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[Drake-Shepard]

SPHYNX118

It depends when they release the dlc, if its april/early may then they have not borrow ideas and it was planned...as i expect/hope

if its june or later then its complete crap and I might not even get it,
I invested my time and money in a vision, not a story to satisfy the general community.

And to end a game with multiple ends like this is difficult....you either destroy the reapers or everyone dies. You already know if geth or quarian or both survived. If the genophage is cures and turians and salarians are on good terms with the krogan. All you will get is a lil summary. It is nice,, i would like it, but it won't break the game if i don't get it.

[RaenImrahl]

The problem with "Indoctrination Theory" (though I like the name, it sounds cool) is that it's not a theory. A theory is something that is testable. A theory makes predictions which can be verified by observation. It eliminates, or accounts for, false assumptions.

For example, consider this line of thought in the early 20th Century.

-- I am looking at the planet Venus through my telescope. I can't see the surface.
-- Why can't I see the surface? It is obscured by a thick layer of clouds.
-- What are clouds made of? Water.
-- So there's a lot of water on Venus. What does that mean?
-- It could mean there are vast oceans or swamps on the surface?
-- What do we find in vast oceans or swamps? Life. Lots of it.

Observation: I can't see anything on Venus. Conclusion: Life

Of course, once we later applied spectral analysis of the light reflected off Venus' clouds, we discovered there's very, very little water there. But lots of unfriendly sulfuric compounds.

The rather (long-winded) point is that there's really no evidence to extrapolate conclusions based on what we observed at the end of the game. All we can agree on, really, is that it wasn't enough. I have no insider knowledge, but I would guess (not theorize!) that the developers will address this in some way. "Indoctrination" may be an option. Other, story-based DLC that helps set up the ending(s) might be another. Adding a epilogue that moves away from the 2001-ish (film version) ending, something similar to the first Dragon Age, might also work.

[dw99027]

Refusing reality and substituting your own ... in real life this is a symptom for a certain condition ... guess what condition that is ...

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Finally, someone from Bioware (however far from the dev team) admits that the ending fell short. Kudos.

[Farbautisonn]

dw99027 wrote...

Refusing reality and substituting your own ... in real life this is a symptom for a certain condition ... guess what condition that is ...

-Christmas!

[Drake-Shepard]

hmmmm

i would say even if its called 'indoctrination theory'. It is not a theory.

The evidence was weighed and analysed and this is the explanation that makes sense and does not have plot holes like the literal interpretation.

i will use my favourite quote that i think makes me look clever

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

ps. if the indoctrination ''theory'' turns out to be incorrect and the explanation presented doesn't fill in all the massive plot holes (like why would your EMS effect the reaper killing explosion and destroy earth or not-random) I will 180 on my opinion and be bitterly disappointed

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 16 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[Luiginius]

Wau, someone on the payroll says that. Prepare for a really big manure storm when the dlc gets announced. Because i, really, really, doubt it will be free.

[RaenImrahl]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Finally, someone from Bioware (however far from the dev team) admits that the ending fell short. Kudos.

No, no.  I am just a gamer like you, who was asked to help moderate the forums.  I am neither an employee of Bioware nor EA.  I'm a college instructor and current grad student* who spent his spring break playing ME3.  No official admission here whatsoever! 

Moreover, I really have never had contact with the ME3 folks.  My usual stomping ground is the DA:O PC tech forum.

*EDIT:  Hence my rather pedantic rant on the nature of theories.... 

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 16 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Farbautisonn]

RaenImrahl wrote...

No, no.  I am just a gamer like you, who was asked to help moderate the forums.  I am neither an employee of Bioware nor EA.  I'm a college instructor and current grad student* who spent his spring break playing ME3.  No official admission here whatsoever! 

Moreover, I really have never had contact with the ME3 folks.  My usual stomping ground is the DA:O PC tech forum.

*EDIT:  Hence my rather pedantic rant on the nature of theories.... 

-LIES! Vicious LIES ! YOU wrote the ending... didnt you... DIDNT YOU? 

[Legion64]

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 16 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[dw99027]

Farbautisonn wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

Refusing reality and substituting your own ... in real life this is a symptom for a certain condition ... guess what condition that is ...

-Christmas!

Criteria met. Prep him for treatment.

[Linus108]

Hexi-decimal wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

I find these kind of reactions...to be bizarre.

"At first I hated the ending, now I'm in awe! I realize the brilliance that BioWare has done here, because it's a twist!"

Why would you be in "awe" based off a vast assumption. I get speculating. But some of you are 100% believing something is going to happen, and there is no guarantees.

Hope springs eternal I guess.  

I didn't mean to come off like a jerk. My apologies to anyone if I did. 

I guess I'm just skeptical. But I really do hope it's true. 

[bleachorange]

Jellyfish Opera wrote...

There is no "real" ending. The ending you received is the ONLY ending.

Oh! You must work for Bioware, I must have missed your username at the bottom of the page...not. Who are you to know anything? Either link an official Bioware statement, or be off with you.

