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[Scalpels]

johhnytrash wrote...
Has anyone seen this one yet? It's my favorite:
*quarian snip*
 

I have! It is incredible.

Dr_Hello wrote...

InfiniteDemise wrote...
Don't give a damn that they modified a stock photo. The poor job they did with it is the issue.
So glad they bothered to actually count fingers, I guess. "One, two, three! Job done!"

*stock photoshop snip*
To add injury to the insult (insult being the cheap use of stock photo, showing either a lack of imagination or laziness on BioWare's part), it's such a bad photoshop retouching job. They simply erase half of the model's hand to leave 3 finders. It's comical. See image above.

I think I prefer the fan version of the photoshopped image.

[MrLee95]

Wait what? Tali kills herself??!?!?

[DemonsSouls]

I loved the photo when I first saw it...

Still do.

I don't care where it came from because that has no bearing on the game itself. It matches the character of Tali perfectly and that's all that matters to me. Who's to say Bioware didn't go through a hundred models, pictures, and artist concepts before deciding this was best for the character?

When something works, go with it.


EDIT-  THAT'S awesome! Bioware definitely could have spent more time on the hand.

Modifié par DemonsSouls, 28 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[InfiniteDemise]

Scalpels wrote...

I think I prefer the fan version of the photoshopped image.

Perfect. If only they'd put this effort into the pic, there wouldn't be the hate for it.

Modifié par InfiniteDemise, 28 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Scalpels]

MrLee95 wrote...
Wait what? Tali kills herself??!?!?

Only if you side with the Geth AND do not have enough reputation AND make certain decisions AND take certain missions first.

The result of some decisions is that the quarians are eliminated by the Geth. Tali sees her entire species eradicated in moments. It's too much for her...

That will never happen on my play throughs.

InfiniteDemise wrote...
Perfect. If only they'd put this effort into the pic, there wouldn't be the hate for it.

I wouldn't say that the hate would disappear entirely. I mean; I still want a fully rendered face, body and Liara style romance scene. I went into ME2 and 3 expecting something like that.

Modifié par Scalpels, 28 mars 2012 - 05:31 .

[InfiniteDemise]

DemonsSouls wrote...

I loved the photo when I first saw it...

Still do.

I don't care where it came from because that has no bearing on the game itself. It matches the character of Tali perfectly and that's all that matters to me. Who's to say Bioware didn't go through a hundred models, pictures, and artist concepts before deciding this was best for the character?

When something works, go with it.


EDIT-  THAT'S awesome! Bioware definitely could have spent more time on the hand.

Um. The fact that someone on deviantart fixed this to make it look actually appropriate should tell you that Bioware did not do enough work on this small, but important detail.

[Beliyaal]

InfiniteDemise wrote...

Perfect. If only they'd put this effort into the pic, there wouldn't be the hate for it.

Hey now. I'd still hate it. 

The whole point of doing sci-fi in a CG medium is to get away from Trek-style "humans with weird foreheads" aliens.

[DemonsSouls]

InfiniteDemise wrote...

DemonsSouls wrote...

I loved the photo when I first saw it...

Still do.

I don't care where it came from because that has no bearing on the game itself. It matches the character of Tali perfectly and that's all that matters to me. Who's to say Bioware didn't go through a hundred models, pictures, and artist concepts before deciding this was best for the character?

When something works, go with it.


EDIT-  THAT'S awesome! Bioware definitely could have spent more time on the hand.

Um. The fact that someone on deviantart fixed this to make it look actually appropriate should tell you that Bioware did not do enough work on this small, but important detail.

I never said it was perfect. But the simple fact that it was originally a stock photo should have no bearing on how you feel about the picture in the game. If no one ever learned where the photo came from there would be a lot less complaining going on. I bet if people knew where a lot of the stuff came from in their favorite games they feel like the developer was being lazy. I was trying to point out that just because Bioware settled on a stock photo doesn't mean they didn't explore a lot of other options.

Yes, they could have spent more time altering the photo... but I'm just not the type of person who scoffs at every little detail. At a glance, the photo looks nice and it fits the character well. I completely understand why people are upset that some of the details are off, and I wouldn't mind if Bioware patched in a nicer edit of the photo... but I simply don't think it's as big of a deal as a lot of people here.

Modifié par DemonsSouls, 28 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Scalpels]

DemonsSouls wrote...
I never said it was perfect. But the simple fact that it was originally a stock photo should have no bearing on how you feel about the picture in the game. If no one ever learned where the photo came from there would be a lot less complaining going on. I bet if people knew where a lot of the stuff came from in their favorite games they feel like the developer was being lazy. I was trying to point out that just because Bioware settled on a stock photo doesn't mean they didn't explore a lot of other options.

Yes, they could have spent more time altering the photo... but I'm just not the type of person who scoffs at every little detail. At a glance, the photo looks nice and it fits the character well. I completely understand why people are upset that some of the details are off, and I wouldn't mind if Bioware patched in a nicer edit of the photo... but I simply don't think it's as big of a deal as a lot of people here.

Overall I think you may have the right of it; however I do have a few nits to pick.

I do think the origin remaining a mystery would reduce the complaints, but I don't think it would reduce them very significantly. The origin only adds gas to the fire.

At a glance the photo does look nice, but lots of people (myself included) gave it far more than a glance. Fan artists certainly gave it a very critical once over so they could accurately draw Tali and other quarians. I don't think Bioware should have stopped with something that looks good at a glance.

I partially disagree that the face fits the character. She strikes me as more cute than gorgeous... and the picture is of a very pretty model. She isn't cute. She's smoking! That being said, just because she is beautiful doesn't mean she can't be cute. This is why I am still okay with the overall look.

