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[Rafe34]

Foggle wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

But to say Hale is boring and Meer is not is simply not possible. Hale uses far more emotion in her lines than Meer. I could see someone not liking it because they thought Hale was trying to force something, but to say she sounds bored is just... silly.

I certainly agree with you that calling either of them "boring" is silly, except for perhaps ME 1 Meer... and that's still really pushing it. I love Hale's performance, and I think it fits Commander Shepard exceptionally well. It's one of my favorite things about this series. But Meer is also excellent in both ME 2 and 3, and at worst decent in 1.

I think they're both fantastic. I'm just saying, I think the argument that Hale sounds boring holds no water, since she's more emotional than Meer.

Maybe people don't like their hero to have emotion in most of their lines, and they think it sounds forced. That's an opinion, but it's one I can see how someone can hold. 

To say she sounds boring, and thus they prefer MaleShep doesn't make sense, because MaleShep is far more stoic. 

[angryjon]

this thread right here is why they shouldn't make a mass effect movie.... femsheps be wildin'....

[Myrmedus]

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

"I've had enough of your disingenuous accusations!". Seriously though i'm insulted by this accusation. I am a man, and my wife (soon to be ex unfortuanately) is in the military. The military does not all of a sudden deepen your voice  your voice. My wife, and every other woman i've known in the military, acts and sounds like any normal person.

Like another poster said, you can have a badass voice without it sounding voice. Aria is a perfect example of a strong, intimidating female that isn't forced.

Again, this is entirely opinion.  Hale does NOT sound like she's forcing her voice down low to me - and I've always felt Aria was... well, she sounds like a woman trying to MAKE herself sound like she's tough and competent.  I always get the feeling that she's only skin deep; like she probably wakes up in the mornings and has to spend a few minutes chanting affirmations to herself.  She's certainly a badass, but she sounds (to me) like she doesn't quite believe it, and she's trying really hard to convince not just everyone else, but herself of it.

Aren't opinions fun?

IMO this is largely down to her actual script rather than the voice acting.

[Rafe34]

Arppis wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Let me just put this out there. I know plenty of guys who think Hale's VA is better, (I'm one of them).

Is there any ladies out there who think Meer's VA is better?

Most of the responses against Hale seem to come from guys who don't expect women to be strong, or confident, but more akin to the women in the James Bond series.

Maybe my experience is different just because my mom is also career military, (who btw, loves FemShep), but it just seems to me that the guys come at the series with a pre-conceived notion of what a woman should do and/or sound like. And Hale throws them out of their comfort zone because an old-fashioned woman, she is not.

She's a career soldier, people, and possibly one with a very hard background. She's not gonna sound like a Hollywood model.

This is the problem.

Right here. These kind of posts. 

Go look up any video that has FemShep in it, look at the commments against her and the reasoning why.

I'm not saying everyone, I'm saying most of the ones I've run into.

It's the way you say that only your opinion is the right one that bothers people. Not the fact that you think Hale is better.

For me and many others it's Meer. So deal with it.

I didn't say that. I attacked the *reasoning* behind the opinion. People may prefer Meer because he's more stoic and they like it. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is to say Hale is boring.

[Akael_Bayn]

Zyrious wrote...

Maybe it's just because i've known military women in person and know they sound no different than anyone else. Just like men in the military sound no different than men out of the military. Mark Meer doesn't try to force a badass tone, he's just a man in the miltiary. Hale fails in that regard, IMO of course.

But that's my point exactly!  I've been military as well, and to me, neither one sounds fake.  If femShep had been my CO, I'd never have thought she sounded funny - and if she'd been in my knitting club (ok, if I knitted) - I wouldn't have thought she sounded funny.  She just sounds like this chick.  The fact that she's reserved with her emotions in public settings is what I compared to her military career, not her basic voice.

Modifié par Akael_Bayn, 16 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[Rafe34]

angryjon wrote...

this thread right here is why they shouldn't make a mass effect movie.... femsheps be wildin'....

No, they shouldn't make a movie because there's just so many different branching options of what you can do, you're only going to hit about 5% of people who played ME with the feeling that its *their* Shepard.

FemShep/MaleShep is just part of it.

[Odd Bet]

I personally prefer Meer, but both he and Hale are amazing.

[deadshame]

Rafe34 wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Foggle wrote...

Meer: Stoic badass
Hale: Emotive badass

It really just boils down to personal preference. They're both great.

I will certainly grant you that. If you prefer your heroes to be stoic, that's one thing.

But to say Hale is boring and Meer is not is simply not possible. Hale uses far more emotion in her lines than Meer. I could see someone not liking it because they thought Hale was trying to force something, but to say she sounds bored is just... silly.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

But in response to your comment, that is some of the problem people have with Hale. It's too forced and overdone. You do all this preaching about Hale being a soldier, but if you want to pull out generalizations like that, I might as well say that Hale's way of doing this character is godawful because soldiers should be more composed and stoic, the sort of performance that Meer puts out.

