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[Da Don Giovanni]

*Here is a 2minute video interview with the creator of Fallout 3 & Skyrim and head of Bethesda, Todd Howard. @ 0:57 he admits that the ending to Fallout 3 was a mistake and the dev team wished to change it, and they did with DLC.

http://www.g4tv.com/...th-Todd-Howard/


Fallout 3, a phenomenal RPG (2008), did not have a Satisfactory ending. (not as bad as ME3, but in the same ball park) 

Serious backlash ensued about the ending and Bethesda released DLC (6 months later) entitled, "Broken Steel" (not based entirely on the community backlash, but in part.)

This allowed players to continue the game after the end (where the player had died) and the DLC was hailed as some of the best ever produced and went on to sell millions of downloads.


If Stanley Woo or Chris Priestly reads this and can pass this up to Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble or whoever @ EA, tell them to play Fallout 3, beat it, then download Broken Steel and apply something similar to ME3.


Most of the "Retake ME3" movement will be willing to buy a "Broken Steel" esque DLC, just so we can get the closeur and straightforward ending we have come to expect from BioWare and an ending we were promised.

I used to be an avid SWTOR player up until I finished ME3.  Thousands of others  and myself are cancelling/cancelled our subscriptions for that reason, so on that alone EA/BioWare has lost 10s of thousands of dollars, and God knows how many Thousands more have traded ME3 in to gamestop already and I know that hurts the pocketbook and your PR.


The solution is Real Simple BioWare, produce a "Broken Steel" style DLC that allows us to play, say... "Post-Harbinger" (after Harbinger shows up) in a different way, with more detailed/ME1&2 decision specific endings and we pay you $10 for it.

You get EA more money, and the press will see that you work with fans, you get more "Good" press about ME3 (which increases sales) and the fans get what they deserve. Win/Win

Also a major gaming site concurs with my assesment.

http://pc.gamespy.co.../1220833p1.html

Modifié par Da Don Giovanni, 24 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Mad-Hamlet]

This. So very much this.

There is a precedent, use it as a lever to crack them wide open.

[Da Don Giovanni]

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

This. So very much this.

There is a precedent, use it as a lever to crack them wide open.

As Jack Black would say:

"See? It's F**kin simple!"

[Ruari]

I wouldn't say they get their reputation back...it's just the first step in getting it back. A band-aid on the cut.

[LTKerr]

Willing to buy? ME3 costs over 60€ for god's sake! If there's any new ending (hope so), it has to be a free DLC.

[firefireblow]

Yes as stated by gamespy game have changed their endings before. Now they can too.

[Statulos]

And this is the weird thing about Bioware. You guys did Throne of Bhaal and with all its limitations, it felt far more complete and enclosing than ME3.

[Denethar]

They still care enough about their customers though....

[RebelByDesign]

It wouldn't even change my opinion if there was no precedent. There is reason enough to set one.

[incinerator950]

I recall Fallout 3's ending being exactly the same with the DLC, but allowing you to continue on regardless of your choice. From a standpoint, Fallout 3's ending isn't bad, people wanted to continue. Something Fallout New Vegas didn't follow through with.

[luzburg]

i agree.
as they say in any military operation simplicety is key (read that in US army combat leader field manual)
i was also pissed about the fallout 3 ending but i wasnt nearly as invested in that frachise as mass effect so i took it for what it was. so when i heared what broken steel did from a buddy at work i got home and got my creditcard and started playing.

[Bobrzy]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

Fallout 3, one of the greatest RPG's this generation

AHAHAH, i'm not sure what is funnier - calling Fallout 3 an RPG, or using word "greatest" in the same sentence.

Anyway - DLC can always fix the ending. Problem is, if DLC will cost ANYTHING (even 1 BioWare point) it will be one of the most evil moves in the history of video gaming industry. We were promised a satisfactory epilogue, that will give us a sense of closure to the story, i know i payed money WITH THAT IN MIND, and for now - i have not recieved it. And forcing me to pay additional money for it, would be disgusting.

[Archereon]

I don't see people say there's no precedent to someone changing the ending, there are many occasions on which endings have been retconned. If you also count endings which were invalidated by future works but not ignored or simply expanded beyond the creators' desired conclusion (ie, if the indoctrination theory was true), you get a much, much longer list. Here's just a few examples.

Great Expectations
Sherlock Holmes
Fallout 3: Broken Steel
Metal Gear Solid 2
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Star Wars (by way of the EU, your choice if that's a good thing or a bad thing) and just about every other series that has an EU and wasn't created with one in mind.

