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Linus108 wrote...

I find these kind of reactions...to be bizarre.

"At first I hated the ending, now I'm in awe! I realize the brilliance that BioWare has done here, because it's a twist!"

Why would you be in "awe" based off a vast assumption. I get speculating. But some of you are 100% believing something is going to happen, and there is no guarantees.

Official Bioware Twitter pretty much sealed it also - check it out.

[Hexi-decimal]

Linus108 wrote...

I find these kind of reactions...to be bizarre.

"At first I hated the ending, now I'm in awe! I realize the brilliance that BioWare has done here, because it's a twist!"

Why would you be in "awe" based off a vast assumption. I get speculating. But some of you are 100% believing something is going to happen, and there is no guarantees.

Hope springs eternal I guess.  

[Aesieru]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-If you are right its the first time in gaming history that a company has trolled its own client base. Incidentially it will also be the last because the ****estorm has been so powerfull.


If you are wrong, you are nothing more than trolls.

So Im leaning toward "obvious troll is obvious". Bye now.

HEY!

You're not banned anymore!

WOO!

-Oy! And hahah... nope. Only 24hrs in the "slammer". Spent the time blogging and catching up on other stuff. Check my blog if you have the time.

Yeah I was baffled when you got banned, not sure what you posted. I got banned earlier for a bit for saying that abuse of power is bad. <.<

You know "ban" usually means you know... permanent. "KICKING" is when you do it temp.

A blog eh? I avoid the internet as much as I can believe it or not.

[jamiekas]

Wow, people went from cursing Bioware to congratulating them!
Gotta love the internet

[815Sox]

Ryvack wrote...

 Hmmmm...<_<   ^knows something we dont.   

alright...you got my attention...now spill it!


'AWAKENING'!!!!!!!

No... he doesn't know anything that we do not. Its just yet another thread that is somehow related to the ending. 

[Farbautisonn]

Aesieru wrote...

Yeah I was baffled when you got banned, not sure what you posted. I got banned earlier for a bit for saying that abuse of power is bad. <.<

You know "ban" usually means you know... permanent. "KICKING" is when you do it temp.

A blog eh? I avoid the internet as much as I can believe it or not.

-Kicked then

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815Sox wrote...

Ryvack wrote...

 Hmmmm...<_<   ^knows something we dont.   

alright...you got my attention...now spill it!


'AWAKENING'!!!!!!!

No... he doesn't know anything that we do not. Its just yet another thread that is somehow related to the ending. 

"From dust, We pick ourselves up and head into the fray"

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Prove it.

Whoops... can't do that can you?^^

[Rusty0918]

jamiekas, what they're talking about there is the speculation that Bioware has something up their sleeves, which I can't fully say.

[Sphynx118]

You really think bioware... They company that gave us DA2 and SWTOR... are capable of something like the "Indoctrination theory"?

Its a great theory and i would love for it to come through but seriously?

If you read Mac walters notes about the ending you wouldnt be so optimistic.

[Arlind Webb]

Huh? Did I miss something?

[Sailears]

_Martyr_ wrote...

Proof please. I'm "fifty fifty" for now.

I'm 80% in favour now, and that is increasing with each passing day. We are being played.

[Rusty0918]

What Sphynx118 was talking about are the snapshot of the ending notes on ME3 that was mentioend in that "Final Hours" guide or whatever-it-was.

[Drake-Shepard]

The indoc theory addresses every single plot hole the literal ending had.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

this guy made a great video.




ps.
If you think the literal end is literal then apparently your EMS score effects what solutions the catalyst provides you with. So astro child would say to you...you know what..your army outside is not big enough so i am going to withold an option. Or your EMS is too low so the destroy reaper option will destroy everything ..instead of just the reapers.

This makes absolute no sense, if it was all literal. I don;t think bioware are gods...but give them some credit.

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 16 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[I TV Casualty I]

jamiekas wrote...

Wow, people went from cursing Bioware to congratulating them!
Gotta love the internet

Not EVERYONE was cursing BioWare you know... you can't just assume that the people that support Indoc Theory are the same ones doing those asinine petitions.

[Nelatherion]

OP pretty much did what I did.

"Huh?"
"Aww this is so sad"
"**** I just ************"

You get my point.

[Sphynx118]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

The indoc theory addresses every single plot hole the literal ending had.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

this guy made a great video.




ps.
If you think the literal end is literal then apparently your EMS score effects what solutions the catalyst provides you with. So astro child would say to you...you know what..your army outside is not big enough so i am going to withold an option. Or your EMS is too low so the destroy reaper option will destroy everything ..instead of just the reapers.

