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[DemGeth]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

This is the height of stupidity.

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[Memengwa]

Filing a concumer complaint isn't legal action. It's not going to a court. It's doing exactly what we are doing, but doing it through the right channels.

Personly I'd wait for the company (as in BioWare and EA) to act to our complaints first. And if they don't then you go and make a consumer complaint. (As in with the shoes I mensioned - if the store doesn't refund me, it's when you make the complaint like this).

[SlvrNight]

RLesueur wrote...

I want the endings changed as much as anyone, but if this turns into whiney lawsuits against Bioware and personal attacks on the developers then I am out.

I agree. I don't exactly see this as the right way to go about this...

[Persephone]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

And this thread is more proof as to why I think the online portion of the fanbase is a joke. It perfectly illustrates the entitlement issues that it has.

Exactly.

Say "We only want a proper ending" blabla etc. all you like...but: Review trolling (And being DUMB enough to admit to it on the effin' BSN), breaking the COC & Site Rules, harassment, threats, wanting people to get fired and even killed....it's that "cause" that's tainted, more than any ending of ME3 ever was.

[Memengwa]

Again people, FTC complaint isn't a lawsuit!

[Dark Penitant]

Legally, and I study some law myself, you don't have a case. Not under Federal law, at any rate, and honestly I think this is a bad move. A better option would be to merely focus your efforts on the charity, and try and create a dialog.

[Synonamess]

Legal action!? Bold move sir...Bold move. I like your moxie. Nothing is going to come of it,though. In the mean time, I'll just hold the line.

[SeiLah]

I think by ending they meant the 3rd game. Most decisions you make change something on the third game. And it's the game that ends a trilogy.
They never said that every decision will directly change the last 5 minutes of the game.

[omgBAMF]

Ignorant ppl on the forum....
Complaint =/= lawsuit

Welcome to first-world rights, everybody. IDK about wherever you may live, but people are free to voice any praise or grievance they wish to whoever they wish here in the USA. We have rights for a reason... if you don't want to use them, fine, but don't belittle someone else because they choose to legitimately voice there opinions/cocnerns.

How many people here even know what F.T.C. stands for? Not many I imagine.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 16 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Palladin123]

Seriously? I'm disappointed over the endings as well, but filing legal complaints is going too far. The only thing this is going to do is give support to those out there who're trying to paint all of us as a bunch of sci-fi fanatics who're getting upset over nothing. And let's not waste the time of government agencies with stuff like this. There're far more serious and critical matters that they've to deal with than an illogical game ending.

[DemGeth]

It doesn't really matter since almost no-one on here seems to know what kind of complaints would actually get looked at by either agency.....


But damn we are one step closer to the emotional distress lawsuit that I am eagerly anticipating for the lols.

[Sywen]

Memengwa wrote...

Again people, FTC complaint isn't a lawsuit!

Its a complaint...not a lawsuit.  Most likely nothing will come of it.

[Bob5312]

I respect your right to do this but I don't think it's the best way to handle the situation. This isn't a case of a mechanically broken game or a game that simply doesn't exist. It's a game whose ending, a creative choice by the developers, you don't like. Nobody will EVER call an unsatisfactory ending to a creative work "fraud" in the legal sense, no matter what promises were or were not made.

Frankly, I believe that running to the government to solve your problems over something like this is absurd. And that by doing so you cheapen the movement that people are trying to start and irresponsibly jeapardize both the integrity of the complaints process and the likelihood that future complaints against actually broken games will succeed.

But this is just my opinion, and you have every right to do as you see fit.

[wook77]

This is a monumentally bad idea.

[pharsti]

Its still his right as a consumer... if it works or not doesnt really matter here.

He as a consumer feels he should do this, and he is free to do so, just like you all are free to wait for a BW statement.
I for one wont be doing anything of the sort because honestly?

Its not worth the hassle (note, it would be worth the hassle, if i was in my home country, i am not), ME as it stands, after being basically crushed with ME3 ending is not worth the hassle of me doing more about it than staying here looking at people grab at straws and hope for the best....
That and.... well, i never even felt a need to activate my forum account until i got this fiasco of an ending, and after coming here and seeing how this community managed to handle that is truly admiring, even if i think its hopeless and that in the end you will all be ignored.... superb community and ill stay here for awhile longer before giving my farewell to BW just due to that.


I do think you should have gone after BW thou.

