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[ebevan91]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

ebevan91 wrote...

It was kinda annoying that Ashley questioned me after I mowed down like 30+ Cerberus troops.

Honestly, the citadel confrontation made sense whether people like it or not. Ashley/Kaidan were suppose to be the Council's bodyguard, and then Shep walks into the room when they were expecting Cerberus Troops who were attacking them to.

Honestly, I hated the way the Horizon encounter played out, but their reservations in this game (fear of TIM possibly brainwashing Shep) is actually kind of valid.

Well I meant on the Mars mission but yeah I see your point.

[PrinceLionheart]

ebevan91 wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

ebevan91 wrote...

It was kinda annoying that Ashley questioned me after I mowed down like 30+ Cerberus troops.

Honestly, the citadel confrontation made sense whether people like it or not. Ashley/Kaidan were suppose to be the Council's bodyguard, and then Shep walks into the room when they were expecting Cerberus Troops who were attacking them to.

Honestly, I hated the way the Horizon encounter played out, but their reservations in this game (fear of TIM possibly brainwashing Shep) is actually kind of valid.

Well I meant on the Mars mission but yeah I see your point.

I agree with you. The mars thing was grating. Ashley was my main romance but honestly I didn't find the pay off rewarding after having to climb over the mountain of distrust.

[Sarah1281]

Also, in Kaidan's case, he happens to outrank Shepard now so he is well within his rights to expect a few answers from him/her.

But...Kaidan never acts like he's your superior. Ever. And he takes all of his orders from you. The Spectre thing might make things different even if the Alliance ranking makes Kaidan higher.

[yoshibb]

Everyone from Cerberus is now working for the enemy. Shepard was rebuilt by Cerberus and they could've easily put a mind control chip in Shepard's brain.

After Mars, I know Kaidan says he was wrong. While in the cerberus base, he also says that he regrets not being with you to fight the collectors. He apologizes plenty but his concern is justified. Just cause you kill Cerberus agents, doesn't mean you aren't working for them undercover.

Modifié par yoshibb, 17 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

One of the early side missions in ME1 revolved around one of Shepard's superior officers dressing Shep down for things he didn't like about the ship. Since he was a superior officer there was no "shove it" option.

Yes there was. I clearly remember telling him that he couldn't inspect my ship.

Doesn't that get you in hot water with Hackett? (not that it really matters since consequences hardly ever matter.)

No, he never mentions it. You're thinking of punching the reporter.

[outmane]

yoshibb wrote...

Everyone from Cerberus is now working for the enemy. Shepard was rebuilt by Cerberus and they could've easily put a mind control chip in Shepard's brain.

After Mars, I know Kaidan says he was wrong. While in the cerberus base, he also says that he regrets not being with you to fight the collectors. He apologizes plenty but his concern is justified. Just cause you kill Cerberus agents, doesn't mean you aren't working for them undercover.

But how is asking about it gonna make any diffrence? What outcome could it have other then annoy a loyal Shepard ? Would a pro-Cerberus Shepard just go 'yeah yeah, im just leading you in circle' ?

Lets say Shep learns from Dr. Chakwas that the VS accessed Shepard's medical files to see if she has had a mind control chip implanted or something. Sure my Shep would have been pissed, but she would also understand the VS was activly making sure she could be trusted. Simply whining about it has no option to lead anywhere.

[Sable Rhapsody]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I agree with you. The mars thing was grating. Ashley was my main romance but honestly I didn't find the pay off rewarding after having to climb over the mountain of distrust.

While I think it was reasonable for the VS to distrust Shepard, I just found it downright annoying after a certain point.  It's kinda like how Shep can chew out the leaders of the various races for their politicking: in case no one noticed, there are the giant REAPERS trying to murder us all.  Stuff the distrust and start working together dangnabbit 

[RilantheFirebug]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Nope, I don't agree. The Virmire Survivor has every reason to be suspicious of Shepard because Shepard was not allowed to explain him/herself in Mass Effect 2 (the writers wouldn't allow it). For all they know, this Commander Shepard is just an imitation of the real thing (it's not like Cerberus is opposed to doing anything unethical like cloning or control chips). Questioning them in order to get direct answers is perfectly in character and completely understandable.

Also, in Kaidan's case, he happens to outrank Shepard now so he is well within his rights to expect a few answers from him/her.

Except for the part where the Virimire survivor is the ONLY squad member who needs an extended explanation. <_<

[Sarah1281]

No, he never mentions it. You're thinking of punching the reporter.

Yeah, I don't think that superior officer really had the go-ahead to do his check. He just hated the Normandy and wokring with aliens and wanted to **** about it. Hackett, who you know had somethign to do with the Normandy's creation, clearly approved of it so why would he want some other guy telling him how everything about it sucks? And why would he be annoyed at you that you didn't give that guy the opportunity?

[Sable Rhapsody]

RilantheFirebug wrote...
Except for the part where the Virimire survivor is the ONLY squad member who needs an extended explanation. <_<

This.  When everyone from Hackett and Anderson to the freaking turian councilor have more faith in me than my old teammate, there's something wrong with the picture <_<

[MisterJB]

ebevan91 wrote...