...silly. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It does not mean everyone's opinion is equally valid.

See, your opinion I can see. It makes sense. I don't agree with it, but it makes sense.

The opinion that I don't see is someone saying Hale sounds bored.

I find her BORING and I can't play the game with her. It severely impacts my ability to play the game if playing as a FemShep. Why is that so hard for you comprehend?

[Foggle]

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Maybe it's just because i've known military women in person and know they sound no different than anyone else. Just like men in the military sound no different than men out of the military. Mark Meer doesn't try to force a badass tone, he's just a man in the miltiary. Hale fails in that regard, IMO of course.

But that's my point exactly!  I've been military as well, and to me, neither one sounds fake.  If femShep had been my CO, I'd never have thought she sounded funny - and if she'd been in my knitting club (ok, if I knitted) - I wouldn't have thought she sounded funny.  She just sounds like this chick.  The fact that she's reserved with her emotions in public settings is what I compared to her military career, not her basic voice.

Isn't FemShep's voice just Hale's normal speaking tone? It doesn't sound forced at all IMO. I haven't heard her talk normally before, but you can definitely hear Commander Shepard in most of her roles.

[MPSai]

Zyrious wrote...

Maybe it's just because i've known military women in person and know they sound no different than anyone else. Just like men in the military sound no different than men out of the military. Mark Meer doesn't try to force a badass tone, he's just a man in the miltiary. Hale fails in that regard, IMO of course.

The military makes you more disciplined. It doesn't deepen your voice and drop your balls another 5 inches (or add a set).

But some women do sound like that. Hale's Shepard speaks in a business-like military tone. I don't really find her voice all that deep. In fact many women speak in a voice higher than their natural one in many situations, either purposefully or unconsciously, because it's considered more feminine. 

Meer just kind of blandly states things with a really indifferent tone. It's not even military sounding, it's just flat voiceover work. 

Modifié par MPSai, 16 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Arppis]

Rafe34 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Let me just put this out there. I know plenty of guys who think Hale's VA is better, (I'm one of them).

Is there any ladies out there who think Meer's VA is better?

Most of the responses against Hale seem to come from guys who don't expect women to be strong, or confident, but more akin to the women in the James Bond series.

Maybe my experience is different just because my mom is also career military, (who btw, loves FemShep), but it just seems to me that the guys come at the series with a pre-conceived notion of what a woman should do and/or sound like. And Hale throws them out of their comfort zone because an old-fashioned woman, she is not.

She's a career soldier, people, and possibly one with a very hard background. She's not gonna sound like a Hollywood model.

This is the problem.

Right here. These kind of posts. 

Go look up any video that has FemShep in it, look at the commments against her and the reasoning why.

I'm not saying everyone, I'm saying most of the ones I've run into.

It's the way you say that only your opinion is the right one that bothers people. Not the fact that you think Hale is better.

For me and many others it's Meer. So deal with it.

I didn't say that. I attacked the *reasoning* behind the opinion. People may prefer Meer because he's more stoic and they like it. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is to say Hale is boring.

I don't like Meer because he is more stoic, I like it because imo he sounds more "warm" than Hale does. And yeah for me she does sound bit bored. People are entitled to these opinions, because these aren't FACTS.

[Akael_Bayn]

Foggle wrote...

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Zyrious wrote...

Maybe it's just because i've known military women in person and know they sound no different than anyone else. Just like men in the military sound no different than men out of the military. Mark Meer doesn't try to force a badass tone, he's just a man in the miltiary. Hale fails in that regard, IMO of course.

But that's my point exactly!  I've been military as well, and to me, neither one sounds fake.  If femShep had been my CO, I'd never have thought she sounded funny - and if she'd been in my knitting club (ok, if I knitted) - I wouldn't have thought she sounded funny.  She just sounds like this chick.  The fact that she's reserved with her emotions in public settings is what I compared to her military career, not her basic voice.

Isn't FemShep's voice just Hale's normal speaking tone? It doesn't sound forced at all IMO. I haven't heard her talk normally before, but you can definitely hear Commander Shepard in most of her roles.

Afraid I've no clue.  The only other role of hers I've heard (that I know of) is her role as Bastilla.  Also, I'm going out for coffee.  If you guys are still debating in 40 minutes, I'll look up some of her other stuff then.

Modifié par Akael_Bayn, 16 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Hale overacts at times IMO.

[Rafe34]

deadshame wrote...

I find her BORING and I can't play the game with her. It severely impacts my ability to play the game if playing as a FemShep. Why is that so hard for you comprehend?

You are saying that MaleShep sounds less boring as FemShep. Since FemShep has far more emotion in her voice, and MaleShep is more stoic, this doesn't make sense.

It's not the fact you like Meer better, it's the reasoning that I just simply cannot comprehend.

