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#26
Jaze55

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pdHades wrote...

Well, if Indoc is wrong, it does't change the fact that the writers left plot holes galore, and tried to be artys for arts sake at the cost of an entire franchise.


That's the point, so why waste energy trying to find gold in the mud. Obviously gold would be a deeper meaning and the mud is BW.

They did not plan more, that's the end that they planned and that is why we are fighting to have it fixed. End of story to me. 

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pb1285n

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I thought the whole series was just a dream. Shepard has been in a coma the whole time after the incident on Eden Prime. The reapers don't exist and Saren is not such a bad guy once you get to know him.

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Makatak wrote...

Why stop at just the ending of ME3?

To actually trick players with the indoctrination?

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Aaaaactually, thats still a better ending then ME3s actual ending-----

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Something tells me the OP has a horrible disease rendering him unable to resist clicking an indoctrination theory topic... Poor soul...

Modifié par shurryy, 16 mars 2012 - 06:35 .


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So it's better for people like you to constantly spam and troll people who wish to discuss the game without crying for blood at every turn?

No one is forcing the theory on people. It's just there, and how many view the endings to be. Don't agree, fine. But this thread is fairly immature regarding it.

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 All I got from this post..


"WHIIIIIIINE, I am butt hurt because people don't think the same way I do, euuuuugh, why do people like to find deeper meanings to things such as books and games, whiiiiiiiiiine, why can't people just shut up and accept it at face value, whiiiiiiiiine, I must live a very boring life if I just watch/read/play everything and not look for anything with deeper meanings and I don't get passionate about anything! Whiiiiiiine!"

Yeah, that is what I got from it.

We are sorry that people with ideas, people who enjoy speculating as they want to imagine a better ending than what they got, offends you. We are sorry it makes you feel suicidal and that it upsets you soooooooooo much that your butt clenches so hard you could poop out a diamond.

(Maybe you need a dose of the real world, how about asking people about the movie Inception, or an English Student at University on a book they have read and had to analyse) :whistle:

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Cool story bro.

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Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

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I refuse to believe it isn't true. And before you point out the IOS app the creative process of a movie or a game is a reactive one. Sometimes things don't even make sense until post production (Donnie Darko).

The same way I refuse to believe deckard isn't a replicant (in the movie, not in the book).

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Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.


Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic, the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

Modifié par MintyCool, 16 mars 2012 - 06:41 .


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Noatz wrote...

Indoctrination theory is far from crackpot. It actually makes a lot of sense given the evidence we see in the game.

That said, I still don't believe it.


My point is, you can find "evidence" that suggests anything if you look hard enough. If I designed a graph that had "TV sales by unit" and "global warming", I could theorize that the invention of the TV is what's causing global warming. Look, evidence supports it -- both have gone up significantly since 1960!

Just because people are forming their own conclusions and suddenly stopping at the first idea that pops in their head because it's supported by the illusion of evidence doesn't mean that it's canon. As you can see, there's evidence out there that suggests that Shepard was Indoctrinated from the first moment he met Sovereign on Eden Prime, supported by the idea of how Indoctrination even works. It's feasibly possible if you fill in blanks with headcanon. Does that mean it's right? Absolutely not.

Much the same with the current popular "Indoctrination theory." Is it feasibly possible? Yes. But again, did the invention of the TV cause global warming?

Just because "evidence suggests" something when you look at it from a certain angle doesn't mean that the facts are there. Troll I may be, but ignore not the message by the look of the messenger's horse.

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They are the third stage of grief ... bargaining. I'm still in stage two. You are obviously at stage five ... kudos to you sir. I hope to get there soon.

http://en.wikipedia....bler-Ross_model


I'm well in to stage 5. You should join me. The water is nice.

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Indoctrination has, at least, been established ME canon and has been mentioned several times. That makes it better than a Star Child that magically popped up at the end without any mentioning of it before. Sadly, there is more evidence it's indoctrination than there is that a Space Child controls the Reapers.