It was kinda annoying that Ashley questioned me after I mowed down like 30+ Cerberus troops.

Troops that any Cerberus agent would consider expendable if that was what it took to keep his cover within the Alliance.
And it would not be unreasonable to consider that TIM would have enough confidence in Shepard's abilities to survive that he would not order the Cerberus troops to miss shots on purpose.

[Varus Praetor]

What annoys me is that BW didn't give me a "Trust me, shut your pie-hole, or GTF Out" option. I mean, Ashley is annoying as hell and I knew that going in. I just wish I'd shot her ass on the Citadel instead of intimidating her into putting her weapon down.

[Aggie Punbot]

Varus Praetor wrote...

What annoys me is that BW didn't give me a "Trust me, shut your pie-hole, or GTF Out" option. I mean, Ashley is annoying as hell and I knew that going in. I just wish I'd shot her ass on the Citadel instead of intimidating her into putting her weapon down.

They did on Mars. Twice. Once on the elevator into the facility and once when they find the partially huskified Cerberus trooper. Select the bottom right options when you're presented with them. Anyone wishing to express their annoyance and aggravation towards the Virmire Survivor can do so. Your whining about not being able to do it constantly is getting kind of annoying, honestly.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 17 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Made Nightwing]

The rebuilding the trust was pretty damn easy, she was willing to believe Shepard all along, but at the same time she couldn't just ignore the realistic concern that Shepard wasn't Shepard...even if he believed so him/herself.

Due to the situation of the coup, things come to a head. There's a freaking mountain of unsaid suspicion, but if Shepard actually acts like a sane person (Ashley's meant to be holding a gun, she's the damn bodyguard) and stops pointing his gun at a Councillor, he can talk Ash around. It's the first time that Shepard and Ash are actually at a major crossroads. Shepard killing Cerberus agents on Mars could have been one of TIM's convoluted schemes, but the Council would be a major target, one that wouldn't just be a way for Shepard to ingratiate himself.

End of the day? Ash shows her true colors and blows Udina to perdition. Trust issues=resolved.

[Aggie Punbot]

Honestly, if someone doesn't trust me I much prefer if they tell me straight out instead of letting that suspicion fester in silence, having it come out later at a potentially much more inopportune time.

[goodventure]

yoshibb wrote...

Everyone from Cerberus is now working for the enemy. Shepard was rebuilt by Cerberus and they could've easily put a mind control chip in Shepard's brain.

After Mars, I know Kaidan says he was wrong. While in the cerberus base, he also says that he regrets not being with you to fight the collectors. He apologizes plenty but his concern is justified. Just cause you kill Cerberus agents, doesn't mean you aren't working for them undercover.

THIS. Don't Cerberus agents kill each other all the time?

jreezy wrote...
Considering the Virmire Survivor is the ONLY squad member out of the loop concerning Shepard's activities that's understandable.

and this.

I get how it's "annoying," but the VS is justified in doubting Shepard. Especially given their history together.

Modifié par goodventure, 17 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[AlexMBrennan]

For the record, how would Shepard know that he isn't being mind-controlled by Cerberus? Sure, Miranda told him she hadn't implanted him with an control chip but that's presumably exactly what she'd have told him if she had implanted a control chip but didn't want him to know about it.

Having said that, Ash's constant second-guessing of Shepard's *every* decision no matter how trivial over the course of three games does annoy a bit.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 17 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Aggie Punbot]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

For the record, how would Shepard know that he isn't being mind-controlled by Cerberus? Sure, Miranda told him she hadn't implanted him with an control chip but that's presumably exactly what she'd have told him if she had implanted a control chip but didn't want him to know about it.

I'd imagine that had she done that, it would have been more effective if she hadn't brought the subject up in the first place.

[TobiTobsen]

FunFact: Shep voices the same concerns as the VS about himself when you watch the videos in the Cerberus base.

[Renessa]

Bah, I loved it when Kaidan went: "Don't Kaidan me!" Showed he had some backbone.

I just don't get it, why such a lot of people get upset, if NPCs don't constantly agree with them. It makes their characters much more interesting, especially if you can work things out in the end. Who wants a bunch of "Yes" people around all the time?

And by the way, you can come down on them pretty hard with the renegade option and even the paragon option makes your position very clear.

[Chrisimo]

Miranda wanted to install a control chip in Shepards brain. He wouldn't even know if Cerberus did that. How should the VS know Shepard can be trusted?

[Nightdragon8]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

One of the early side missions in ME1 revolved around one of Shepard's superior officers dressing Shep down for things he didn't like about the ship. Since he was a superior officer there was no "shove it" option.

Yes there was. I clearly remember telling him that he couldn't inspect my ship.

Doesn't that get you in hot water with Hackett? (not that it really matters since consequences hardly ever matter.)

On the note of the Officer, ME3 kind of made it worth its wieght in EzO (or whatever exremely valuable menril) in that war.

[EmGo]

 God, I wanted to shoot Kaidan between the eyes.<_<