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[Fame-KIllz]

lol why are you so upset? Were upset because the ending blows, you're upset because we are trying to look at alternatives to the shoddy one we got. Go away.

[Zyrious]

MintyCool wrote...


This site is flooded with conspiracy spooks. They also probably believe in fairies, ghosts, and god....

What's sad, is the amount of work they actually put into researching a 15-minute pixel cinematic; is comparable to the same amount work done by Truthers of 9/11 or Holocaust Deniers.


What does that tell you about these people.....

 

I'm not a fan of the indoc theory, but you lost my support the minute you started demeaning the personal beliefs of others, as you have here. Grow up.

Indoc theory is a neat form of headcanon. Is it actual canon? No, we know it isnt' We know the dev's had no intention for it, actually had a more extensive starchild sequence but cut it for "Speculation". Not "Indoc speculation", they just wanted pure, random speculation, they didnt actually have a greater plan.

Modifié par Zyrious, 16 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[Darknessfalls23]

Because the choice is between Shepard finally falling to harbinger's will which could of happen, or magical space baby gives Shepard the power to send magical beams of various colors to solve the Reaper problem.

[Rafe34]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

You're right. That is the biggest problem with it, you could justify everything by horrible writing. I just really would rather believe BW didn't completely drop the ball on the ending to this trilogy.

The information provided by the IOS app sort of points towards it though. The storyboard, quotes from Walters and Casey and Walters notes. It really does.

Oh I agree. That pretty much shot any chance of it actually being what BW intended down the proverbial drain.

It still makes me laugh, not in a good way, that the fans came up with a better ending in a week.

[Jaze55]

JELLAQTP wrote...

So, If the indoctrination theory is right or Bioware make it right what will you do?

I personally would be happy. I do think it's interesting. Then again, I would probably be happy with anything other then the ending we got at this point. I still think it's a crazy and false idea though. Again, my opinion. 

Anyway the point is we all agree the endings are bad and need to be fixed. We can argue about this but we are on the same side so I don't want it to get out of hand. I just simply do not believe BW has anything planned other then what they gave us. At least nothing planned at the time of launch, all this hopefully had an effect and we do get a new or better explained ending. 

[Baine10]

Makatak wrote...

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

You nay-sayers simply lost hope in Bioware. That's ok, cause most of haven't. And that is probably what Bioware is testing us on, we are fighting our own Indoctrination. AND THAT IS FINE WITH US.

On a side note, I find it incredible the amount of attention this is getting, and how the community is coming together IN MASSES to make meaning out of this. It truly is incredible.

Burden of Proof says "hello."

Oh my myself(I am an aethist), It's just a game! You just used philosopy on a VIDEOGAME THEORY MADE UP BY FANS.

That sure makes you sound smart. 

No. it doesn't. I was being sarcastic in all of the above. Stop trying to look smart. I'm not, you're not. We're all entitled to our opinion. Why disprove something that cannot be proven in leiu? Take your real-life confrontations to real people where they are needed, and where they matter. Your kind and ilk are in the wrong place. 

[Lethys1]

MintyCool wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be people watching the Kony YouTube doc, and then lazily contribute to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it's a shame that you're wasting your energy on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

There is picture evidence in the form of film and photographs, as well as thousands of witnesses who can attest to the truth in the Holocaust, and even Germany itself has made Holocaust denial illegal because it comes from a place of hatred as opposed to fact.  There is no evidence for Holocaust denial to fall back on that hasn't been disproven.

Just like 9/11, the proof that it was an inside job is just wrong and provably so.  Yes there is some evidence, but it lacks any backing because of how insanely nuts it is and because we have evidence contrary to it.  And there are people who take credit for having done it....

This ME3 end is completely ambiguous by comparison.  There is nothing to suggest the theory is wrong and you can't disprove any of it except to say that it's wrong and whine about it.  You evoke real world events for your argument to have some sort of shock value instead of actual merit.

Your brash resistance and insistence on criticizing people who think of an intelligent explanation for this dumb ending is indicative of your overall lack of intelligence.  You're just stubborn and wrong.

P.S. Good job falling back on criticizing people for caring about the ending instead of real world events....meanwhile you're on a forum discussing said ending.  