This makes absolute no sense, if it was all literal. I don;t think bioware are gods...but give them some credit.

"This makes no sense so it must be a sign of something big thats gonna fix it all".

What? -.- Seriously? So something big is gonna fix DA2? Cuz that game made no sense at all.

 Mac Walters (yes the LEAD writer) notes pretty much states that he came up with that ending while drunk at home. And that he SCRAPPED shepard being INDOCTRINATED because it wasnt good storytelling

[Drake-Shepard]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

The indoc theory addresses every single plot hole the literal ending had.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

this guy made a great video.




ps.
If you think the literal end is literal then apparently your EMS score effects what solutions the catalyst provides you with. So astro child would say to you...you know what..your army outside is not big enough so i am going to withold an option. Or your EMS is too low so the destroy reaper option will destroy everything ..instead of just the reapers.

This makes absolute no sense, if it was all literal. I don;t think bioware are gods...but give them some credit.

"This makes no sense so it must be a sign of something big thats gonna fix it all".

What? -.- Seriously? So something big is gonna fix DA2? Cuz that game made no sense at all.

 Mac Walters (yes the LEAD writer) notes pretty much states that he came up with that ending while drunk at home. And that he SCRAPPED shepard being INDOCTRINATED because it wasnt good storytelling

i never said 
"This makes no sense so it must be a sign of something big thats gonna fix it all".  

I said the literal interpretation makes no sense and is full of plot holes but this indoc 'theory' makes complete sense and fills in all the holes.

Also the writers were trying to make shepard fully indoctrinated, but it was too difficult to write and implement (understandably) however they came up with this fight indoctrination event. 

I still understand your concerns, i admit it could still be bad story tellings...maybe they couldn't bother to continue it because they dug themselves a hole so came up with a indoc ending just before the end, with no ending/ cutscene dlc on the horizon. That is lazy.

However the indoc theory is still the correct interpretation and fingers crossed this was planned and a good ending is part of it (without me having to pay for it)

It is too early for me to commend them. But it is also too early for others to complain. .....unless your 100% sure there is no indoc in the ending! lol

[Rusty0918]

So it's only that they tried "full indoctrination" and it didn't work too well so they went for "fighting indoctrination," if I'm getting, right? That he did have some "control" in his dream-whatever-sequence.

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Sphynx118 wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

The indoc theory addresses every single plot hole the literal ending had.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

this guy made a great video.




ps.
If you think the literal end is literal then apparently your EMS score effects what solutions the catalyst provides you with. So astro child would say to you...you know what..your army outside is not big enough so i am going to withold an option. Or your EMS is too low so the destroy reaper option will destroy everything ..instead of just the reapers.

This makes absolute no sense, if it was all literal. I don;t think bioware are gods...but give them some credit.

"This makes no sense so it must be a sign of something big thats gonna fix it all".

What? -.- Seriously? So something big is gonna fix DA2? Cuz that game made no sense at all.

 Mac Walters (yes the LEAD writer) notes pretty much states that he came up with that ending while drunk at home. And that he SCRAPPED shepard being INDOCTRINATED because it wasnt good storytelling

He scrapped a sequence where he was fully controlled by the Reapers in a scene due to mechanics/story angles... also BRO - it's nigh on obvious that this is deliberate and directed, to think otherwise would only make for ongoing self inflicted butthurt..  It's a fine act of trolling, I just hope they don't let it go on too long, the Volus could spontaniously combust if left too long in the sun.

[Ryvack]

Sphynx118 wrote...

You really think bioware... They company that gave us DA2 and SWTOR... are capable of something like the "Indoctrination theory"?

Its a great theory and i would love for it to come through but seriously?

If you read Mac walters notes about the ending you wouldnt be so optimistic.

Their games have seperate divisions and teams producing each title...I would expect something like this from the Mass Effect team....finish with a bang.   ofc this is all just speculation and we all have no clue wtf they're up too.

I'm crossing my fingers that this theory follows through.

soooo we got the 'Jack Daniels' ending...great!

Modifié par Ryvack, 16 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Sphynx118]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

The indoc theory addresses every single plot hole the literal ending had.

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

this guy made a great video.




ps.
If you think the literal end is literal then apparently your EMS score effects what solutions the catalyst provides you with. So astro child would say to you...you know what..your army outside is not big enough so i am going to withold an option. Or your EMS is too low so the destroy reaper option will destroy everything ..instead of just the reapers.

