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[Mr Fadedglory]

So, I'm going to do a playthru with a tanky dwarf noble warrior and then a duel wielding human noble.  i'm thinking that the tank should spend maybe 3 pts in STR, 1 in DEX and 1 in CON each level, and then for my dw dps warrior, go with 2 STR, 2DEX and 2WIL?

Is that a good way to go?  what is the difference between Willpower and Constitution?

Edit.... sorry, I wrote this in a hurry.  i meant to ask simply where to stick my starting points, then how to progress them?

Modifié par Mr Fadedglory, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:34 .

[Darth_Shizz]

How did you intend to get 6 attribute points per level?

[Inarai]

A static spread will serve you poorly.

[Darth_Shizz]

Mr Fadedglory wrote...

So, I'm going to do a playthru with a tanky dwarf noble warrior and then a duel wielding human noble.  i'm thinking that the tank should spend maybe 3 pts in STR, 1 in DEX and 1 in CON each level, and then for my dw dps warrior, go with 2 STR, 2DEX and 2WIL?

Is that a good way to go?  what is the difference between Willpower and Constitution?

Edit.... sorry, I wrote this in a hurry.  i meant to ask simply where to stick my starting points, then how to progress them?

Base stats are likely to be:

Tank (s&b i figure?): 38/42 STR, 26 DEX. After this, you may choose to put a few points into willpower, depending on your stamina needs, then you can either go the dexterity route, or the constitution route (I've heard good things about pumping defence on tanks, though whether or not you want to believe people is another matter). As a tip, you'll probably want to get to shield mastery/wall ASAP.

DW warrior: 34 STR, 36 DEX (if you want to wield two full-size weapons, otherwise, you could just go up to 26 for dual weapon expertise). After this, look to put some points into CON and WIL as needed, whilst pumping str.

[Tumedus]

I am firmly in the "con sucks" group of thinking. The only class I put any con into is a tank and even then not more than 20. For a tank when you have the prereqs out of the way I would get will to around 25 (less important if you are CC heavy and just use taunt) and the rest in dex. For the DW after prereqs go pretty much all strength and only add to will if you need more for sustainables and standard rotations.

[Kailieann]

If you're min-maxing, ignore both.



If you're not min-maxing, do whatever you want.

[DrekorSilverfang]

You prob won't need any of either of those. Get 16 cunning for 4 coercion, get 36 dex for your full DW talents then dump everything else in str. Willpower is nearly useless for a DW warrior as you really won't be using your activated abilities very much as they are actually a DPS reduction.



For your tank get your str up to 42(for T7 massive) and dump the rest in dex, it's much better to completely avoid getting hit than have a huge buffer which your healer won't have a chance of actually keeping filled.



Only time I think con is useful is for a BM

[JJM152]

Constitution and Willpower are terrible stats. Bioware really screwed the pooch on the attribute system with this game

[JJM152]

DrekorSilverfang wrote...
 Willpower is nearly useless for a DW warrior as you really won't be using your activated abilities very much as they are actually a DPS reduction.

Seriously  - you're not doing it right.

Don't use daggers as a DW warrior. Use something slow like Longswords, or even better Axes. Then your activated abilities will actually be very good because the animation time for the swings is static regardless of what weapon you are using, but since you are using slower axes with harder hits, you'll actually get a big improvement in damage.

I don't know if people have noticed but the "damage" stat on the character screen appears to be a normalized DPS based on the speed of the weapon. So even though a sword that swings at like 1.1 secs might appear to be the same damage as an axe that swings at 1.4 secs, the axe is actually doing harder individual hits... which is good for things like activated abilities that are on their own animation sequence and getting past enemy armor.

[rabidflyer]

How do I get my character to wield two swords rather than a sword and a dagger.

[rabidflyer]

Double post....

Modifié par rabidflyer, 29 novembre 2009 - 03:43 .

[Serenity84]

You need Dual Wield Mastery. Which is a tier 4 talent. So it takes a while.



And the only thing you need willpower for is if you use more activated talents. Since sword and shield for example has more passive and sustained that activated talents, you can do with less willpower than a dual wielder.

[RVallant]

Mr Fadedglory wrote...

So, I'm going to do a playthru with a tanky dwarf noble warrior and then a duel wielding human noble.  i'm thinking that the tank should spend maybe 3 pts in STR, 1 in DEX and 1 in CON each level, and then for my dw dps warrior, go with 2 STR, 2DEX and 2WIL?