I think Bioware would have done a lot to quell complaints if they gave her a full face rendering. Then used that render for that picture. Then used her face render in the romance scene. It is more work, but it fits the context they have established in ME2 and 3.

Pictures of Liara/Ashley/Kaiden in ME2 were made using in-game renders. The photoshop breaks from this. If they had rendered her face instead of photoshopped it there would still be complaints about her being "too human" but I don't think it would spawn nearly as many threads.

[Fenrisfil]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

 I certainly would have liked it more. It actually looks really nice. But the fact that this is just a photoshop from google makes me cringe.

Well, she looks good in the picture, but the glare makes it hard to see, the fingers are wrong, you get little time to see and really she deserved a proper 3d model seeing as she's one of the most popular characters in the game. So I would have liked it more yes, but I would still have been annoyed by the lack of effort.

[Keiran Solaris]

Personally don't like the hair, doesn't really make sense in the context of the suit. Also it was a bad photoshop job and could have been done better. Especially the hand, just looks deformed.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it...but why not do a face scan on Liz Sroka and then alien her up? It seems to me the perfect solution. Especially considering Tali is probably the most popular character, after Shepard, I feel Bioware could have spent just a little more time and effort on making her something special, ya know?

However let us not forget...let downs aplenty with ME3.

[Scalpels]

Keiran Solaris wrote...

Personally don't like the hair, doesn't really make sense in the context of the suit. Also it was a bad photoshop job and could have been done better. Especially the hand, just looks deformed.

Having built a quarian helmet. Long hair is manageable. That is without using high technology.

Short hair would have still been easier overall. And quarians do get out of the suit and into a clean room now and again so they could maintain it... unless the suit does that for them.

[Reorte]

I think even if the picture had been a completely original creation I'd have still been a bit dissapointed. It would've been wonderful to have talked to Tali with her mask off on Rannoch if you've romanced her, and that was what I was hoping for. Too human looking is a bit of a dissapointment too, I'd have been happy with the alien look posted earlier (which is still essentially modified human in any case).

[Corrik Ronis]

The issue is the low quality of the work, not that it has a stock base.

Hold the line.

[ed87]

I didnt like the reveal and i had no idea it was a copy. I think the Quarians should look less human

[The Smitchens]

Darthlawsuit wrote...

I think one of the reasons I have such a hard time picturing that as Tali is because the suit is completely different.  It doesn't resemble any quarian's suit remotely, let alone Tali's more unique suit.  It's very well done, but if someone hadn't told me it was an interpretation of Tali I would have never guessed.

The other one floating around of her with just the visor taken off looks way more believable if only because the suit is there and flat out says "this is Tali.  Who else else could it be?"

[Tank207]

I don't mind that it was a photoshoped picture, what gets me is that the big face reveal is just a lousy picture. They should have shown her face in-game, if at all. I had a feeling this was how it was going to turn out when BioWare left it to a fan vote.

Modifié par Tank207, 28 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Omega Torsk]

Scalpels wrote...

I think I prefer the fan version of the photoshopped image.

See, if Bioware would've put this kind of effort into it, then I would have no problem with the "canon" image. Still would wish for more "diverse" (ie: non-human) elements in her appearance, but if it was obvious that they cared enough, then I would be okay with how it turned out. Unfortunately, BW's photoshop job is just embarrasing. The gap between digits on her hand contradicts her in-game model and you can see the third knuckle from where they cut the last two fingers off, for crying out loud! >_>

[Messier87]

It's already been established that quarians share the closest resemblance to humans out of all the galaxy's species. Read Mass Effect: Ascension, or a wiki article describing quarian physiology. Not understanding why some people are criticizing the image for looking too human. In my opinion, the structure of her nose and the positioning of her eyes (not to mention the bioluminescent irises) provide subtle differentiation. 

Regarding the hair, why not? Sure, it would be inconvenient for her. So let's just assume Tali is stubborn, likes her hair long, and ties it up in a pony tail when she's wearing her helmet.

I discovered that Tali's photo was based of a stock image after seeing it advertised all over these forums. My opinion still stands, I like the way she looks. However, I would have preferred to see her face modeled in-game (Rannoch, love scene, etc).

Modifié par Messier87, 28 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[xefiroEA]

An in-game explanation could be that Quarians in general are used to using fake pictures in social sites (since until they are very close, no one sees their faces anyway). So Tali slipped up and sent him a shopped picture of a pretty woman that looked close enough to her. Shepard has seen her face, but he only sees it for a few minutes every long while, so it's not like he'll notice the difference.

[Welsh Inferno]

Scalpels wrote...

I think I prefer the fan version of the photoshopped image.

Still hate it. Tali is not a human supermodel. I actually think the hand bugs me the most just cause it is blatantly frikkin human. Unless BioWare actual makes an in game model of a Quarian. Tali, nor the Quarians look like this. No I refuse this lazy photoshops existance.

*Waits for incoming posts of "but teh quarians are closest resemblance to hoomanteh.*

Thane/Drell resemble Humans. Asari resemble humans. That IS human. Being the closest looking to humans doesn't mean they need to look exactly a like for god sake.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 28 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[lillitheris]

Messier87 wrote...

It's already been established that quarians share the closest resemblance to humans out of all the galaxy's species.

Closest ≠ close. (Necessarily.)

[moater boat]

No, she looks entirely too human, Grunt mentioned that Humans and Asari are "soft" but Turians and Quarians "not so much" I think she should have had skin closer to Turians and a very skinny face.

[comrade gando]

She diesnt look too human.

She IS A HUMAN in this picture. Talk about uncanny valley since she has 3 fingers and 3 toes, honestly I think her looking anything close to human is just creepy.

As to that 3D portrait Ive been seeing floating around, that is 100% acceptable for her appearance.