[teknoarcanist]

I'm mostly concerned about the blowback this is going to have. If the whole point is the message/dialogue/communication/PR battle, then the effect of this -- inevitable snarky articles going "disgruntled gamers file suit" -- is going to vastly outstrip any benefits.

They already KNOW we hate the endings. They already KNOW we're dissatisfied and a great many of us are going to return our games.

What does this accomplish?

[Kilshrek]

TommyServo wrote...

If it is, in fact, free DLC though, the people who are complaining about this don't really have a leg to stand on. DLC is a reality of gaming these days - I don't think there's anything to be done about that in the short term. Free DLC should be applauded.

As I said, the online pass serves the same purpose as Cerberus Network, so that's probably how it will be delivered. If this DLC is free, then the price of a new game covered that. That's not them breaking any promises - and if this is a sizeable update, then it's a good move. Promise kept.

People with no internet connections? That kind of sucks, but I wouldn't blame them for not taking them into the equation. People who buy the game used? Ditto. I'm a-ok with day one DLC that's free to new buyers.

Think about it this way. They released a game that is, by all accounts, even the trolls on metacritic, excellent 98% of the time. Then, a couple of months later, they release a big update that expands the story even further. And they don't charge for it.

Suppose this is how it pans out. Does anyone seriously have a problem with this?

I always argue that the game should be complete, up to the story, as the game ships on disc. The ending as it is now provides zero resolution to Shepard's story. What really happened? What happened to the galaxy? The relays blew up, or did they? Why was bloody Joker and the Normandy riding some mass relay wave? The final chapter of a great story, one that promises answers to questions shouldn't provide one answer and 20 questions. Anyway if you picked the destroy ending, Shepard may live, what then?

Providing us with one little scene where a old gent tells his grandkid that this all happened so long ago doesn't really cut it.

Assuming the DLC does come, and it provides resolution to the story, free or not, it will be seen as damage mitigation, and less as The Plan. Though I'm not entirely sure I will believe a free DLC for all ME users, since this is EA we're talking about. Also the people who bought the game used? They still bought a full game, unless this was EA's cunning plan all along, in which case I really don't know what to say about it.

Also the problem with the whole thing is, the way it ended I wouldn't blame a single person for deleting ME 3 right after finishing it, or even getting rid of the saves. Waiting another 2-3 months for the resolution to the story that we were promised 2-3 months before? How is that sensible?

[TheOptimist]

Oh lord.  Look folks, stuff like this is just gonna make Bioware dig in their heels.  This is NOT going to help us get what we want.

Modifié par TheOptimist, 16 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Luiginius]

Not a citizen of the states. What power does ftc have?

[HWM BlacKnight]

This isn't the right way to go about things and it's far too extreme. Like others have said videogames are considered an art from so this isn't going to work as for some people the ending did deliver.

For me personally I wasn't happy with it but I'm not going to rage about it and do steps like this.

[Memengwa]

FTC complaint is what you do, for example, when you were sold a product that was lacking. Like a pair of shoes that go broke after 3 weeks of wearing. You go to the store to get a refund, and they show you the door.

so you file an FTC complaint against the store. That's different from a law-suit. You dont' go to court. But they do look at the company, and at what happened.

Modifié par Memengwa, 16 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[OneRabidAnt]

This really isn't the way to get positive feedback. If you MUST do it though, I would urge you to at least wait until Bioware makes an official statement regarding this whole thing.

[Zenoctilles]

FTC? Listen to the likes of you?

This complaint is just to going fly over their heads. They receive hundreds of complaints daily, and beleaguered government staffers aren't going to care what you think about a video game.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Nice... F*cking beautiful...

We just lost any kind of moral integrity with this kind of behaviour and demonstrated to the whole world that we are indeed just spoiled brats who don't deserve better...
The only hope for the endings is now the very slim chance that BioWare might have intentionally planned this and is going to release them anyway...

The movement ist officially dead now, I am leaving the line for good!

Modifié par Apfelweinbrauer, 16 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Prumand]

This is outragous. Not only could they be shut down if this does carry though, we would loose everyother game that Bioware hasn't developed yet. Yall are taking this way too far. What no ome gets, os that Bioware is listening, they know the unrest and disgrace of the fans. Its not like Bioware would put out crap like this and leave it. They are gonna change it, so just hang in there. Don't file a suit against the friggin company, it wont solve anything but gain you anfew Renegade and a horrible ending to the whole company.