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[IanPolaris]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Its funny how all the people that say they don't believe the indoctrination theory, probably chose the control ending and so were indoctrinated.

I actually think that's the heart of a lot of the vitriol against the Indoc theory.  If the indoc theory is true (and I personally find it highly plausible), then there is only one 'good' ending.  Destroy.  Anything else means the reapers win and that understandably rubs some people here the wrong way.

-Polaris

[PSUHammer]

MintyCool wrote...


This site is flooded with conspiracy spooks. They also probably believe in fairies, ghosts, and god....

What's sad, is the amount of work they actually put into researching a 15-minute pixel cinematic; is comparable to the same amount work done by Truthers of 9/11 or Holocaust Deniers.


What does that tell you about these people.....

 

Let's not forget the "Every reviewer who gave a positive ME3 review is paid off by EA" crowd.

[Leafs43]

Legendaryred wrote...

Shepard was partially indoctrinated at the end of the DLC Arrival, after sleeping for 2 days next to Object Rho. That's my theory anyway.

I wouldn't say he is partially indoctrinated.

I'd say Shepherd has been exposed long enough to reaper artifacts that Harbinger knows how to set up Shepherd's mind for indoctrination.

Being exposed to Rho object gives Harbinger the gameplan so to speak and is carried out as you progress through ME3.

[MintyCool]

Turran wrote...

(Maybe you need a dose of the real world, how about asking people about the movie Inception, or an English Student at University on a book they have read and had to analyse)

Yes, because the real world is run by "English Students" who are able to "analyze".



How incredibly laughable.

Modifié par MintyCool, 16 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[blah64]

Indoc VS Magic RBG TV cable ending

Actually makes some sense VS Plotholes and Inconsistencies

Chance to fix it VS Finality of failure

Sorry, I'll still take indoc.

[LolaLei]

I don't care how they fix it, so long as it gets fixed.

[Nevaeh15]

If indoctrination was the ending... it should have been... an optional ending at best... Isn't it sad that people have to put so much thought and effort into constructing a "conspiratorial" ending just to make it easier to swallow what they just witnessed.... I think that's a sign of shock...
The ending is exactly what you watched.... bad...

[count_4]

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Did. My headcannon = Shep dies at the beam.

Seriously people, it's canon. Spend several moments trying to figure out what the hell this head cannon is supposed to be...

[Leafs43]

Nevaeh15 wrote...

If indoctrination was the ending... it should have been... an optional ending at best... Isn't it sad that people have to put so much thought and effort into constructing a "conspiratorial" ending just to make it easier to swallow what they just witnessed.... I think that's a sign of shock...
The ending is exactly what you watched.... bad...

Actually the indocrination theory opens up whole new options.

Like now you can take on Harbinger from the inside without ever succumbing to indoctrination.

[815Sox]

I am doing my second play through, and all I have to believe that all this "evidence" that some claim to find "when looking for it" is exactly that... people trying to find things that might support the view they hold.

If this proves to be correct, then more power too you guys. The way that some have handled it has been pretty immature. You cannot have a discussion about anything else in the game without it devolving into repeating the same things about the ending over and over and over and over again.

[Jadebaby]

Leafs43 wrote...

 The indoctrination theory makes more sense than if the ending is actually real.

It has overwhelming evidence to support it.

this^

[MintyCool]

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be people watching the Kony YouTube doc, and then lazily contribute to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it's a shame that you're wasting your energy on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

Modifié par MintyCool, 16 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[teknoarcanist]

I don't know, some of those videos get a little head-up-ass-y, but I think "they tried to indoctrinate Shepard in the end" is a pretty fair interpretation, when the ending was left so purposely open (LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYBODY!!!).

If other people get their little blue babies headcanon, then I get to interpret the ending as an indoctrination attempt. Because the alternative is remembering it at face value, which is massively painful.

[Makatak]

savionen wrote...

It's really not that simple, though. There's 30+ examples in the game that point to indoctrination, and otherwise are basically pointless, random, and bad-writing. There's really not another theory you can dump the plot-holes on. It's either indoctrination or bad writing.

Things like the vent the vent-boy is in having an electrical danger sticker next to it. Why would Bioware put that there if it didn't mean something? If it's just a random graphic to add more detail, why isn't it really used anywhere else?

And what's so wrong with believing that it might just be bad writing? It can happen; it can happen to anyone! I'm a writer, and I've written a lot of bad **** in my time. It's okay. Now, I'm also not writing for a fan base in the several ten-thousands, but even look at Dan Brown, George Lucas, Stephanie Meyer, or any prolific writer (God...think about Tom Clancey). Good writers can write bad things. It's okay for us to just say, "Yo, you screwed up."

