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[Bluumberry]

lyssalu wrote...

they spent a lot of time on his romance -- they weren't trying to insult their female players with it.

Irony.

[mnomaha]

disc0nnect7 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The only problem is that FemShep is already screwed with Thane, why should they be screwed from 2/3 romance from ME2? Imagine if Miranda or Tali broke up with Shep, the whole forum would explode.

Yeah, it would be terrible because those characters are actually popular.

(Also, you're not their plan B choice.)

Who said Thane isn't popular? Female players got screwed over this time around, it's complete nonsense really. Jacob may not have had the biggest fanbase but people still did romance him in 2, THAT'S what matters. Bioware should have considered those who did instead of coming up with this new plot line for him. They're basically saying Oh you romanced Jacob LOL good luck with that, you should have just stuck with Liara/Kaiden/Garrus.

This. Exactly this.

This is an especially large slap in the face/balls/whatever for a game renouned for player choices. When did my choices only include Kaidan, Ashley, Liara and Garrus? Hell, even Kelly nets you a paramour cheev. They gave Jacob a serious case of blue balls after a few months and didn't even bother that much with Thane.

Pitiful...

[Pockles]

Waiting forever is one thing. A mere six months is another entirely.

I always thought Jacob was a cheeky ingrate, though. I wasn't really surprised.

[spirosz]

The main issue I have with his is it happens regardless of LI status or not. Plus the fact that FemShep can't stay with Jacob anymore. Naming the kid Shepard too, damn. I'm all for Jacob moving on and such and I understand the mindset of "how long was I supposed to wait?", this stuff happens in RL, but you think he would have some ties being a Corsair and former alliance and would be able to get at least one freaking phone call in to see how each other are doing. I agree with it seeming a bit out of character, as others have stated - we got the sense that he was committed to the relationship regardless of the risks (but the priiiiiiize). It just bugs me that people who wanted to romance him have to deal with this situation.

[GothamLord]

spiros9110 wrote...

The main issue I have with his is it happens regardless of LI status or not. Plus the fact that FemShep can't stay with Jacob anymore. Naming the kid Shepard too, damn. I'm all for Jacob moving on and such and I understand the mindset of "how long was I supposed to wait?", this stuff happens in RL, but you think he would have some ties being a Corsair and former alliance and would be able to get at least one freaking phone call in to see how each other are doing. I agree with it seeming a bit out of character, as others have stated - we got the sense that he was committed to the relationship regardless of the risks (but the priiiiiiize). It just bugs me that people who wanted to romance him have to deal with this situation.

And the Corsair and Alliance connections are just on Jacob's end.   Shepard had even higher connections with people like Anderson. If emails wanted to get sent out I highly doubt there would have been any way to really stop them completely. BioWare expecting to buy that for 6 months Shepard had no contact options with ANY of his former squad mates is a insulting notion.

Modifié par GothamLord, 18 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[PsyrenY]

disc0nnect7 wrote...

Who said Thane isn't popular? Female players got screwed over this time around, it's complete nonsense really.

FemShep gets Garrus and Maleshep doesn't, in what way is she screwed?

GothamLord wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

The main issue I have with his is it happens regardless of LI status or not. Plus the fact that FemShep can't stay with Jacob anymore. Naming the kid Shepard too, damn. I'm all for Jacob moving on and such and I understand the mindset of "how long was I supposed to wait?", this stuff happens in RL, but you think he would have some ties being a Corsair and former alliance and would be able to get at least one freaking phone call in to see how each other are doing. I agree with it seeming a bit out of character, as others have stated - we got the sense that he was committed to the relationship regardless of the risks (but the priiiiiiize). It just bugs me that people who wanted to romance him have to deal with this situation.

And the Corsair and Alliance connections are just on Jacob's end.   Shepard had even higher connections with people like Anderson. If emails wanted to get sent out I highly doubt there would have been any way to really stop them completely. BioWare expecting to buy that for 6 months Shepard had no contact options with ANY of his former squad mates is a insulting notion.

Shepard's connections mean nothing, none of the LIs can reach her. Not even Miranda, who can get messages into Spectre HQ. So Jacob has no chance and nothing truly important to occupy his mind, so he has more reason to move on during the silence than the other LIs.

[GothamLord]

Are you seriously content riding that train of logic? Shepard was a Spectre. Shepard has Admirals in the Alliance as friends. He got put on lockdown for blowing up Batarians. Batarians are far from loved by any humans given their history of conflicts. If Shepard wanted to get a message out to anyone there is no excuse for it to not happen. The only reason it wouldnt because Shepard chooses to cut ties. Which is absolute BS on BioWare's end. For Jacob or any of the other L.I.s

[SilentK]

Optimystic_X wrote...

disc0nnect7 wrote...

