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[RaenImrahl]

Sorry... no spoilers allowed in this part of the forum. @I TV Casualty I... I saved your text. I can PM it to you, if you'd like to put it in a blog and then link it (with warnings) to this thread.

Thanks.

[I TV Casualty I]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

What makes the husk eye thing potentially moot is the fact that he's merging with Reaper tech... the eyes are from implants/technology. Indoctrination doesn't require that.

The fact that he's merging with Reaper tech doesn't set off huge red flags to you?

Given their actions in the past, I see no reason that this would now be OK.

[Biower Pls]

Garrus: Raise your hand if you've never been killed before.

*Shepard and the Mass Effect franchise just stand there*

[IST]

Verlidiane wrote...

Shayuri wrote...

Jellyfish Opera wrote...

There will be no DLC with a "real" ending, nobody is going to "fix" anything. What you watched and got is what you got. You're only option is to be creative, unfortunately. Sorry, you may not want to believe it, but it is what it is.

There's no more evidence to support this than there is to support the "There's More Coming" notion.

In other words, no real evidence on anyone's side. It's like arguing over whether or not God exists. Some of us, myself included, look at what's in the game, and what various Bioware people have said, and infer the existence of an Aftergame (or more accurately, that the game hasn't ended yet and more is on the way). Others do not.

The crucial difference of course is that with ME3, we know there is a creator involved. Said creator(s) is not especially communicative, making the interpretation of its intentions difficult...but we know there is one. So when I look at the 'end'game cinematics, I know that someone designed them, someone planned them and someone made them...and someone had a final say in whether or not it made it to the final cut. This gives me a confidence in making inferences based on its contents that I do not feel when asked to make inferences about the real universe.

But inferences don't constitute evidence, and it's unfair to expect anyone to prove more content is NOT coming. So I don't expect to convert anyone who is really resolute.

My decision to believe more content is coming is based more on instinct, and a general belief that no team that got all of ME3 done like that would ever let an ending like that rest. All the other stuff I use to justify my belief is pretty much just window dressing.

I tend to think, on the flipside, that people who refuse to acknowledge the possibility of additional content may be letting their disappointment and anger cloud their judgement. Clearly it IS a possibility, if nowhere near a certainty.

Well put.

Dead on regarding instinct.  All the pieces of the seemingly broken puzzle come together with IT (Indoc Theory), and it just feels right.  The devs have made a lot of comments nudging toward the single player content also, which obviously would bomb if the ending was not addressed first, not to mention being hard to impliment in the conclusions current form/path.
There's no proof either way, but I would put the bank on IT being the definate direction going forward.. 

[kidbd15]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

Took me an hour or so to realise what was what, but when when it hit me... I clapped.

Looking forward to it.. and I must say - the deliberate outcry provication was extremely well played, risky.. but well played.

Rage/Internet Tsunami will prove a brilliant catalyst for the Awakening.

I should go.

YEP! 
Exactly same thing with me....

First thought it was ok

Then i realised there were ridiculous plot flaws and was livid

Then i realised what happened and some people online had already figured it out.

I am in AWE

I can't believe people are saying the ''alternative'' theory is made up...it makes the most sense and fills in every single plot hole

EXACTLY my emotional ride after finishing Mass Effect.... I am in awe.... AWAKEN!

[Drake-Shepard]

woohoo another one!

welcome to the real world (morpheus , matrix)

 

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 17 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[sparkyo42]

So the basic result of this thread is that the conclusion of the trilogy isn't really the conclusion and €80 wasn't enough for us to get it.

For the first time since Mass Effect came to PC all the games have been deleted and the CE thrown in the cupboard. Screw this Crap.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 17 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[XqctaX]

Sorry guys but there is only one big problem with the hole
"it was planned so they could release us a better ending"

Why se below!

in sweden/norway the newspapers are starting to report that "the MAJORETY of the fans are furious over the ending" and players finishing the game totally disagree with the good reviews it got AS A FACT!.