So that's my "theory." And as much evidence as there is to support the theory that there's some artistic bent that Bioware has yet to comment on about how some minor detail is actually a huge factor, say Shepard was Indoctrinated, or say the Star-child is a hallucination and Shepard actually died to Harbinger's beam, the "theory" that it's just bad writing I feel has more credence to it.

[Klejne]

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

C'mon man. People denying 9/11 or the Holocaust were either raised to believe it, lack common sense, or have some political motivation. While i get what you're trying to say, the overrall condesending tone is perhaps a bit too much. This theory is pretty much harmless, so i dont get why you'd care so much about what people think of it. Trying to be a internet tough guy only comes of as silly. 

I think that in a trilogy packed with indoctrination, and the effect and markers thereoff, the general idea that Shep Might've been indoctrinated isn't even in the same league of far-fetched-ness as the Holocaust/9/11 stuff. The devolopers sure did try hard to make the last 10 minutes display the signs that i might've happened.

I'm not saying its true, but its far for batdroppings insane.

[Sentr0]

"It was all a dream" makes sense

[PlumPaul93]

MintyCool wrote...Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be how people watch the YouTube doc about Kony and then lazily contributed to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it would be a shame that you're wasting it on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

lol. Magnificent.

[pdHades]

MintyCool wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be how people watch the YouTube doc about Kony and then lazily contributed to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it would be a shame that you're wasting it on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

If you really do have this much passion, it would be a shame that
you're wasting it on a Bioware forum and not contributing to
something worthwhile in your life....

Fixed for ya.  

oh. 'Check and Mate.'

[Makatak]

count_4 wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Did. My headcannon = Shep dies at the beam.

Seriously people, it's canon. Spend several moments trying to figure out what the hell this head cannon is supposed to be...

It's those things that that one Turok game had on the top of the T-Rex.

EDIT: Found it

Modifié par Makatak, 16 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[Uezurii]

All the evidence one needs, is that at the end of the destroy option, and your EMS is high enough, Shepard wakes up in stone rubble, something the Citadel isn't made out of, while the Catalyst said he would die.

It doesn't have to be indoctrination, could be something else, but it does show something is going on.

[NReed106]

You know why the theory is popular? Because it gives people hope that they can headcanon an ending far better than what the game had. '

Who are you to despise them for hoping? It's *fiction* it's all made up. I enjoy the indoctrination theory ending more as I can create my own from that point onward, if you want to end your game with a galactic holocaust and destroy galactic civilization, possibly the entire sol system+every system with a mass relay, go for it.

I would prefer the idea that it was a mental struggle and my shepard didn't just completely lose all sense of character built in the past 3 games.

[Mushufasa1512]

I think deep down, everyone knows indoc theory isn't true. There are plenty of other games/novles/movies out there with ambiguous endings. Everytime that happens theories crop up about what actually happened. They are almost never true. The larger point here is that fans of the series feel the ending is so out of place, they are grasping at anything else that could possibly make sense. Indeed, indoc theory to me seems more of a message saying "those endings were so terrible we are going to make up our own" rather than people actually believing bioware had some grand master design. Whatever the case, the ambigious endings could work in everyone's favor. Bioware has left themselves a way out of this mess if they are willing to take it.

[N0rasmus]

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

You nay-sayers simply lost hope in Bioware. That's ok, cause most of haven't. And that is probably what Bioware is testing us on, we are fighting our own Indoctrination. AND THAT IS FINE WITH US.

On a side note, I find it incredible the amount of attention this is getting, and how the community is coming together IN MASSES to make meaning out of this. It truly is incredible.

Modifié par N0rasmus, 16 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Baine10]

You know what, Anti-theorists?

Stop making these kind of threads. Pointless. Let them do what they want, not as if they are saying that "Oh Mass Effect 3 is actually the advent of the end of the world" It isn't hurting anyone, it's giving people hope.

Why kill hope? Cynic.

[MintyCool]

pdHades wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be how people watch the YouTube doc about Kony and then lazily contributed to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it would be a shame that you're wasting it on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

If you really do have this much passion, it would be a shame that
you're wasting it on a Bioware forum and not contributing to
something worthwhile in your life....

Fixed for ya.  

oh. 'Check and Mate.'

I'm not the one spending hours coming up with theories, I'm a member on a forum trying to responsed to the cult-like hivemind that exists on these boards. It's hard to debate when you are presented with facts that
directly challenge your beliefs, keep digging in. ....hold the line, lol.

Your ilk is only capable of digesting corn fructose.

Unlike your cult-like mentallity, some people choose not to lose their sense of self and discuss the plot like human beings...

Keep up the fight, this "movement" is slowly fading away.

Modifié par MintyCool, 16 mars 2012 - 06:58 .