her, and gets her pregnant. If this were a guy I'd been in a relationship with, hell yes I'd be pissed.

[MartialArtsMaster]

The problem in this debate is that Jacob behaves exactly the same way in all Shepard storylines...it only has a negative impact if you romanced him.

If you didn't romance him, his decision actually comes off as very mature believe it or not: to paraphrase, "My own father walked out on our family, so instead of obsessing over that I'm going to strive not to emulate his mistakes and be a good father to my OWN son."

[teh DRUMPf!!]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I can understand Jacob-mancers complaints. His only justification is apparently 'how long was I supposed to wait?' We're not told that Shepard wasn't allowed calls or visitors or, if the Alliance was uncomfortable with his ties to Cerberus, letters during the time as a 'guest' of the Alliance brass, so he could have gotten in contact if he'd tried and put in the effort.But he doesn't make any attempt to try and keep the relationship alive, and, within about six months, meets this other woman, falls in love with her, and gets her pregnant. If this were a guy I'd been in a relationship with, hell yes I'd be pissed.

Per James, Shepard was under constant surveillance on Earth. And a bunch of squadmates said the same thing too, they were not able to contact him/her. IIRC, some were surprised he/she got off of Earth at all.

So it's not simply that Jacob couldn't talk to her, he was actually completely in the dark about what was going on.

At that point he has to choocse between banging his head against the wall and getting worked up about something he can't control or move on and do something meaningful at a time when the galaxy needs it most. And he made the right choice. This is one of the few times I see that side of Jacob that people claim is his biggest strength: stability.

[PsyrenY]

Besides, you were his plan B anyway. I still don't get why any femshep would line up for that job.

And isn't he the only LI that can break up with you? (Outside of three-way "confrontations.") Clearly the romance wasn't earth-shattering to begin with.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

This is one of the few times I see that side of Jacob that people claim is his biggest strength: stability.

Adding on to this, also one of the few times I've seen "normal" too.

Think about it, why don't any of the other ME2 romances (or in the whole series) move on with someone else? Because they're misfits in the world. There's something to be said for what happened to Jacob.

Maybe Ashley could too. But everyone else has issues.

[Kilshrek]

Well, people were asking and asking for squaddies(current and former) to hook up if they didn't get it on with Shep, but I don't think they saw this coming. Tali and Garrus getting it on was hilarious though.

Apparently Ken and Gabby can too, but I never saw this.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 16 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[Femmefatality07]

...Cause it had to be the black guy...
/sarcasm

[rpgfan321]

I also approve of Jacob in ME3. I thought what he did, he had balls. I mean it is quite normal that other people don't find Shepard that attractive to engage in a relationship. Still it is quite a disappointment to those (femsheps) who liked Jacob as their LI in ME2. Good thing I have Kaidan then. ^^

[Rogue Unit]

rpgfan321 wrote...

I also approve of Jacob in ME3. I thought what he did, he had balls. I mean it is quite normal that other people don't find Shepard that attractive to engage in a relationship. Still it is quite a disappointment to those (femsheps) who liked Jacob as their LI in ME2. Good thing I have Kaidan then. ^^

You approval of Jacob running behind Shepard back and knocking some random chick up? And since when does it take balls to be a cheating bastard? It would be been different if he'd broken up with Shepard beforehand, but...

[rpgfan321]

Rogue Unit wrote...

rpgfan321 wrote...

I also approve of Jacob in ME3. I thought what he did, he had balls. I mean it is quite normal that other people don't find Shepard that attractive to engage in a relationship. Still it is quite a disappointment to those (femsheps) who liked Jacob as their LI in ME2. Good thing I have Kaidan then. ^^

You approval of Jacob running behind Shepard back and knocking some random chick up? And since when does it take balls to be a cheating bastard? It would be been different if he'd broken up with Shepard beforehand, but...

Well. In previous Bioware games, only the PCs were thought out to be attractive and could engage in relationships etc. Sometimes it was focused on just the PCs. Branching out outside the PCs' control, in my opinion, made the universe more natural. If Kaidan or Liara was romanced in ME, and Shepard romanced Jacob in ME2, it is practically the same thing as what Jacob did in ME3. That's my take on it. But it is a big disappointing to Jacob fans who wanted to hook back up or a kiss.

