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[aimlessgun]

Dridengx wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Damn Bethesda is awesome. Admitting mistakes is something that I truly admire.

You will also find that admiring someone for a trait is usually because they can or have something you can or cannot possess yourself.

I find the opposite. People generally like things that are like themselves. 

[Adam2190]

Bethesda actually care about their fans and have no connection to big corrupt publishers like EA.

[MarchWaltz]

I like how todd said "we messed up, we should fix this".

[SpideyKnight]

You are going to pay for it. It is what it is. If you want it you pay, if you don't, you don't. There's nothing that can be done about it this time so pay your 10 bucks and suck it up. Just remember this when DA3, and other EA/Bio games come around.

[tjc2]

Its better to pay for it and it be actual content than if they give us something that is just chocolate sauce on top of crap.

[sargon1986]

I support this thread.

[InsaneAzrael]

I f ing love Bethesda and their approach. What can I say, they have a sense of humour and play along. They don't make the pretense of "artistic integrity" or let it get to their head. It shows. It's a game, thats it.

And they know how to right. I've been a fan of the Fallout series since before the franchise was adopted by Bethesda. The little change they made was making the story somewhat lighter. The humour actually got toned down. You know what they did then when people actually complained about the direction the humour of the franchise was going? They held onto the idea. With New Vegas they actually made a huge homage to the original humour style (Old World Blues), followed by the other branch of the argument: Oh its not serious ENOUGH. To which they released Lonesome Road. They even added a DLC for the open-world explorer types (Honest Hearts).

Of course in contrast, the Bethesda franchises have not been the most reliable from a technical or graphical slant. I honestly don't care though. The story flows at a pace you choose.

So what does this have to do with anything ME? Well, what Bioware did with ME2 was amazing for the franchise. They wrote it in an episodic style through recruitment and loyalty stories. The DLC expanded this. But at the core the followed the formula they had established. It worked. Episodic chapters per character worked. Like paragraphs in a structured essay or Scenes within an Act.

ME3 though failed it. So DLC for the ending would be one solution. Yet, you should probably anticipate that it would follow the Scene/Chapter formula. So you will be building on a bare-bones game that means you will be paying money to get access to the end of the game.

Modifié par InsaneAzrael, 31 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[Drimberly]

I dont care. I will pay for ending dlc because that is not my breaking point. Coming close though.

[Da Don Giovanni]

Adam2190 wrote...

Bethesda actually care about their fans and have no connection to big corrupt publishers like EA.

This. ^

[Greed1914]

Broken Steel is the main reason why I can't accept the "bad precedent" argument. It's been done, and is certainly not exclusive to games. Somehow, when it's us asking for something, that's blasphemy to some, but when the company alters something with DLC on it's own, that's ok. The very existence of DLC makes this request possible. They don't have to re-release the game like it was movie or a book. In fact, Bioware was willing to reprint Deception when problems were pointed out.

[Da Don Giovanni]

Greed1914 wrote...

Broken Steel is the main reason why I can't accept the "bad precedent" argument. It's been done, and is certainly not exclusive to games. Somehow, when it's us asking for something, that's blasphemy to some, but when the company alters something with DLC on it's own, that's ok. The very existence of DLC makes this request possible. They don't have to re-release the game like it was movie or a book. In fact, Bioware was willing to reprint Deception when problems were pointed out.

Preach it brother, AMEN.

[Controller_B]

Depending on what you do, Fallout 3's ending ranges from meh to bad to the point of being a parody. Anyone that played as a good guy and brought a radiation immune follower along knows what I mean.

I imagine the internal dialogue of most gamers went like this:

"What the hell do you mean this is my destiny, Fawkes? That doesn't even make sense. I should have left you at the Enclave base"


So let's not say Bethesda's mistake was simply ending the game...

[Da Don Giovanni]

Controller_B wrote...

Depending on what you do, Fallout 3's ending ranges from meh to bad to the point of being a parody. Anyone that played as a good guy and brought a radiation immune follower along knows what I mean.

I imagine the internal dialogue of most gamers went like this:

"What the hell do you mean this is my destiny, Fawkes? That doesn't even make sense. I should have left you at the Enclave base"


So let's not say Bethesda's mistake was simply ending the game...

BioWare should call Bethesda and get a pen and paper...

They should also record the conversation incase they forgot how to write...

[Maggot4ever]

I see this ONE example is still being run into the ground.

[Quietness]

Maggot4ever wrote...

I see this ONE example is still being run into the ground.

Infamous 2

Fans including the infamous IGN editor outcried over the change to the main protagonist art change. Company weighs the opinion of the fans and decides to go back to the original look of the character.

admittedly there are not lots of examples, but the point is that there is a lot of people saying "its a dangerous precedent" when the precedent has already been set.

[Da Don Giovanni]

Maggot4ever wrote...

I see this ONE example is still being run into the ground.

You mean that in a good way? Cause the link in the OP shows several games that changed their ending.

[aimlessgun]

Quietness wrote...

Maggot4ever wrote...

I see this ONE example is still being run into the ground.

Infamous 2

Fans including the infamous IGN editor outcried over the change to the main protagonist art change. Company weighs the opinion of the fans and decides to go back to the original look of the character.

admittedly there are not lots of examples, but the point is that there is a lot of people saying "its a dangerous precedent" when the precedent has already been set.

I actually don't think it sets any precedents. Each case should be judged on its individual merits. You can't say its ok for fans to demand change to every game, just like you can't say it's ok for fans to demand change to no games. 

And I think this case has a lot of merits. 

[Controller_B]

To me it's all abstract nonsense anyways. The reality is that Bioware is going to attempt to sell you DLC that de facto retcons the series. They pretty much say just that in their last message to the gamer after the credits. It would be the equivalent of Stephen King trying to sell you "The Stand: The Lost Chapters" while preaching that his books are sacred works of art.

[Quietness]

aimlessgun wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Maggot4ever wrote...

I see this ONE example is still being run into the ground.

Infamous 2

Fans including the infamous IGN editor outcried over the change to the main protagonist art change. Company weighs the opinion of the fans and decides to go back to the original look of the character.

admittedly there are not lots of examples, but the point is that there is a lot of people saying "its a dangerous precedent" when the precedent has already been set.

I actually don't think it sets any precedents. Each case should be judged on its individual merits. You can't say its ok for fans to demand change to every game, just like you can't say it's ok for fans to demand change to no games. 

And I think this case has a lot of merits. 

Oh im not disagree'ing .. well completely. I think this is one of those 1 in a million cases. Bioware has built a massively loyal fanbase. I have trouble remembering an outcry this loud and long in regards to a very focused point in the game.

[Devils-DIVISION]

It's always a sure sign of intellectual honesty when someone recognises and admits to their faults.

[Seryndras]

Maggot4ever wrote...

I see this ONE example is still being run into the ground.

Well, I think that shows that the entire "precedent" argument is kinda dumb. Apparently, there was not much need for change outcries of this scale so often in the past, huh...

[Da Don Giovanni]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

They could do something where Shepard tracks down and rescues the crew/squad from the crashed Normandy and finds them all bat**** crazy from eatting fruit similar to Jacob's dad. Then Shepard makes them all his/her slaves. The End.

I LIKE IT!

[WhiteKnyght]

Mass Effect uses a different game engine than Fallout.

You cant compare one engine's capabilities to another.

[malra]

this deserves a bump for exposure.

[Da Don Giovanni]

malra wrote...

this deserves a bump for exposure.

Bumptacular.