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[Makatak]

 Screw it. If you're going to populate these forums with crackpot theories using minimal context-less evidence to support your own headcannon fanfiction of an ending, I have a single question for you.

Why stop at just the ending of ME3?

Think about it. If we're going to suggest that Shepard was ever Indoctrinated, then let's start looking at the evidence from back in ME1. Why does Shepard keep running across people saying, "Look at me, I'm Indoctrinated! This is how Indoctrinated people act!" and then he gets funneled into situations where people constantly tell him/her that s/he's not Indoctrinated (like Vigil)? If I was a supreme sentient race of machines, I would absolutely want to convince a protagonist with all-powers that what they were doing was righteous, and that no, of course they weren't indoctrinated. Of course they weren't playing right in to my hands. I'd reinforce the idea that they were the only sane person in the galaxy. I'd constantly put dumb, blathering, drooling people in front of them and say, "You're not this." But look at the truly indoctrinated -- they had no idea. And why trust Vigil? Vigil could lie. Vigil could've been left behind by Saren and the Reapers just to tell Shepard, "Of course you're Indoctrinated!"

Look at Arthas becoming the Lich King. He just wanted to save his people. Is Shepard not the same way? "I just want to destroy the Reapers" he says, "I just want to save the humans. Save the galaxy!"

The truth is that Shepard was Indoctrinated from the moment s/he saw Sovereign on Eden Prime. That's right. And that's what the Reapers had planned all along. What do you think Anderson, Udina, and Hackett before the beginning of ME1 were really saying? They knew something was going on. They chose someone as a sacrifice to the Reapers. "It could only be Shepard" they said. That was their only choice. Their only choice for what? To give to the Reapers to be Indoctrinated. You spend 3 games serving the Reapers, preparing for your ascention, believing the entire time that you're not Indoctrinated.

And so, like a plucky hero, your Shepard goes about their merry, listening to everyone who has something to say, believing the entire time that you're not Indoctrinated because everyone and everything continuously tells you so. But why does everyone have to keep telling you this? Shepard should know, right? They should believe, right? Why doesn't Shepard ever wonder, y'know? Insane people don't know they're insane; it's the same with Indoctrinated...and look at Rana Thoptis, who talked like a normal person up until she blew herself up with a bomb.

So you see? I can find scant evidence anywhere, too. I can make up nonsensical stories about how this was all x or y, because look at all the evidence that supports it!

[marshkoala]

lol

[SimonM72]

You're not BAAAM; Indocrinated. Its a slow steady insideous process and related to exposure. I'd say standing right next to the source of it all would probably tip anyone over the edge.

Sorry, I don't buy whatcha selling.

Modifié par SimonM72, 16 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Web Access Card]

I don't buy into the indoctrination theory, but I find it admirable in a tragic sort of way; it's basically an elaborate coping mechanism, and I think it's kind of ingenius.

[Falstad007]

10/10 thread, would read again.

[Welsh Inferno]

Makatak wrote...

Why stop at just the ending of ME3?

Did. My headcannon = Shep dies at the beam.

Atleast for now. 

[pdHades]

Scant evidence? I guess quoting the Codex on 'Indoctrination' explaining how it works and it's symptoms isn't enough 'evidence'. trolololo

Even if you are right and everyone is grasping at straws, why belittle those of us who want to theorize on this? Why not let it be until 'official word' comes down? Many of us have invested lots of time into this series and world, you can't just say 'ok whelp. I guess thats it.' With what has been given, you just can't. Sorry.

[Complistic]

It's not our fault you completely lack the ability to find deeper meaning in something. 

But I wouldn't want to admit I got tricked by harbringer either I suppose. You have to belittle the theory because you can't admit you got tricked. It's a natural reaction. 

Modifié par Complistic, 16 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[kw0lf]

They are the third stage of grief ... bargaining. I'm still in stage two. You are obviously at stage five ... kudos to you sir. I hope to get there soon.

http://en.wikipedia....bler-Ross_model

[Jaze55]

Makatak wrote...

 Screw it. If you're going to populate these forums with crackpot theories using minimal context-less evidence to support your own headcannon fanfiction of an ending, I have a single question for you.

Why stop at just the ending of ME3?

Think about it. If we're going to suggest that Shepard was ever Indoctrinated, then let's start looking at the evidence from back in ME1. Why does Shepard keep running across people saying, "Look at me, I'm Indoctrinated! This is how Indoctrinated people act!" and then he gets funneled into situations where people constantly tell him/her that s/he's not Indoctrinated (like Vigil)? If I was a supreme sentient race of machines, I would absolutely want to convince a protagonist with all-powers that what they were doing was righteous, and that no, of course they weren't indoctrinated. Of course they weren't playing right in to my hands. I'd reinforce the idea that they were the only sane person in the galaxy. I'd constantly put dumb, blathering, drooling people in front of them and say, "You're not this." But look at the truly indoctrinated -- they had no idea. And why trust Vigil? Vigil could lie. Vigil could've been left behind by Saren and the Reapers just to tell Shepard, "Of course you're Indoctrinated!"

Look at Arthas becoming the Lich King. He just wanted to save his people. Is Shepard not the same way? "I just want to destroy the Reapers" he says, "I just want to save the humans. Save the galaxy!"