Modifié par Lethys1, 16 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Rafe34]

MassEffected555 wrote...

JELLAQTP wrote...

So, If the indoctrination theory is right or Bioware make it right what will you do?

I personally would be happy. I do think it's interesting. Then again, I would probably be happy with anything other then the ending we got at this point. I still think it's a crazy and false idea though. Again, my opinion. 

Anyway the point is we all agree the endings are bad and need to be fixed. We can argue about this but we are on the same side so I don't want it to get out of hand. I just simply do not believe BW has anything planned other then what they gave us. At least nothing planned at the time of launch, all this hopefully had an effect and we do get a new or better explained ending. 

Would you pay for a better one?

I think that's going to be the thing here. 

It would just look like BW always intended to pull this crap in order to get more money, and I think most of the people would buy a new ending. Heck... I'm not sure I could resist that. I probably would always wait for user reviews prior to buying any game from BW... but I'd probably buy that DLC. Makes me kinda ashamed to say it.

[Mcfly616]

And please please explain to me: Shepard is outerspace...how in the **** can he breathe without a mask on? He was just on a mission earlier in the game where he's in space, and the game makes you where a helmet. You don't have a choice....but some how the laws of the universe have changed in the few hours between that mission and when you meet the Starkid? That seems totally logical....NOT....let me guess, he can.breathe in outerspace because of poor writing or space magic....right?!....yeah that's all you trolls got....you have no evidence to debunk the indoc theory....all you have to do is stop trying to prove it isn't a dream/indoc, and start trying to prove your own theory that its all real....which you can't....I'd love to see someone try

[Sailears]

Stop being so cynical and let people believe in it if they want to.

I think it's a very elegant way of digesting the ending of the game, and am very much in favour of it.

[Rafe34]

Baine10 wrote...

Makatak wrote...

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

You nay-sayers simply lost hope in Bioware. That's ok, cause most of haven't. And that is probably what Bioware is testing us on, we are fighting our own Indoctrination. AND THAT IS FINE WITH US.

On a side note, I find it incredible the amount of attention this is getting, and how the community is coming together IN MASSES to make meaning out of this. It truly is incredible.

Burden of Proof says "hello."

Oh my myself(I am an aethist), It's just a game! You just used philosopy on a VIDEOGAME THEORY MADE UP BY FANS.

That sure makes you sound smart. 

No. it doesn't. I was being sarcastic in all of the above. Stop trying to look smart. I'm not, you're not. We're all entitled to our opinion. Why disprove something that cannot be proven in leiu? Take your real-life confrontations to real people where they are needed, and where they matter. Your kind and ilk are in the wrong place. 

Wait, what!

The entire Mass Effect series is infused with all sorts of philosophical ideas. I know, I nearly have a masters in the thing- and anyone can really see it.

It is perfectly legitimate to bring up a philosophical point here.

[Rafe34]

Mcfly616 wrote...

And please please explain to me: Shepard is outerspace...how in the **** can he breathe without a mask on? He was just on a mission earlier in the game where he's in space, and the game makes you where a helmet. You don't have a choice....but some how the laws of the universe have changed in the few hours between that mission and when you meet the Starkid? That seems totally logical....NOT....let me guess, he can.breathe in outerspace because of poor writing or space magic....right?!....yeah that's all you trolls got....you have no evidence to debunk the indoc theory....all you have to do is stop trying to prove it isn't a dream/indoc, and start trying to prove your own theory that its all real....which you can't....I'd love to see someone try

I don't really think that one works. He's on the Citadel, and he's breathing the same way anyone breathes on the Citadel. There is no evidence that the atmosphere is gone.

[MustacheManatee]

Can't wait to say we told ya so

[Mcfly616]

What Lethys1 just said....god, how did you people even learn to type? It's hard to believe you could even comprehend the difference between your a** from a hole in the ground....your debunk attempts are quite pathetic and just make the indoc case even stronger

[Mcfly616]

Rafe34.....so he's on top of the citadel...the outside of it....there is no atmosphere on the outside of it....he is outside....not inside...

[Baine10]

Rafe34 wrote...

Baine10 wrote...

Makatak wrote...