Modifié par Rafe34, 16 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Denora]

Originally I had difficulty with Male Shep as it sounded so plain and neutral in my opinion. Fem Shep was perfect. Jennifer Hale has been one of my favorite VOs for a long time, Mass Effect locked her in that position.

Since Mass Effect 1 however, Mark Meer has defiantly improved greatly an in ME3 I'd say he's almost as good as Jennifer. I generally play as Male Shep in my main playthroughs (I tend to try ALL possibilities of playthroughs), but Fem Shep is, in my opinion, the best Voice acting I've ever heard in a video game.

[Prism]

In ME2 I thought that Hale did the trivial dialogue better, where as Meer had better punch in tense moments. As far as ME3 is concerned, as much as I appreciate Jennifer Hale's work, I'll go with the much improved Mark Meer.

Modifié par Prismvg, 16 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[Rafe34]

Arppis wrote...

I don't like Meer because he is more stoic, I like it because imo he sounds more "warm" than Hale does. And yeah for me she does sound bit bored. People are entitled to these opinions, because these aren't FACTS.

Can you link me a VA segment where you think Meer sounds more warm than Hale?

[Hanabii]

IF they make a ME movie it should be like the novels, a separate story away from Shepard. Maybe with Cameos of the non-human crew using their original Voice Actors.

In NO way should they try to translate the games to movies. Make a separate story designed to be a movie. There is a vastly different way to write scripts for Books, Games, Movies and TV series'.

That said I prefer Hale's Voice Acting. I'm a guy and I've been longing for a girl character that doesn't dress like a bimbo strutting around in heels and armor that shows off boobies for a long time.

Hale doesn't sound like a pretty woman who knows her looks, she sounds like a soldier who's special ability is putting boot up hindquarters. Her flirting, her human and vulnerable side sounds like that same soldier facing emotions they normally keep buried. She doesn't sound like a Juliette in her romances, she sounds like the same soldier she is playing.

[Myrmedus]

Rafe34 wrote...

angryjon wrote...

this thread right here is why they shouldn't make a mass effect movie.... femsheps be wildin'....

No, they shouldn't make a movie because there's just so many different branching options of what you can do, you're only going to hit about 5% of people who played ME with the feeling that its *their* Shepard.

FemShep/MaleShep is just part of it.

For me that's the actual good part of it - I won't be watching a movie with the same story as my game playthrough!

[deadshame]

Rafe34 wrote...

deadshame wrote...

I find her BORING and I can't play the game with her. It severely impacts my ability to play the game if playing as a FemShep. Why is that so hard for you comprehend?

You are saying that MaleShep sounds less boring as FemShep. Since FemShep has far more emotion in her voice, and MaleShep is more stoic, this doesn't make sense.

It makes compelete sense. I, as my own person, find her boring. FemShep's voice does NOT hold my attention because I find her voice boring. It BORES me.

Once again, this is just an overly crazy FemShep fan. I'm out of here.

Modifié par deadshame, 16 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Foggle]

Hanabii wrote...

IF they make a ME movie it should be like the novels, a separate story away from Shepard. Maybe with Cameos of the non-human crew using their original Voice Actors.

Tbh, I'd be fine with a movie about Shepard if he was portrayed by Bruce Campbell.

[badgerfan20945]

Meer is great with a Renegade Shepard. Never really cared for Hale's Shepard. Her VA is ok I guess, although she was horrible in Metal Gear Solid 4.

[Rafe34]

deadshame wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

deadshame wrote...

I find her BORING and I can't play the game with her. It severely impacts my ability to play the game if playing as a FemShep. Why is that so hard for you comprehend?

You are saying that MaleShep sounds less boring as FemShep. Since FemShep has far more emotion in her voice, and MaleShep is more stoic, this doesn't make sense.

It makes compelete sense. I, as my own person, find her boring. FemShep's voice does NOT hold my attention because I find her voice boring. It BORES me.

Once again, this is just an overly crazy FemShep fan. I'm out of here.

Right. Nothing lost, since you refuse to read my posts.

An overly crazy FemShep fan, lol.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Zyrious]

badgerfan20945 wrote...

Meer is great with a Renegade Shepard. Never really cared for Hale's Shepard. Her VA is ok I guess, although she was horrible in Metal Gear Solid 4.

Renegade meer is awesome, bar none. I always play a renagon and it's always epic.

Modifié par Zyrious, 16 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Rafe34]

Myrmedus wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

angryjon wrote...

this thread right here is why they shouldn't make a mass effect movie.... femsheps be wildin'....

No, they shouldn't make a movie because there's just so many different branching options of what you can do, you're only going to hit about 5% of people who played ME with the feeling that its *their* Shepard.

FemShep/MaleShep is just part of it.

For me that's the actual good part of it - I won't be watching a movie with the same story as my game playthrough!

I suppose you could look at it like that. I just don't want a certain "canon" established, I guess.