Who said Thane isn't popular? Female players got screwed over this time around, it's complete nonsense really.

FemShep gets Garrus and Maleshep doesn't, in what way is she screwed?

No matter how great the Garrus romance-arc is, it is sad that that is the only one to have any kind of continuation into ME3 of all the romances available in ME2. Garrus is great, but not all are into him as a LI. It is a matter of the LI:s of BroShep getting a continuation, even if Jack get's less than Miranda she does get something.

Miranada: Good content, Tali: squad member, Jack: Less but what ge get to see of her is great!
Jacob: Nada, silch, "My new GF want's to name the kid after you, FemShep", Garrus: squad memeber, Thane: Whoops, we forgot that some people romanced him.

In ME and ME2 BroShep and FemShep had it pretty good the both of them, when push came to shove in the last game FemShep was forgotten. You can't swing a dead cat in ME3 without hitting a female LI who may or may not be there for FemShep. But there are two male LI:s, in the entire galaxy. Heck, starting a new Shepard in ME3 BroShep has more guys with both Cortez and Kaidan, than FemShep only has Kaidan.

[GothamLord]

I just had the mental image of Kaidan getting hit in the face with a cat, then running off to go cry.

[Golden Owl]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

This is one of the few times I see that side of Jacob that people claim is his biggest strength: stability.

Adding on to this, also one of the few times I've seen "normal" too.

Think about it, why don't any of the other ME2 romances (or in the whole series) move on with someone else? Because they're misfits in the world. There's something to be said for what happened to Jacob.

Maybe Ashley could too. But everyone else has issues.

That's a load of rot.....If you find what or who you want in your life, often times it is necessary to be patient once you have found it or that person, if your not prepared to wait, that person didn't mean that much to you to begin with...your claiming 'normal' is no real feelings involved in the first place.

I have a consistantly unromanced manShep, the romances on offer never appealed to me in the first place, after hearing about what has happened to so many of the LI's (ME2 LI's) I am glad I never hooked my Shep up with anyone....what BW did with Jacob bites hard, they have painted him as a man of no real substance or back bone, it's a shame....BW dropped the ball badly on Jacob and thane.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 18 mars 2012 - 10:35 .

[FeralEwok]

People romanced Jacob?

[Hathur]

FeralEwok wrote...

People romanced Jacob?

Wasn't aware that scene in ME2 really qualifies as "romance" 

[ElnVld]

spiros9110 wrote...
 
this stuff happens in RL

 
 Well ... in RL there are many other men. I just don't believe that such a well-known and charismatic woman as Shep can't find a human guy for LI.

Modifié par ElnVld, 18 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[spirosz]

ElnVld wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...
 
this stuff happens in RL

 
 Well ... in RL there are many other men. I just don't believe that such a well-known and charismatic woman as Shep can't find a human guy for LI.

True, the female players did get shafted when it comes to the LI choices. 

[RVallant]

Split this argument into two camps.

1) Yes Jacob's plotline is a sucker-punch for femsheps, that's just a douche move.

2) Fair play for Bioware for not shying away from actually doing it. It's nice to see that some people are falliable, that some just aren't loyal or don't wait... Don't resent the writing because you don't agree with it and it's a sucky thing to experience, that's probably the entire point and if you feel that way, that's usually good writing.

As for if Miranda or whatever 'cheated' on you causing the forums to explode? Probably likely to happen, but, that's no bad 'thing' or bad writing... What I'm trying to say is, people flipping out about the direction of a character and his/her romance even if it's douchey, isn't always a 'bad' thing. That shows connection and anyone who can't accept that its happened and tries justifying the 'character' as not doing that or being unreasonable are perhaps just sore that it didn't turn out the way they wanted it. (If so, deal with it.)

[disc0nnect7]

SilentK wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

disc0nnect7 wrote...

Who said Thane isn't popular? Female players got screwed over this time around, it's complete nonsense really.

FemShep gets Garrus and Maleshep doesn't, in what way is she screwed?

No matter how great the Garrus romance-arc is, it is sad that that is the only one to have any kind of continuation into ME3 of all the romances available in ME2. Garrus is great, but not all are into him as a LI. It is a matter of the LI:s of BroShep getting a continuation, even if Jack get's less than Miranda she does get something.

Miranada: Good content, Tali: squad member, Jack: Less but what ge get to see of her is great!
Jacob: Nada, silch, "My new GF want's to name the kid after you, FemShep", Garrus: squad memeber, Thane: Whoops, we forgot that some people romanced him.

In ME and ME2 BroShep and FemShep had it pretty good the both of them, when push came to shove in the last game FemShep was forgotten. You can't swing a dead cat in ME3 without hitting a female LI who may or may not be there for FemShep. But there are two male LI:s, in the entire galaxy. Heck, starting a new Shepard in ME3 BroShep has more guys with both Cortez and Kaidan, than FemShep only has Kaidan.