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

You nay-sayers simply lost hope in Bioware. That's ok, cause most of haven't. And that is probably what Bioware is testing us on, we are fighting our own Indoctrination. AND THAT IS FINE WITH US.

On a side note, I find it incredible the amount of attention this is getting, and how the community is coming together IN MASSES to make meaning out of this. It truly is incredible.

Burden of Proof says "hello."

Oh my myself(I am an aethist), It's just a game! You just used philosopy on a VIDEOGAME THEORY MADE UP BY FANS.

That sure makes you sound smart. 

No. it doesn't. I was being sarcastic in all of the above. Stop trying to look smart. I'm not, you're not. We're all entitled to our opinion. Why disprove something that cannot be proven in leiu? Take your real-life confrontations to real people where they are needed, and where they matter. Your kind and ilk are in the wrong place. 

Wait, what!

The entire Mass Effect series is infused with all sorts of philosophical ideas. I know, I nearly have a masters in the thing- and anyone can really see it.

It is perfectly legitimate to bring up a philosophical point here.

I see your point and I agree wholeheartedly, but his philosophical model pertains to the argument against the theory, not the game itself. Thus it is a meaningless use of it.
Sorry to say this, but I think you failed to read my post properly?

[Jaze55]

Mcfly616 wrote...

And please please explain to me: Shepard is outerspace...how in the **** can he breathe without a mask on? He was just on a mission earlier in the game where he's in space, and the game makes you where a helmet. You don't have a choice....but some how the laws of the universe have changed in the few hours between that mission and when you meet the Starkid? That seems totally logical....NOT....let me guess, he can.breathe in outerspace because of poor writing or space magic....right?!....yeah that's all you trolls got....you have no evidence to debunk the indoc theory....all you have to do is stop trying to prove it isn't a dream/indoc, and start trying to prove your own theory that its all real....which you can't....I'd love to see someone try

OK so we are using real life situation to prove the theory? Ok then, how is it possible for giant half machine/half squids can talk to us? Or how is it possible a stasis pod can survice for 50,000 years? Or how is it possible Shepard fell from a space ship, got burned from entering the atmosphere, slammed down on the ground and was still able to be re built? Oh cause the game says it can happen, just like the game says Shep can breath in outer space. DERP

[Makatak]

Baine10 wrote...

Makatak wrote...

N0rasmus wrote...

You know, it's funny people who DON'T believe in the Indoctrination Theory, have NO EVIDENCE against it. Every counter argument they give has no base to it, and their only support to their counters is "poor writing". Why do you think most people believe in the Indoctrination Theory? BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS SUBSTANTIAL AND CONCRETE. The only "evidence" nay-sayers have is "poor writing".... yeah... that should do it right?

You nay-sayers simply lost hope in Bioware. That's ok, cause most of haven't. And that is probably what Bioware is testing us on, we are fighting our own Indoctrination. AND THAT IS FINE WITH US.

On a side note, I find it incredible the amount of attention this is getting, and how the community is coming together IN MASSES to make meaning out of this. It truly is incredible.

Burden of Proof says "hello."

Oh my myself(I am an aethist), It's just a game! You just used philosopy on a VIDEOGAME THEORY MADE UP BY FANS.

That sure makes you sound smart. 

No. it doesn't. I was being sarcastic in all of the above. Stop trying to look smart. I'm not, you're not. We're all entitled to our opinion. Why disprove something that cannot be proven in leiu? Take your real-life confrontations to real people where they are needed, and where they matter. Your kind and ilk are in the wrong place. 

*forehead*

No, I did not use philosophy. Philosophy has always been there. I merely pointed out that the Burden of Proof rests on the Theorists, just as it does with the 9/11 Truthers and the Holocaust Disbelievers that other people are so quick to point out. While I don't necessarily agree in comparing those things on a board for a fictional game, we are currently in the forum (which is a discussion hall, albeit virtual) where people discuss the very fictional game in question, so inviting other things for comparison is a perfectly legitimate tactic.

The thing those ideas have in common is that they all share the Burden of Proof, which I so kindly linked to the person claiming that there is "no counter-evidence" for the Indoctrination Theory. The reason that there are not 3 threads per page (though there sometimes are) containing evidence against the Indoctrination Theory is that the people who do not support the Indoctrination Theory do not have the Burden of Proof, so that argument is nil.