Journalist also checked with "Gamestop" in norway that has gotten exactly that same feedback.
players hated it, and are activly complaining and returning their copies of it.

PR-wise bioware seems to be digging there own grave. people are returning the games allready
and i dont see how bioware could plan this without taking these events into consederation and then comming to the conclution that they would loose more than they would win.
alot of people wont even have there Copy of ME3 anymore when the "DLC ending" would be released cus they allready returned it in anger.

thinking this was a planned stunt is something i would like to. but it just isnt a risk any company would take, atleast in my logic rofl

[OdanUrr]

XqctaX wrote...

thinking this was a planned stunt is something i would like to. but it just isnt a risk any company would take, atleast in my logic rofl

I should think by anyone's logic.

[IST]

OdanUrr wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

thinking this was a planned stunt is something i would like to. but it just isnt a risk any company would take, atleast in my logic rofl

I should think by anyone's logic.

It's more logical than any of the current endings... and BW are risk takers - look at TOR. 

Modifié par DEMIKLY, 17 mars 2012 - 01:22 .

[OdanUrr]

DEMIKLY wrote...

It's more logical than any of the current endings... and BW are risk takers - look at TOR. 

I'm sorry but if you need a DLC to explain an ending then there's something wrong with it.

PS: Do not even mention TOR to me. After what they did to Revan and the Exile...

[Drake-Shepard]

your probably right.

If bioware made things too simple they are accused of betraying fans and appealing to COD
If they make things to complicated or something unique then they are accused of taking stupid risks and 'no way can this be planned'.

I am impressed by the ending...but if there isn't an actual plan to bring full closure I will change my mind.

Then again one could say the ending is the entire game, you find out what happens to the races geth quarian , krogan, turian...their alliances. Do we really need a cutscene at the end showing him wake up (indoc theory), go up into the beam and press the button to activate the weapon and kill every reaper.?!
actually no, i want that!

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 17 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[XqctaX]

DEMIKLY wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

thinking this was a planned stunt is something i would like to. but it just isnt a risk any company would take, atleast in my logic rofl

I should think by anyone's logic.

It's more logical than any of the current endings... and BW are risk takers - look at TOR. 

its not logical from a buissness point of view, i would speculate that its only logical for you
becouse of something called "wishfull thinking" and i say that without meening to insult you in anyway.
i sinsearly hope im wrong and your right to be truthfully honest. 0px; ent="noindex

[galaxy366]

DAFUQ man?

[DetcelferVisionary]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

woohoo another one!

welcome to the real world (morpheus , matrix)

 

Pretty good vid - only thing he left out is the fact that the left and middle options leaves Shepard with the indoctrinated eyes but mysteriously not the right.   Look close,  its painfully obvious.  The eye theory alone proves his point.

[Kilshrek]

Thetri wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Awakening. A new expansion pack where you play as the Orlesian Shepard of the Spectres.

Bang on!

[Rusty0918]

I still believe the Indoctrination theory is quite compelling. I'm now 90% sure of it once again. At least I hope I'm right about this. It all makes sense.

[Drake-Shepard]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

woohoo another one!

welcome to the real world (morpheus , matrix)

 

Pretty good vid - only thing he left out is the fact that the left and middle options leaves Shepard with the indoctrinated eyes but mysteriously not the right.   Look close,  its painfully obvious.  The eye theory alone proves his point.

He was pretty thorough but did miss out on quite a few points. Lots of commenters have posted these under his vid and discussed them. He is now making a new video with all points and will release this weekend.

includes...how and why EMS changes the destroy reaper explosion
and
rachni queen going on about 'oily, shadow dreams' that tricked her and/or her children. sound familiar??!

etc etc

[Planeforger]

OdanUrr wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

It's more logical than any of the current endings... and BW are risk takers - look at TOR. 

I'm sorry but if you need a DLC to explain an ending then there's something wrong with it.