Is that a good way to go?  what is the difference between Willpower and Constitution?

Edit.... sorry, I wrote this in a hurry.  i meant to ask simply where to stick my starting points, then how to progress them?

Tanking needs STR and DEX. 2 str for every 1 dex does well enough for me. Dex is needed for the shield talents, str for actually doing some form of damage. Once you bump them up enough I'd go WILL simply for the additional stamina, nothing worse than a warrior sitting in the doldrums with no talents available. I have three sustained abilites at once; Shield Wall, Threaten, Rally - which leaves me with no energy unless I pump will up a bit.

Con gets to be my dump stat, or boosted through items. At least with such an amount of armour and dodging capabilities you shouldn't be losing that much health per hit, personally never had trouble with health. >_>

[Serenity84]

Dexterity also increases your defense rating in general. It's far better than just constitution for staying alive. Better to not get his in the first place than absorbing damage. Not saying to not increase CON here and there, but don't rely on it.

[Yummyclaw]

The only warrior who should increase WIL or CON

WIL: Two Handed warrior who spam talents

CON: Dog or Shale are the on;y ones who should ever past 20 since they don't have requirements on items. And you have to be shooting for very high CON or it's a waste.

[rabidflyer]

I am going to restart my game I am going as a female warrior who uses a two handed sword so should I put all my points into str dex and willpower early on.Then put some into cunning.

[DragoonKain3]

Serenity and Kailien are right on the money.

DEX tank > CON tank. To the point that for a Shield tank, you only really need 26 STR (not DEX) to meet prereq for shield expertise, and put the rest into DEX for defense.


Also, using activated abilities with DW is terrible. You lose out on both the +43% dps of momentum, and +33% dps of dual striking, since neither applies to abilities.

Looking at my notes... a lvl 18 warrior would do... (if you guys want the actual math, I'll post it)

71.6 damage per hit with Veshialle
70.8 damage per hit with Starfang

Doing Punisher, which is 1 sec cast and roughly 2 sec time to finish animation, you would do...

71.6 + 71.6 damage = 143.2 Veshiale 
70.8 + 70.8 + 18.3 crit extra damage = 159.9 Starfang
303.1 damage for punisher / 3 seconds to finish it = 101.0 dps

On the otherhand, if you go momentum + dual striking,

dagger/dagger: 59.3 dps * (10/7 momentum speed bonus) * (4 attacks/3 strikes) dual striking = 112 dps
Axe/dagger: 54.8 dps * (10/7 momentum speed bonus) * (4 attacks/3 strikes) dual striking = 104 dps

Similar dps, but Punisher costs 50 stamina to activate while momentum takes only 3 stamina from its mana drain over 3 seconds? Yeah, so not worth it.


EDIT: Forgot crit damage only multiplies attribute + weapon damage, not every damage.

Modifié par DragoonKain3, 29 novembre 2009 - 04:41 .

[Forsakerr]

DragoonKain3 wrote...

Serenity and Kailien are right on the money.

DEX tank > CON tank. To the point that for a Shield tank, you only really need 26 STR (not DEX) to meet prereq for shield expertise, and put the rest into DEX for defense.

if you stay at 26 str you wont be able to use dragonbone weapons or armor , you need 31 if i remember right for weapons and 42 for armor (dragonskin) so do what you want i guess

[Kailieann]

You only need 34 STR for Wade's Superior Dragonskin Armor, actually. And if you're going for a pure blink tank, you don't really need anything better.

Of course, if you actually want to do damage, that's maybe a different story.

[GN-Lelldorianx]

I min-max, strength or nothing. I drop a couple of points in dex to unlock the lower-level skills if needed, but often strength is the only requirement. Items can be used oftentimes to make-up for lacking other abilities.

[Haplose]

rabidflyer wrote...

I am going to restart my game I am going as a female warrior who uses a two handed sword so should I put all my points into str dex and willpower early on.Then put some into cunning.

You don't raise Dex as a Two-handed warrior. Actually not using Dex for anything is one of the few reasons to ever got that way. You COULD raise it to increase defence, but that's taking away from your DPS. And it would have to be a serious investment to be worth it (so a large DPS loss).
Strenght is primary, Willpower can be nice if you plan on spamming special attacks.

Never raise Cuning on ANY character other then a Rogue. Free Fade bonuses from the Circle Tower quest are enough to raise Cun to 16, which is enough for max rank Coercion - all the Cun you will ever need.