[heretica]

incinerator950 wrote...

I recall Fallout 3's ending being exactly the same with the DLC, but allowing you to continue on regardless of your choice. From a standpoint, Fallout 3's ending isn't bad, people wanted to continue. Something Fallout New Vegas didn't follow through with.

Lol. Fallout NV has to be the game out there with the most replay value . :/

(We don't count Morrowind or any pre 2000 games)

[weltraumhamster89]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

I was playing SWTOR up until ME3, I and thousands of others are cancelling/cancelled our subs for that so your losing 10s of thousands of dollars there, and god knows how many thousands more have traded ME3 in to gamestop already and I know that hurts the pocketbook.

This. I did this as well and even wrote it in the comment section of my cancellation-form.

[Ghurshog]

Lets be clear the 'reason' Fallout received a different ending was to make DLC playable "after" you completed the main campaign. Which until they patched the game it wasn't possible.

Not because their was hysteria about the ending being poor.

[Da Don Giovanni]

LTKerr wrote...

Willing to buy? ME3 costs over 60€ for god's sake! If there's any new ending (hope so), it has to be a free DLC.

As great as that would be, it's 2012, and EA OWNS BioWare, you know what that means? MONEY is the bottom line, as you can see, multiplayer is undoubtedly EA's doing, I've seen guys in MP, with a 320 rating and no other achievements than %100 galatic readiness and lvl 20 multiplayer, no concern for SP, just MP junkie.

Now, Casey Hudson as mean as he was to us about the ending, doesn't work for free. Neither does Mike Gamble or the other engineers and developers, so they produce Broken Steel for ME3, they deserve about $10 if it's $15 i wouldn't buy it.

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

if they adapt to the indoctrination theory they don't even need to scrap the current ending; just release a "directors cut" DLC which kicks in after shepard picks one of the three endings and just before the credits rolls and then whatever happens after that can lead into the normandy crash properly so it makes sense..

[Marta Rio II]

Don't forget the Prince of Persia EPILOGUE DLC.  It's actually friggin' called "Epilogue".  (Nobody remembers it because not very many people cared.)

Rail against changes to the endings all you want, but don't say it's unprecedented.

Modifié par Marta Rio II, 16 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[DraCZeQQ]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

Fallout 3, one of the greatest RPG's this generation, 

Stopped reading right there ... 

[TFulls]

Bobrzy wrote...

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

Fallout 3, one of the greatest RPG's this generation

AHAHAH, i'm not sure what is funnier - calling Fallout 3 an RPG, or using word "greatest" in the same sentence.

Anyway - DLC can always fix the ending. Problem is, if DLC will cost ANYTHING (even 1 BioWare point) it will be one of the most evil moves in the history of video gaming industry. We were promised a satisfactory epilogue, that will give us a sense of closure to the story, i know i payed money WITH THAT IN MIND, and for now - i have not recieved it. And forcing me to pay additional money for it, would be disgusting.

Autistic people everywhere these days 

[Nelzeben]

The problem is that radiation poisoning can be hand-waved away pretty easily. A random space god appearance and Mass Relays blowing up is going to be much harder to fix/explain/improve.

Besides, I think the main complaint with Fallout 3 was that you couldn't keep playing once you'd finished the main campaign. I could be wrong about that, however.

[AlexXIV]

Bethesda cares about their fans.

[AlexXIV]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

Fallout 3, one of the greatest RPG's this generation, 

Stopped reading right there ... 

I liked FO3 alot. Ok I don't think it is the greatest but I really can believe people think so. It had an atmosphere that many other RPGs lack. When you're running through the ruins of Washington with the theme song and everything is dead or mad or hiding. FONV was maybe technically better, but it didn't have this Fallout feeling like FO3 imo.

[Da Don Giovanni]

Nelzeben wrote...

The problem is that radiation poisoning can be hand-waved away pretty easily. A random space god appearance and Mass Relays blowing up is going to be much harder to fix/explain/improve.

Besides, I think the main complaint with Fallout 3 was that you couldn't keep playing once you'd finished the main campaign. I could be wrong about that, however.

No your right, New Vegas which was published and half produced by Bethesda did not apply the same logic, which was VERY disapointing, still a great game.

ME3 is a great game, but if your eating a cheeseburger and the last bite taste bad, your going to have that taste and memory for awhile and it will affect your outlook on that meal/burgers for the remainder of the day or several days.

Same applies to games, the ending has to be the best part of the game, because its the last thing you do/remember.