Established canon > new nonsensical stuff

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I hate the ending, and indoc theory makes it possibly worse. It would take a lot of follow through unless they explained it in some weird montage......I dunno.

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They're too invested with the ridiculous theory to actually face reality. There was no deeper meaning in the ending.

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Its funny how all the people that say they don't believe the indoctrination theory, probably chose the control ending and so were indoctrinated.

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Apollo-XL5

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I mean anyone who was indoctrinated also says they don't believe in it. Look at saren and IM.

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Shepard was partially indoctrinated at the end of the DLC Arrival, after sleeping for 2 days next to Object Rho. That's my theory anyway.

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Funny thing is, the OP was an obvious sarcasm, but it is still a better explenation than god kid space magic. <_< Untill you come up with an explenation for the god kid space magic theory I'm sticking with an explenation thats not full of plotholes.

Modifié par Smiley556, 16 mars 2012 - 06:42 .


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MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.


Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.


You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

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TheScott1987 wrote...

Indoctrination has, at least, been established ME canon and has been mentioned several times. That makes it better than a Star Child that magically popped up at the end without any mentioning of it before. Sadly, there is more evidence it's indoctrination than there is that a Space Child controls the Reapers.

Established canon > new nonsensical stuff


People are trying to justify horrible out of game story writing and production with in game lore. That is the problem.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 mars 2012 - 06:42 .


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pdHades wrote...

Well, if Indoc is wrong, it does't change the fact that the writers left plot holes galore, and tried to be artsy for arts sake at the cost of an entire franchise.


It is wrong and, yes, that is precisely what BW did.  There's more than ample proof of that between the app, the script and the game.

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If Shepard had been indoctrinated that quickly back in ME1, the ME3 heavy melee attack would have consisted of Shepard jumping on people and chewing on their heads. That's what happens if the indoctrination process is quick and full-force instead of slow and insidious.

...I kind of want to see Shepard do that to a Husk now. Turn the tables a bit, you know?

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Makatak wrote...

Noatz wrote...

Indoctrination theory is far from crackpot. It actually makes a lot of sense given the evidence we see in the game.

That said, I still don't believe it.


My point is, you can find "evidence" that suggests anything if you look hard enough. If I designed a graph that had "TV sales by unit" and "global warming", I could theorize that the invention of the TV is what's causing global warming. Look, evidence supports it -- both have gone up significantly since 1960!

Just because people are forming their own conclusions and suddenly stopping at the first idea that pops in their head because it's supported by the illusion of evidence doesn't mean that it's canon. As you can see, there's evidence out there that suggests that Shepard was Indoctrinated from the first moment he met Sovereign on Eden Prime, supported by the idea of how Indoctrination even works. It's feasibly possible if you fill in blanks with headcanon. Does that mean it's right? Absolutely not.

Much the same with the current popular "Indoctrination theory." Is it feasibly possible? Yes. But again, did the invention of the TV cause global warming?

Just because "evidence suggests" something when you look at it from a certain angle doesn't mean that the facts are there. Troll I may be, but ignore not the message by the look of the messenger's horse.

kw0lf wrote...

They are the third stage of grief ... bargaining. I'm still in stage two. You are obviously at stage five ... kudos to you sir. I hope to get there soon.

http://en.wikipedia....bler-Ross_model


I'm well in to stage 5. You should join me. The water is nice.


It's really not that simple, though. There's 30+ examples in the game that point to indoctrination, and otherwise are basically pointless, random, and bad-writing. There's really not another theory you can dump the plot-holes on. It's either indoctrination or bad writing.

Things like the vent the vent-boy is in having an electrical danger sticker next to it. Why would Bioware put that there if it didn't mean something? If it's just a random graphic to add more detail, why isn't it really used anywhere else?

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PlumPaul82393 wrote...

They're too invested with the ridiculous theory to actually face reality. There was no deeper meaning in the ending.


what ending did you pick?