[The Real Bowser]

Makatak wrote...

 Screw it. If you're going to populate these forums with crackpot theories blah blah blah

Stopped reading here.  You are the one nerdraging because people are using theories you disagree with, and openly attacking them because you're so close-minded.

Grow up.

[Mcfly616]

I find it funny you say there's no evidence saying the atmosphere is down....and then say there's no evidence of him being unconscious....its so ass backwards logically.....but yeah you're right, there is no evidence its down.....but then again, it doesn't oxygenize the air on the outside of the Citadel....sounds like reaching to.me

[Jaze55]

Mcfly616 wrote...

And please please explain to me: Shepard is outerspace...how in the **** can he breathe without a mask on? He was just on a mission earlier in the game where he's in space, and the game makes you where a helmet. You don't have a choice....but some how the laws of the universe have changed in the few hours between that mission and when you meet the Starkid? That seems totally logical....NOT....let me guess, he can.breathe in outerspace because of poor writing or space magic....right?!....yeah that's all you trolls got....you have no evidence to debunk the indoc theory....all you have to do is stop trying to prove it isn't a dream/indoc, and start trying to prove your own theory that its all real....which you can't....I'd love to see someone try

OK I will try. My game ended and there was nothing else to see. Seems pretty solid evidence. 

[MintyCool]

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Lethys1 wrote...

Anyone who so emphatically rejects it and claims there's no legitimate backing just lacks an understanding of the theory.  It's fine, no one can prove it's correct or false, but it certainly makes sense and has proof behind it.

Truthers 9/11, Holocaust Deniers, etc.

With your logic the above organizations are legit. Don't try to flock your feathers with your intellectual superiority unless you have an understanding with wtf you're talking about.

Speak more multi-syllable words in a random order; I enjoy it puppet.


Checkmate.

You shouldn't compare real life crackpot theories to some pass time on a video game forum. After all, those real-life events weren't "open for interpretation." Besides, what occurred in those events are a lot more serious than some video game ending that you happened to dislike.

Checkmate rescinded.

Exactly my point,

A movement requires work, and you're too lazy for that. A similar example would be people watching the Kony YouTube doc, and then lazily contribute to the cause by changing their Facebook status....

Hold the line? lol.

If you really do have this much passion, it's a shame that you're wasting your energy on a 15min pixel cutscene and not contributing to something worthwhile in your life....

Hold the line? It would seem you're not holding anything...

Check And Mate.

And you've come to that conclusion how? How can you tell what someone does in their life by what you see online? That's pretty pretentious of you. Besides, the same could be said of you. Why aren't you doing something worthwhile in your life?

Why isn't anyone crying out "Hold the line" doing anything worthwhile with their life?

Still no checkmate. Partly because we're not playing chess.

EDIT: Took your initiative and bolded some parts to make what I'm saying seem important.

Mintycool wrote...

^

[Capeo]

Mcfly616 wrote...

And please please explain to me: Shepard is outerspace...how in the **** can he breathe without a mask on? He was just on a mission earlier in the game where he's in space, and the game makes you where a helmet. You don't have a choice....but some how the laws of the universe have changed in the few hours between that mission and when you meet the Starkid? That seems totally logical....NOT....let me guess, he can.breathe in outerspace because of poor writing or space magic....right?!....yeah that's all you trolls got....you have no evidence to debunk the indoc theory....all you have to do is stop trying to prove it isn't a dream/indoc, and start trying to prove your own theory that its all real....which you can't....I'd love to see someone try

What the hell are you talking about?  When in the end is Shep ever in space.  The Citadel has atmosphere.

[Voidster]

Obvious troll is obvious. Way to go OP just add more fuel to the fire!

I dont care what BW calls the ending, or how they handle it. We have zero closure on what happens to shep, his/her crew or the galaxy. its a terrible way to end a series. You like space magic ending eh? hmm interesting.

[Giguelingueling]

SimonM72 wrote...

You're not BAAAM; Indocrinated. Its a slow steady insideous process and related to exposure. I'd say standing right next to the source of it all would probably tip anyone over the edge.

Sorry, I don't buy whatcha selling.

Tim control you and it take less then a second using reaper Indoctrination