PS: Do not even mention TOR to me. After what they did to Revan and the Exile...

Ahh, but don't you see how clever Bioware is?!

They didn't do anything to Revan and the Exile - anything we think we saw/read was just a hallucination! They've been planning the real follow-up to their storyline in the first expansion, which will be released for free next week.

It's actually kind of funny, really. For a while there people just thought it was shoddy writing or Bioware being lazy, but it turns out that getting hugely negative fan feedback was the plan all along!

Modifié par Planeforger, 17 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Drake-Shepard]

most of the indoc theory believers say the end is genius because they believe an ending dlc is coming to give us closure.

I mean it was promised to us, wasn;t it?

If however this is the true end (still beleive the indoc theory is correct interpretation) then it simply a brilliantly executed COP-OUT. and i won't come on this forum again i will just deactivate everything

edit.

Casey hudson's last statement was so cryptic I am now 50/50

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 17 mars 2012 - 10:28 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Deus Ex Machina = God from the machine. It's like Bioware played on the words on purpose.

[IST]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

most of the indoc theory believers say the end is genius because they believe an ending dlc is coming to give us closure.

I mean it was promised to us, wasn;t it?

If however this is the true end (still beleive the indoc theory is correct interpretation) then it simply a brilliantly executed COP-OUT. and i won't come on this forum again i will just deactivate everything

edit.

Casey hudson's last statement was so cryptic I am now 50/50

I'm still 100% - Even based on the fact that there is definately DLC coming for singleplayer, and if it's not Ending DLC then the Hivemind will literally explode supernova, destroying the interweb and rendering our electronics dead by proxy.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Isn't it sad that the ending was bad to the point that people have to create theories of it all being in Shepards head? And even that was what they were planning somehow I would think it would be worse seeing as how it'd mean it was meaningless as just something all in his head and not putting it in the full game if they did indeed plan it is just stupid. But I doubt this was all just some plan of theirs.

[IST]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Isn't it sad that the ending was bad to the point that people have to create theories of it all being in Shepards head? And even that was what they were planning somehow I would think it would be worse seeing as how it'd mean it was meaningless as just something all in his head and not putting it in the full game if they did indeed plan it is just stupid. But I doubt this was all just some plan of theirs.

Have you actually played the end?


Not dissing you mate, but it's pretty obvious... To ignore the multitude of evidence and the fact single player DLC is coming is a sadder state of mind in my opinion..

Indoc Theory fills all the holes left, is hinted at/proved by the final scene of the good ending and is far better to run with than the current indoctrinated tales woven by Harbingers PR department.

People don't give Bioware enough credit, they are better than that. 

Modifié par DEMIKLY, 17 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[ZaroktheImmortal]

DEMIKLY wrote...

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Isn't it sad that the ending was bad to the point that people have to create theories of it all being in Shepards head? And even that was what they were planning somehow I would think it would be worse seeing as how it'd mean it was meaningless as just something all in his head and not putting it in the full game if they did indeed plan it is just stupid. But I doubt this was all just some plan of theirs.

Have you actually played the end?


Not dissing you mate, but it's pretty obvious... To ignore the multitude of evidence and the fact single player DLC is coming is a sadder state of mind in my opinion..

Indoc Theory fills all the holes left, is hinted at/proved by the final scene of the good ending and is far better to run with than the current indoctrinated tales woven by Harbingers PR department.

People don't give Bioware enough credit, they are better than that. 

I have played the ending and I can't see it as anything other than speculation. I mean yes there are plot holes, but that doesn't mean they did those on purpose. It seems more likely to be lazy writing than some big plan they had. And again if this was some plan of theirs then that's rather stupid. I mean if they really made the ending as some indoctrination which would make the entire ending pointless and expect people to buy their DLC to see the 'true ending'. Hell, even if they gave it away for free it would still mean that they're giving us a fake ending and expecting us to wait and download new content to see the 'true ending'.