If I have offended you, I apologize. But that's just my opinion.

[PsyrenY]

Rogue Unit wrote...

rpgfan321 wrote...

I also approve of Jacob in ME3. I thought what he did, he had balls. I mean it is quite normal that other people don't find Shepard that attractive to engage in a relationship. Still it is quite a disappointment to those (femsheps) who liked Jacob as their LI in ME2. Good thing I have Kaidan then. ^^

You approval of Jacob running behind Shepard back and knocking some random chick up? And since when does it take balls to be a cheating bastard? It would be been different if he'd broken up with Shepard beforehand, but...

He couldn't even talk to you; The Alliance had you under lock and key. If even Miranda couldn't get at you (and this is the woman who can hack into the Spectre terminal), what chance did Jacob have?

[Rogue Unit]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

rpgfan321 wrote...

I also approve of Jacob in ME3. I thought what he did, he had balls. I mean it is quite normal that other people don't find Shepard that attractive to engage in a relationship. Still it is quite a disappointment to those (femsheps) who liked Jacob as their LI in ME2. Good thing I have Kaidan then. ^^

You approval of Jacob running behind Shepard back and knocking some random chick up? And since when does it take balls to be a cheating bastard? It would be been different if he'd broken up with Shepard beforehand, but...

He couldn't even talk to you; The Alliance had you under lock and key. If even Miranda couldn't get at you (and this is the woman who can hack into the Spectre terminal), what chance did Jacob have?

How about before the Normandy was impounded? If he knew he wouldn't be able to resist the prize until Shepard was released from Allianace custody, he should have ended it there.

[SilentK]

rpgfan321 wrote...

Well. In previous Bioware games, only
the PCs were thought out to be attractive and could engage in
relationships etc. Sometimes it was focused on just the PCs. Branching
out outside the PCs' control, in my opinion, made the universe more
natural. If Kaidan or Liara was romanced in ME, and Shepard romanced
Jacob in ME2, it is practically the same thing as what Jacob did in ME3.
That's my take on it. But it is a big disappointing to Jacob fans who
wanted to hook back up or a kiss.

If I have offended you, I apologize. But that's just my opinion. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

The thing is... it doesn't flow natural if one looks at his dialogue for a FemShep that romanced him. Not at all. He is the only one in ME2 that says "I love you", he is portrayed as a very serious and stable man. It is not about "wanting to hook back up", it is about Jacob's character making a 180 degrees turn without any kind of explanation for it. Those that didn't try to get to know him better in ME2 can drive by the train wreck and say "that looks interesting". Those of us that invested time in getting to know him better don't have the luxury of of seeing it as entertainment.

Modifié par SilentK, 16 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Ailith Tycane]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

OMG HE FOUND LOVE WITHOUT SHEPARD GOD FORBID HE BE HAPPY ON HIS OWN!!!!!!!!!!!

He meets a chick he has feelings for. Femshep is locked up and he has no clue if he'll ever see her again. You people legitimately want him to wait 'til the very literal end-of-time while his heart is telling him that he wants to be with this other girl? Nevermind half of you probably did the same to Liara or Kaidan when you pursued him.

He moved on. Now so should you.

The only argument I can accept is that it's not fair to straight femshep because she has no options other than Kaidan (who may be dead), which is a "miss" on the part of the writers. Otherwise, all the other complaints are pretty silly.

I actually now wish my femshep romanced Jacob in ME2, just to approve of what he did.

It sounds like you've possibly cheated on someone in the past and are trying very hard to make yourself feel better about it, lol.

[PsyrenY]

Rogue Unit wrote...

How about before the Normandy was impounded? If he knew he wouldn't be able to resist the prize until Shepard was released from Allianace custody, he should have ended it there.

Before the Normandy was impounded he was on it, with you. Why would he break up then?

It's only after months apart with no contact whatsoever that he began to feel lonely. And along comes Brynn...

[Rogue Unit]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

How about before the Normandy was impounded? If he knew he wouldn't be able to resist the prize until Shepard was released from Allianace custody, he should have ended it there.

Before the Normandy was impounded he was on it, with you. Why would he break up then?

It's only after months apart with no contact whatsoever that he began to feel lonely. And along comes Brynn...

