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[teknoarcanist]

If you don't buy indoctrination theory, then you will have to come up with an explanation for why Shepard wakes up after choosing destroy with 5000+ EMS. Because that pretty much proves the Catalyst was full of ****.

And come on. You really think Shepard survived the Citadel exploding and crashing to Earth? FROM THE INSIDE?

[NvVanity]

I wouldn't call "grasping at emergency induction ports" concrete evidence to prove Indoctrination but whatever.

[AdeptusAstartes]

I think I would rather it be that Bioware's writers started the ball rolling on one of the greatest ways to end one of the best sci-fi stories of this generation, rather than they got to the end, decided this was good enough and rolled with it.

One route assumes the audience is smart enough to pick up on their context clues and figure it out.
The other route hopes the audience is too stupid to notice the staggering number of logical disconnects and glaring plot holes.

[Jaze55]

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

The evidence is that little thing that pops up at the end of the game that says. Shep is now a legend. 

A legend for what? Being a tool indoctrinated douche that ended up killing most life in the galaxy just like the Reapers  wanted from the begining? Grasping..... at ...... straws.

Hey I love reading the theorys they are fun to read and yes the are a hell of a lot better then what we got.

Do I wish it was true? Yes. I wish anything happened other then what we go to be honest. I believe it's nonsense. You believe what you want, but I am a realist and what we got is the ending they planned all along. 

[Rafe34]

count_4 wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...
Did. My headcannon = Shep dies at the beam.

Seriously people, it's canon. Spend several moments trying to figure out what the hell this head cannon is supposed to be...

Lol. That brought an awesome mental image to my mind.

Shepard, how are you going to destroy the reapers?

With this! *Cannon pops out of his head.*

o_O

In all seriousness though, the Indoc theory makes more sense than what they gave us. Is it likely it was BW's original plan? No. Do I care? No. Am I beyond astonished that the fans came up with a theory that fits the game better in one week than BW did in two years? Hell yes.

Anyone who thinks the Indoc Theory is proven wrong by *anything* in-game, even the Stargazer scene as this troll steveyanks continually brings up, should really go look at our thread. Everything is answered. Are there minor problems? Yes. It's nothing compared to the plotholes the size of a sun that are in the current ending.

[Smiley556]

The thing is, god kid space magic theory is absolutely disproven by teleporting squadmates and shepard waking up alive on the rubble on earth after the citadel blows up.

Wether or not indoc theory is true, its the best thing we have so far.

[Baine10]

Wow MintyCool, yay for you. You're so independent you're showering it all over the place. Way to be critical and way to be a hero. That's just what you need to be.

Why are you even arguing for? Have you thought of it? Because it seems all you want to do is to put down others, it's quite sad, this "cyber-bullying" and "checkmate" nonsense.

[Lordalif]

Ha ha its not like we grasping at thin air, Indroc theory makes alot of sense, infact it makes too much sense.

Any way watch this video if you havnt with an open mind.



enjoy!

[ericjdev]

I'm not sold on it but I think there's a lot of good data to support indoctrination theory.

[JackHallin]

I think that there's enough hinkiness in both BioWare's cryptic responses and in the ending, from the point where you're almost hit by the Reaper beam while running for the Citadel, that there's something else going on.

Maybe the indoctrination theory is just an attempt by some of us to garner a deeper meaning from the ending, it doesn't make it any less valid. Even if you accept the ending straightforwardly, there is enough ambiguity in what we are shown that multiple, literal interpretations of the ending will carry equal validity.

Honestly, I think one of the best things about the ending is the ambiguity, Still, I'm left wanting more.

[Count Viceroy]

Smiley556 wrote...

The thing is, god kid space magic theory is absolutely disproven by teleporting squadmates and shepard waking up alive on the rubble on earth after the citadel blows up.

Wether or not indoc theory is true, its the best thing we have so far.

It feels weird quoting my self but...

Count Viceroy wrote...

People are trying to justify horrible out of game story writing and production with in game lore. That is the problem.

[Rafe34]

MassEffected555 wrote...

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

The evidence is that little thing that pops up at the end of the game that says. Shep is now a legend. 

A legend for what? Being a tool indoctrinated douche that ended up killing most life in the galaxy just like the Reapers  wanted from the begining? Grasping..... at ...... straws.

Hey I love reading the theorys they are fun to read and yes the are a hell of a lot better then what we got.

Do I wish it was true? Yes. I wish anything happened other then what we go to be honest. I believe it's nonsense. You believe what you want, but I am a realist and what we got is the ending they planned all along. 

The SG scene doesn't rule it out. The theory is that we don't have the endings yet. It's simply jumping forward in time, assuming that Shep won. He does say the details have been lost to time. Maybe in their time, they believe that the current endings are how Shepard won. Doesn't make it true. It's a small problem, with an explanation that is stretching things a bit, I'll grant you. I just find there to be far bigger plotholes in the current ending.