The truth is that Shepard was Indoctrinated from the moment s/he saw Sovereign on Eden Prime. That's right. And that's what the Reapers had planned all along. What do you think Anderson, Udina, and Hackett before the beginning of ME1 were really saying? They knew something was going on. They chose someone as a sacrifice to the Reapers. "It could only be Shepard" they said. That was their only choice. Their only choice for what? To give to the Reapers to be Indoctrinated. You spend 3 games serving the Reapers, preparing for your ascention, believing the entire time that you're not Indoctrinated.

And so, like a plucky hero, your Shepard goes about their merry, listening to everyone who has something to say, believing the entire time that you're not Indoctrinated because everyone and everything continuously tells you so. But why does everyone have to keep telling you this? Shepard should know, right? They should believe, right? Why doesn't Shepard ever wonder, y'know? Insane people don't know they're insane; it's the same with Indoctrinated...and look at Rana Thoptis, who talked like a normal person up until she blew herself up with a bomb.

So you see? I can find scant evidence anywhere, too. I can make up nonsensical stories about how this was all x or y, because look at all the evidence that supports it!

I'll be honest. All these indoc theorys and nonsesnse is the one and only thing making me want to jump off this ship.

I am still holding the line, but every time I read a theory or a post "Proof the indoc theory is true" really honestly and truely makes me want to just give up on the movement. It's becoming quite pathetic in my eyes. 

[rockman0]

So, I take it you don't like the Indoctrination Theory?

Seriously, there's no need to get your panties all in a bunch because a group of people want to try to find some way to make sense of the endings.

And yes, by my sig, you can tell that I support the indoctrination theory. And you know what, I"m proud to say that.

You can take our freedom, unless you take our lives!

Besides, threads like this one are getting  just as old as threads trying to prove the indoctrination theory. Threads like "Bioware change the ending now!" got old a long time ago. 

Get over yourself...

Modifié par rockman0, 16 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[stevesyanks17hotmail.com]

Indoc. was proven wrong in game, and by the developers, these nuts don't care.

Not to mention, Indoc. ending makes the game WORSE: we don't actually see what happens if Indoc. is true. Which makes it much much worse.

[katamuro]

If you dont want to see the post dont read them. Its not like we popup out of nowhere without your action to go on bsn into this section and read them.

[jayYyYy]

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Leafs43]

 The indoctrination theory makes more sense than if the ending is actually real.

It has overwhelming evidence to support it.

[Malanek]

Whether you believe it or not please vote in the poll in my signature. I want to see what percentage of the BSN gets this right before Bioware announce anything official on this.

At the moment 80% of voters believe in the theory, so it isn't some small minority group. But need more numbers voting.

Modifié par Malanek999, 16 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[Count Viceroy]

The ending is so horrible, people are desperatly grasping at everything they can get their hands on to try and explain it. I find it hilarious.

[savionen]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Indoc. was proven wrong in game, and by the developers, these nuts don't care.

Not to mention, Indoc. ending makes the game WORSE: we don't actually see what happens if Indoc. is true. Which makes it much much worse.

Not really. The ending would have been better if Shepard was just shot and dead by Harbinger than what it is now. It'd make more sense and havemore of an ending than the current one.

Where was it proven wrong in-game? The VI?

Where did the developers prove it wrong? Everything they've said is completely vague.

Modifié par savionen, 16 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[phyreblade74]

An indoctrination attack by creatures that have been busily indoctrinating people throughout three games, now, isn't anymore nonsensical than insisting Shepard would suddenly change his mind and agree with TIM and Saren, actually. But thanks for your nonsensical rant about a nonsensical story.

[Jaze55]

Complistic wrote...

It's not our fault you completely lack the ability to find deeper meaning in something. 

In MY eyes, you are grasping at straws instead of facing reality. The end is what it is and supporting nonsense theorys is just taking away from our main goal. And that is to fix the ending, or elaborate the ending,  not theorycrafting  making excuses for BW. They didn't plan on any idoc theory I believe and you are just making yourselves look pathetic with these nonsense theorys. IN MY EYES, ONLY my opinion. You know that old saying. "opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has them". Thats just mine. 

[pdHades]

Well, if Indoc is wrong, it does't change the fact that the writers left plot holes galore, and tried to be artsy for arts sake at the cost of an entire franchise.

Modifié par pdHades, 16 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[Noatz]

Indoctrination theory is far from crackpot. It actually makes a lot of sense given the evidence we see in the game.

That said, I still don't believe it.

[Tamahome560]

stevesyanks17hotmail.com wrote...

Indoc. was proven wrong in game, and by the developers, these nuts don't care.

Source?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Sure. Let's just take the non sensical space magic crayon colored endings as is and damn all of those people who try to make some sense out of it and create some amount of hope.

[MintyCool]

This site is flooded with conspiracy spooks. They also probably believe in fairies, ghosts, and god....

What's sad, is the amount of work they actually put into researching a 15-minute pixel cinematic; is comparable to the same amount work done by Truthers of 9/11 or Holocaust Deniers.


What does that tell you about these people.....

 

Modifié par MintyCool, 16 mars 2012 - 06:40 .