Exactly. Female Shepard has two male LI's that can carry throughout the game. Add to the fact that Kaiden could have died on Virmire then there's only Garrus. Garrus is great, but some of us weren't interested in a romance with him, as well as some of us aren't interested in a relationship with Liara or Traynor.

Not exactly fair when MaleShep has a harem of LI's.

Modifié par disc0nnect7, 18 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[HK-90210]

RVallant wrote...
As for if Miranda or whatever 'cheated' on you causing the forums to explode? Probably likely to happen, but, that's no bad 'thing' or bad writing... What I'm trying to say is, people flipping out about the direction of a character and his/her romance even if it's douchey, isn't always a 'bad' thing. That shows connection and anyone who can't accept that its happened and tries justifying the 'character' as not doing that or being unreasonable are perhaps just sore that it didn't turn out the way they wanted it. (If so, deal with it.)

That or they're right and Bioware simply took a lazy approach to a character due to his lack of popularity. Just sayin'.

[Visii]

CastonFolarus wrote...

RVallant wrote...
As for if Miranda or whatever 'cheated' on you causing the forums to explode? Probably likely to happen, but, that's no bad 'thing' or bad writing... What I'm trying to say is, people flipping out about the direction of a character and his/her romance even if it's douchey, isn't always a 'bad' thing. That shows connection and anyone who can't accept that its happened and tries justifying the 'character' as not doing that or being unreasonable are perhaps just sore that it didn't turn out the way they wanted it. (If so, deal with it.)

That or they're right and Bioware simply took a lazy approach to a character due to his lack of popularity. Just sayin'.

This. The fact that Jacob is the only one who unequivocally puts an end to the relationship without any wrong on Shepard's part is proof of that.

[Omega Torsk]

Honestly, I was shocked to discover that he starts a relationship even if Femshep romanced him in ME2. It just adds to my dislike of his character!

Even towards Maleshep, he seemed to have gained a higher opinion of himself. His comment about how Shepard's first love will always be for the Normandy and that he can't ever imagine Shepard settling down seemed very uncouth (especially since Ashley, who my Shepard was romancing, was standing right next to him when he said that).

But I guess it adds realism to these games. Can't expect everyone to be loyal, I suppose. Still, my heart goes out to the people who enjoyed his romance and were greatly disappointed with him basically forgetting it and moving on behind Shepard's back (even boasting that they were pregnant). Had that happened with Ashley, my favorite LI, I would have raged.

[lyssalu]

RVallant wrote...


Split this argument into two camps.

1) Yes Jacob's plotline is a sucker-punch for femsheps, that's just a douche move.

2) Fair play for Bioware for not shying away from actually doing it. It's nice to see that some people are falliable, that some just aren't loyal or don't wait... Don't resent the writing because you don't agree with it and it's a sucky thing to experience, that's probably the entire point and if you feel that way, that's usually good writing.

As for if Miranda or whatever 'cheated' on you causing the forums to explode? Probably likely to happen, but, that's no bad 'thing' or bad writing... What I'm trying to say is, people flipping out about the direction of a character and his/her romance even if it's douchey, isn't always a 'bad' thing. That shows connection and anyone who can't accept that its happened and tries justifying the 'character' as not doing that or being unreasonable are perhaps just sore that it didn't turn out the way they wanted it. (If so, deal with it.)

nah man it was bad writing

objectively, it was bad writing

[rudenotginger]

I didn't romance Jacob, but I liked him as a bro, and before I knew he cheated on FemSheps he had relationships with I was quite happy for him. I thought he was nice that he'd found someone and was going to have a family, and I genuinely thought it was different with a ME2 romance.
Then I checked YouTube. From that perspective, it's pretty douche-y.

[lyssalu]

rudenotginger wrote...

I didn't romance Jacob, but I liked him as a bro, and before I knew he cheated on FemSheps he had relationships with I was quite happy for him. I thought he was nice that he'd found someone and was going to have a family, and I genuinely thought it was different with a ME2 romance.
Then I checked YouTube. From that perspective, it's pretty douche-y.

yeah, i think bioware put that whole subplot into place for jacob's character arc to appeal to male gamers.  they really didn't give a **** about the (hetero) women playing their game this time around.  a straight woman can only initiate a new romance with kaidan, who has a 50/50 chance of already being dead.  then jacob cheats and thane, who has extremely limited romantic content, dies. 

garrus is great, but that's only if you chose to romance him in me2.

Modifié par lyssalu, 20 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[ticklefist]

TBH I'd cheat on Shep for Lady Hawke too.