After all, you don't really think that old man told his kid the exact details of everything that happened, do you?

"Grandpa, tell me again how the asari used biotics while she and Shepard had sex! I liked that part!"

Modifié par Rafe34, 16 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Sepharih]

If bioware and/or their apologists don't like interpretations like the indoctrination theory then they are going to have to reconcile it with the fact that they INVITED interpretations like this by making such a nonsensical open ended conclusion in order to promote speculation and discussion.

If you don't want people to interpret the ending in a way you don't like then you have to give a straight ending.

Modifié par Sepharih, 16 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Gravbh]

I need to see Shepard's birth certificate.

[Rafe34]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

The thing is, god kid space magic theory is absolutely disproven by teleporting squadmates and shepard waking up alive on the rubble on earth after the citadel blows up.

Wether or not indoc theory is true, its the best thing we have so far.

It feels weird quoting my self but...

Count Viceroy wrote...

People are trying to justify horrible out of game story writing and production with in game lore. That is the problem.

You're right. That is the biggest problem with it, you could justify everything by horrible writing. I just really would rather believe BW didn't completely drop the ball on the ending to this trilogy. It just doesn't make any sense that we came up with a theory that fits the facts in one week better than they did in two years, that just has so much coincidence pointing towards it.

For example, the kid at the very beginning. Why does no one help him up into the shuttle? Bad writing? That just seems very odd. No one even notices he's there, almost as if he... isn't.

[Makatak]

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

You nay-sayers simply lost hope in Bioware. That's ok, cause most of haven't. And that is probably what Bioware is testing us on, we are fighting our own Indoctrination. AND THAT IS FINE WITH US.

On a side note, I find it incredible the amount of attention this is getting, and how the community is coming together IN MASSES to make meaning out of this. It truly is incredible.

Burden of Proof says "hello."

[rockman0]

MintyCool wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be people watching the Kony YouTube doc, and then lazily contribute to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it's a shame that you're wasting your energy on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

And you've come to that conclusion how? How can you tell what someone does in their life by what you see online? That's pretty pretentious of you. Besides, the same could be said of you. Why aren't you doing something worthwhile in your life?

Why isn't anyone crying out "Hold the line" doing anything worthwhile with their life?

Still no checkmate. Partly because we're not playing chess.

EDIT: Took your initiative and bolded some parts to make what I'm saying seem important.

Modifié par rockman0, 16 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Makatak]

Gravbh wrote...

I need to see Shepard's birth certificate.

You, sir, made me smile.

[EliteOp-11]

I wish the reapers just wiped out the entire galaxy so i dont have to see IT threads being posted. Teh again they probably would tell me it was just a dream that shepard had after coping with the loss of the child in the opening.

[JELLAQTP]

So, If the indoctrination theory is right or Bioware make it right what will you do?

[Turran]

MintyCool wrote...

Turran wrote...

(Maybe you need a dose of the real world, how about asking people about the movie Inception, or an English Student at University on a book they have read and had to analyse)

Yes, because the real world is run by "English Students" who are able to "analyze".



How incredibly laughable.

Well when the OP is clearly offended that people are thinking differently to him, he should get outside and realise people clearly can watch/play/read/analyse/do the same things and come out with completely different reasons and meanings behind those stated.

English Students being a prime example. 
I don't get what made you laugh, but atleast you are getting some joy from it I guess? 

[Rafe34]

Gravbh wrote...

I need to see Shepard's birth certificate.

Indeed. He's not allowed to save this galaxy if he wasn't born in it.

[Rafe34]

EliteOp-11 wrote...

I wish the reapers just wiped out the entire galaxy so i dont have to see IT threads being posted. Teh again they probably would tell me it was just a dream that shepard had after coping with the loss of the child in the opening.

Well that's really stupid.

Just don't read them.

[Count Viceroy]

Rafe34 wrote...

You're right. That is the biggest problem with it, you could justify everything by horrible writing. I just really would rather believe BW didn't completely drop the ball on the ending to this trilogy.

The information provided by the IOS app sort of points towards it though. The storyboard, quotes from Walters and Casey and Walters notes. It really does.

[Mcfly616]

These kids are trying so hard to debunk the indoc theory because their feeble minds can't see the simple logical truth. Biowares is just slapping you in the face with....can't wait til the just come out and announce the dlc so we can just make a thread called "Point and Laugh(at the people that didn't see the twist coming)"....
Your only evidence is "sloppy writing" and "space magic"....all of.your attempts to debunk the evidence supporting the indoc.theory are really vague. In fact they have no substance....you just say 'that's doesn't make sense'....well it makes sense to people the know how to read the writing on the wall....but maybe you all just need it spelled out for you? Nah, you'd get confused.....anybody see Inception here? You must've not understood a lick of that movie.