This makes absolute no sense, if it was all literal. I don;t think bioware are gods...but give them some credit.

"This makes no sense so it must be a sign of something big thats gonna fix it all".

What? -.- Seriously? So something big is gonna fix DA2? Cuz that game made no sense at all.

 Mac Walters (yes the LEAD writer) notes pretty much states that he came up with that ending while drunk at home. And that he SCRAPPED shepard being INDOCTRINATED because it wasnt good storytelling

i never said 
"This makes no sense so it must be a sign of something big thats gonna fix it all".  

I said the literal interpretation makes no sense and is full of plot holes but this indoc 'theory' makes complete sense and fills in all the holes.

Also the writers were trying to make shepard fully indoctrinated, but it was too difficult to write and implement (understandably) however they came up with this fight indoctrination event. 

I still understand your concerns, i admit it could still be bad story tellings...maybe they couldn't bother to continue it because they dug themselves a hole so came up with a indoc ending just before the end, with no ending/ cutscene dlc on the horizon. That is lazy.

However the indoc theory is still the correct interpretation and fingers crossed this was planned and a good ending is part of it (without me having to pay for it)

It is too early for me to commend them. But it is also too early for others to complain. .....unless your 100% sure there is no indoc in the ending! lol

Fair enough.

It would be awesome if the "indoctrination theory" was their plan all along and they release it as dlc.
But I still think the idea is way too complex for a company like bioware to come up with.
 
They might steal it or parts of it and call it theirs but they werent planning it all along

[brfritos]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

I can't believe people are saying the ''alternative'' theory is made up...it makes the most sense and fills in every single plot hole

I think the problem goes more deeper than that.
OK, I didn't liked the end too, is full of plot holes and basically it makes no sense at all.
But forget that.

The real problem and I think we should start to focus on that when talking about the end is that ANY choice you've maded in previous games or will make in ME3 matters.

For example, it doesn't matter if the crew and/or squad mates of ME2 survived, if some race goes extinct, if you solve or not the Quarian/Geth war, if you save or not someone, none of this matters or influence the outcome.
You will always get the same fate for Shepard, the decision to destroy, control or sintesis don't make a slightest difference apart one crew member surviving or not and the galaxy is always destroyed (remember Arrival, people).

This is far worse than the other problems, because the replay value of ME3 is 0.

[Drake-Shepard]

Rusty0918 wrote...

So it's only that they tried "full indoctrination" and it didn't work too well so they went for "fighting indoctrination," if I'm getting, right? That he did have some "control" in his dream-whatever-sequence.

i just read under a youtube video and other people were agreeing with this post. thus i am a secondary source so don't hold me to it.

The dream sequences has oily figures and markings...both when you are chasing the boy through the forest and in the TIM, Anderson dialogue.
Oily shadow dialogue metioned by the rachni queeen:

''
this was tweeted by jessica marizen, a PR person for BW:mike123: i just remembered all of the rachni oily shadows dialogue. I am so paranoid right now!Jessica Merizan: perhaps for good reason? ''
I think i remember someone saying when you 'get up' after being blasted by harbinger and walk towards the beam you see a forest when you look back. I need to check this for myself.

Yes you are not fully indoctrinated....however if you choose control and synthesis you are overcome by the indoctrination and do not get up. Hence why the destroy reaper decision is the only ending where you see your body breath (if you have high EMS)

[Drake-Shepard]

brfritos wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

I can't believe people are saying the ''alternative'' theory is made up...it makes the most sense and fills in every single plot hole

I think the problem goes more deeper than that.
OK, I didn't liked the end too, is full of plot holes and basically it makes no sense at all.
But forget that.

The real problem and I think we should start to focus on that when talking about the end is that ANY choice you've maded in previous games or will make in ME3 matters.

For example, it doesn't matter if the crew and/or squad mates of ME2 survived, if some race goes extinct, if you solve or not the Quarian/Geth war, if you save or not someone, none of this matters or influence the outcome.
You will always get the same fate for Shepard, the decision to destroy, control or sintesis don't make a slightest difference apart one crew member surviving or not and the galaxy is always destroyed (remember Arrival, people).

This is far worse than the other problems, because the replay value of ME3 is 0.

yes this is annoying. Unless the end continues in a dlc. Casey hudson did say there is no A,B,C ending so i am assuming the indoc theory is correct and it will continue. I will wait a month before i accuse him of telling me a direct lie.