Because you just blew a mass relay and was about to turn the ship over to the Alliance. He knew you'd be gone and out of contact for some time.

[SilentK]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

How about before the Normandy was impounded? If he knew he wouldn't be able to resist the prize until Shepard was released from Allianace custody, he should have ended it there.

Before the Normandy was impounded he was on it, with you. Why would he break up then?

It's only after months apart with no contact whatsoever that he began to feel lonely. And along comes Brynn...

Jacob's lines prior the SM in ME2:
"We're our last hours, heading straight into the enemy.
I wanted...
I want you.
Before we win, lose, whatever.
Doesn't matter.
I love you."


He has some of the best convos I've seen in a romance-arc. But very few have seen them, since few took the time to romance him. You only get to see that side of him if you do. That comes from the scene prior to the SM.

Before we win, lose, whatever. Doesn't matter, I love you. Unless you are gone for six months because then I'm dumping you...  ???

Modifié par SilentK, 16 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I can understand Jacob-mancers complaints. His only justification is apparently 'how long was I supposed to wait?' We're not told that Shepard wasn't allowed calls or visitors or, if the Alliance was uncomfortable with his ties to Cerberus, letters during the time as a 'guest' of the Alliance brass, so he could have gotten in contact if he'd tried and put in the effort.But he doesn't make any attempt to try and keep the relationship alive, and, within about six months, meets this other woman, falls in love with her, and gets her pregnant. If this were a guy I'd been in a relationship with, hell yes I'd be pissed.

Exactly this. Add in the fact that he is the only love interest to move on and just so happens to be the least popular one, and you don't have a character that had some strong development. You have a bunch of writers who decided his romance wasn't worth their time and resources and just decided to end it. If they had Jacob break it off with Shepard beore getting with Brynn, I'd be upset but get over it in time. What they chose to do just comes across as them not particularly caring. Add in the treatment of other ME2 LIs, like the inability to see Jack most of the game and no one bothering to mourn Thane's death, and it becomes clearer that they didn't care much about the ME2 romances, Jacob included.

[Ailith Tycane]

Jacob is a ho.

[Sarah1281]

OMG HE FOUND LOVE WITHOUT SHEPARD GOD FORBID HE BE HAPPY ON HIS OWN!!!!!!!!!!!

He meets a chick he has feelings for. Femshep is locked up and he has no clue if he'll ever see her again. You people legitimately want him to wait 'til the very literal end-of-time while his heart is telling him that he wants to be with this other girl? Nevermind half of you probably did the same to Liara or Kaidan when you pursued him.

I don't give a damn that he decided to move on from Shepard. Shepard is not the center of the universe and it was a fairly new relationship. Even stable long-term relationships can't always handle a lengthy separation.

The reason I'm pissed at Jacob is because he did not break up with Shepard before moving on.

Several of your squadmates said that they should have visited you but were busy. Miranda doesn't say that she couldn't get to you. She said that she was in hiding and considered coming out of it and putting a target on her back to see you but it was too dangerous. Anderson seems surprised that Kaidan/Ashley didn't tell you about the promotion. If you're really supposed to be so completely cut off from the world then how could you have possibly been told about the promotion?

And let's not forget that you don't go immediately from house arrest to meeting Jacob again. It's at least a few weeks if not months until you get the Jacob mission. Thane manages to contact you by sending a bunch of emails to different places. Jacob really can't try the same thing for his much more important news?

Was he EVER going to try to contact Shepard? He said that he never expected to see her again which points to 'no.' He was honestly going to just never tell Shepard she was single thus forcing Shepard to remain true to him and never be in a relationship EVER or force Shepard to feel like a terrible person for cheating on him when, in fact, their relationship was already over.

An email breaking up would have been tacky but then at least you could argue that face-to-face wasn't realisitc at that point.

[KainD]

I would/will never get into a relationship with a person that is capable of moving. That is all.

[BatmanPWNS]

The only problem is that FemShep is already screwed with Thane, why should they be screwed from 2/3 romance from ME2? Imagine if Miranda or Tali broke up with Shep, the whole forum would explode.

[Apathy1989]

Anyone who romanced jacob only did it for his body anyway. Why romance him when you got garrus in ME2?

Same with thane, if you didn't see that going badly, I can only imagine the emotional baggage you have in real life.