I support the theory, but that doesn't make me less upset. I paid for a full game that 'answers my questions', not this hidden ending. Oh, yes, the way it's done is quite clever, but it should have immediately segued into the next act in order to be 'The Last Story About Shepard'. That's what I'm upset about, is the way it was handled. Delay the game for a couple of months. Surely you can figure out a few hours of content in 3-4 months? Possibly? Perhaps not. All I can say is Blizzard never pulled a stunt like this.

[TheNexus]

It hit me recently that he didn't die at the end.

And by him, I mean Marauder Shields.

DLC inc.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Finally, someone from Bioware (however far from the dev team) admits that the ending fell short. Kudos.

No, no.  I am just a gamer like you, who was asked to help moderate the forums.  I am neither an employee of Bioware nor EA.  I'm a college instructor and current grad student* who spent his spring break playing ME3.  No official admission here whatsoever! 

Moreover, I really have never had contact with the ME3 folks.  My usual stomping ground is the DA:O PC tech forum.

*EDIT:  Hence my rather pedantic rant on the nature of theories.... 

You're a moderator on Bioware's forum.. an official Bioware post (not anyone can just jump in and be mod)...

...Oh wait, I get it... //cough// gotcha man //cough//

[Mr. Gogeta34]

TheNexus wrote...

It hit me recently that he didn't die at the end.

And by him, I mean Marauder Shields.

DLC inc.

Marauder Shields has been trying to stop you the whole game... he just made his last stand at the end.

[IST]

Farbautisonn wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

No, no.  I am just a gamer like you, who was asked to help moderate the forums.  I am neither an employee of Bioware nor EA.  I'm a college instructor and current grad student* who spent his spring break playing ME3.  No official admission here whatsoever! 

Moreover, I really have never had contact with the ME3 folks.  My usual stomping ground is the DA:O PC tech forum.

*EDIT:  Hence my rather pedantic rant on the nature of theories.... 

-LIES! Vicious LIES ! YOU wrote the ending... didnt you... DIDNT YOU? 

The Hivemind has been flogging BW with vigor over the last few days.. The Indoctrination Inquisition will answer the dungeon masters questions.. let's hope it's free DLC however, that is my only concern.

BW could be seen as storyline saviours, rising on the 3rd day,
or
Cruel pimps, demanding more cash before their 'working girl' will finish you off.. a service you thought was paid in full..

[byzantine horse]

DEMIKLY wrote...The Indoctrination Inquisition

I just HAVE to do this:

Nobody expects the post-release ****storm.

Too good to pass up on.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 16 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Sdrol117]

You're all idiots lol. Even if the indoctrination theory is correct (the only way this horribly put together ending makes any sense), there are still huge gaping plotholes.

[Verlidiane]

bleachorange wrote...

Jellyfish Opera wrote...

There is no "real" ending. The ending you received is the ONLY ending.

Oh! You must work for Bioware, I must have missed your username at the bottom of the page...not. Who are you to know anything? Either link an official Bioware statement, or be off with you.

I support the theory, but that doesn't make me less upset. I paid for a full game that 'answers my questions', not this hidden ending. Oh, yes, the way it's done is quite clever, but ... Delay the game for a couple of months. Surely you [BioWare] can figure out a few hours of content in 3-4 months?...

I agree. I wish BioWare had delayed the release of the game if they truly felt they needed to make changes to the ending (because of the pre-release leak?). I'd rather have waited for the whole game rather than have to wait for the ending. I'd be way less disapointed in BioWare that's for sure. If they planned to stir up attention to make an experimental point...brilliant, but I think it backfired and if Jellyfish is right (Heaven, forbide) and there isn't a real ending in the works, well then thats just sad.

[Jellyfish Opera]

While nobody will get the ending they desire and you'll hate me for saying this:

Just make up your own ending.

That's about as close to the real ending as you will receive.

There will be no DLC with a "real" ending, nobody is going to "fix" anything. What you watched and got is what you got. You're only option is to be creative, unfortunately. Sorry, you may not want to believe it, but it is what it is.

[IST]

Have you actually got eyes.

[SharlenaSharlena]

Thetri wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Awakening. A new expansion pack where you play as the Orlesian Shepard of the Spectres.

I LOL'ed so loud I got the mean girl side eye from my boss....

[The Executioner]

I think it's fairly obvious at this point a new ending will be forthcoming , but it had better be next to nothing in terms of cost like 2.00 $ enough to cover expenses or part of a much larger DLC for at max 9.99.

[SharlenaSharlena]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Finally, someone from Bioware (however far from the dev team) admits that the ending fell short. Kudos.

No, no.  I am just a gamer like you, who was asked to help moderate the forums.  I am neither an employee of Bioware nor EA.  I'm a college instructor and current grad student* who spent his spring break playing ME3.  No official admission here whatsoever! 

Moreover, I really have never had contact with the ME3 folks.  My usual stomping ground is the DA:O PC tech forum.

*EDIT:  Hence my rather pedantic rant on the nature of theories.... 

Uh ohhhhhh you should have stayed in your hidey hole! Now your gonna get bombarded with questions!